2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Of course the U.K. is not really the place where people express their opinion in the street.

Neither do we urinate in the street. Parisian pissoires, yuk.

43 minutes ago, kingdong said:

So we have a referendum,but a majority of mps think they,'re above democracy and the wishes of their constituents,traitors.how's the economy being destroyed? Our way of life ( speaking as a resident of britain,not an ex pat) is going to be destroyed if we don,t get out.

Expats are no less British in this scenario, especially if they're still being taxed in UK.

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Expats are no less British in this scenario, especially if they're still being taxed in UK.

Many like me, also have children living and working in the UK and worry about their future.

45 minutes ago, yodsak said:

We will find out today.

Looking like Boris might do it.  Boris wants the 12th Dec, Lib's / SMP the 9th

A clean break is more than ever the only way for UK to fully rid itself of that parasitical organisation. Anything less is vassalage.

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Many like me, also have children living and working in the UK and worry about their future.

 

 

Me too, and the reason I voted Leave was a better future for them. Brexit will help provide that.

 

Their future is secure.

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Neither do we urinate in the street. Parisian pissoires, yuk.

I believe you, I am not a connoisseur.

 

In Belgium it is forbidden by law to urinate in the streets, but I remember that visitors after drinking too much Belgian beers ( much stronger than in the U.K.) were inclined to trespass the law.

13 hours ago, kingdong said:

They would if the remainers stopped bottling out of a general election

The brexit way, try and get the answer you want by asking a different question.

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

You mean Bojo's Brino "deal" falls short of the remainer's dream of staying in the EU (by about 50%)?

 

Election? Labour will need to brace the most and with head between knees, preparing for the long kiss goodnight. 

 

Right now there are no more critical issues than Brexit.

Whichever way you look at it, it's the government and parliament's responsibility to resolve the biggest folly ever inflicted on Britain. Not yours, not mine, nor the kitchen sink.

 

As far as the men in the street is concerned, they couldn't give a toss about brexit except for it to go away, as there are more important things in life that could adversely affect them. This includes most, if not all, of the posters on here, who aren't going to be rattled one way or another, except possibly to be UK taxed to pay for it.

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

The brexit way, try and get the answer you want by asking a different question.

 

 

The remainer way  -  get an answer you don't like then change the question.

29 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Expats are no less British in this scenario, especially if they're still being taxed in UK.

And yet were denied a vote in the referendum.

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The brexit way, try and get the answer you want by asking a different question.

Wot? May's 'deal' (eternal vassalage treaty) had more comebacks than Gary Glitter ????

6 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

I don't believe so.

 

Not being part of the EU is a favourable outcome as far as I am concerned and secures my daughters' inheritance.

You really need to wake up to reality. It is pure self delusion if you think that a deal with the US is not going to put standards and way of life at risk for future generations.

The leavers are so wound up in anti EU sentiment that they see the lack of a trade deal between the EU and US as a failing on the part of the EU. The fact that the EU has protected member states from US investors using litigation to manipulate government process is not something that would ever cross their minds.

You can deny in any way you want and keep the head in the sand, but it does not change the reality

One Pandora's box has already been opened, why on earth unlock another.

Labour gradually being cornered. They will get hammered in an election.

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet were denied a vote in the referendum.

Only if they fell foul of the '15 year' rule which came close to being abolished a few weeks ago, not that this has any real relevance...

Overseas voters

Progress of the Bill

24 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

The remainer way  -  get an answer you don't like then change the question.

That's a bit rich, considering how many times Boris is changing his mind! What's happened to his Leave deal that has parliamentary approval?  We could have left already.  And if the hypocritical ERG et al had agreed to Theresa May's deal, we would have left months ago!

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet were denied a vote in the referendum.

I voted.

Brexit means brexit - whatever the cost.

 

Operation Yellowhammer is understood to have cost roughly £2billion so far.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-today-brexit-latest-deal-extension-christmas-general-election-a9173871.html?page=3

 

Thousands of Brexit 50ps stamped with Oct 31 won't become collectors items after all, as sources confirm they will be melted down

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-today-brexit-latest-deal-extension-christmas-general-election-a9173871.html?page=3

 

51 minutes ago, evadgib said:

A clean break is more than ever the only way for UK to fully rid itself of that parasitical organisation. Anything less is vassalage.

Each to his own. Of course under a US deal vassalage wouldn't come into it, obligation would only be one way.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

So why did they vote by a massive majority to enact article 50, pray tell.

 

Dissimulation.

 

 

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Each to his own. Of course under a US deal vassalage wouldn't come into it, obligation would only be one way.

As I've said before if EU had implemented reforms from the onset we might never have voted to leave.

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

A clean break is more than ever the only way for UK to fully rid itself of that parasitical organisation. Anything less is vassalage.

It is difficult to see how another GE will produce a mandate for No Deal.

The Cons will campaign on Boris Johnson agreement.

Labour on removing the No deal option.

 

 

3 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

3 hours ago, webfact said:

"We have a great new deal, and it's time for the voters to have a chance to pronounce on that deal"

I'm sure that the fact that a peoples vote is the surest and simplest way of doing that, hasn't escaped him.

 

However, in a peoples vote, his deal or remain, a no deal Brexit is'nt on the cards. A disaster for him and his backers, so it ain't going to happen.....unless he's found dead in a ditch.

But you already had your 'people's vote' with the referendum way back in 2016. Why not honour that one? No need to bring up old and less learned voters, project fear or the red bus again.

 

This latest obfuscation about lack of trust is a joke because apparently we suddenly don't trust this PM? I especially love it when Corbyn's thin, reedy and hypocritical voice proclaims that during debate. The Labour party has been sitting on the fence saying it 'may' back this or it 'could' agree to that, only for it to do nothing of the sort after Corbyn scuttles back and discusses things with Labour's inner sanctum. They want to Remain and then the following month they can see a way to support a Brexit deal (the hard Brexit off the table conundrum). For as long as I can recall, nobody really trusts politicians anyway so why is it suddenly a major issue?

 

A frequent and valid complaint during the vacuum of the past 3 years is that May was un-elected, as is Johnson. Personally, the way that a semi-secret quorum of party elders can pick and chose their leader does bother me as well. Just look at how successive years of party in-fighting has worked for the Australians. So let's have an election, a national people's vote to select and approve a government and a PM and a mandate to let them do their job which is to deliver the UK out of the EU. This is your people's vote in its very purest essence and not just a narrow focus, last-ditch toss of a life ring to the desperately doggy-paddling Remainers.

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

This is your people's vote in its very purest essence and not just a narrow focus, last-ditch toss of a life ring to the desperately doggy-paddling Remainers.

Just the opposite. A GE is a multi issue election, a people's vote is a single issue vote. Can't get purer than that.

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I especially love it when Corbyn's thin, reedy and hypocritical voice proclaims that during debate. The Labour party has been sitting on the fence saying it 'may' back this or it 'could' agree to that, only for it to do nothing of the sort after Corbyn scuttles back and discusses things with Labour's inner sanctum. They want to Remain and then the following month they can see a way to support a Brexit deal (the hard Brexit off the table conundrum).

Corbyn is one of few Brexiteers in the Labour Party. He, more or less alone, has been sitting on the fence.

 

I don't expect Corbyn to be their leader come election time in Spring.

 

Labour see supporting the brexit deal as a back door way to secure a peoples vote. (table an amendment to the bill).

 

 

2 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

 

 

Who is running UK? Is UK run by the People or the Pollies?  Are not the Pollies supposed to do what the People elect them to do? Even if they dont like it themselves. 

 

The politicians are elected on the basis of what they say they are going to do (in their Election Manifesto).

 

Not on what an opinion poll might subsequently reveal a percentage of the "people" would like them to do.

 

That is the way the UK has been run, by "Prollies", for over 300 years.

 

 

33 minutes ago, evadgib said:

As I've said before if EU had implemented reforms from the onset we might never have voted to leave.

Cameron was doing OK in illiciting concessions from the EU. I think he was expecting a close vote in the referendum but it going to remain, which would have given him more clout when negotiaitng with the EU.

 

Other PMs (notably Thatcher M.) had managed to gain massive concessions from the EU.

 

I was looking forward to the fight. Such a shame that the vote went the wrong way and we ended up fighting amongst ourselves.

 

 

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

So why did they vote by a massive majority to enact article 50, pray tell.

Please forgive them, they know not what they do. They've seen the light now though.

That's as puerile a response as you're ever gonna get.

 

I'll try again.

 

Why did the huge amount of know-it-all, EU-loving British MP's knowingly shoot themselves in the foot when they listened to the voices of their constituents and voted by a massive majority to enact article 50? Or, why have they belatedly and increasingly chosen to ignore those same voices?

 

Here's a list anyway. Pick your own quislings.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Why did the huge amount of know-it-all, EU-loving British MP's knowingly shoot themselves in the foot when they listened to the voices of their constituents and voted by a massive majority to enact article 50? Or, why have they belatedly and increasingly chosen to ignore those same voices?

I've answered tis once already but here's another "puerile" response for you.

 

The hapless fools who voted to invoke Article 50, did so in a misguided attempt to protect their own seats in the upcoming election. They have now seen the light and the majority of them are now voting in the best interests of the country and our futures.

28 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Just the opposite. A GE is a multi issue election, a people's vote is a single issue vote. Can't get purer than that.

So why not respect the result of the first one?

 

It's only pure when your side wins?

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I've answered tis once already but here's another "puerile" response for you.

 

The hapless fools who voted to invoke Article 50, did so in a misguided attempt to protect their own seats in the upcoming election. They have now seen the light and the majority of them are now voting in the best interests of the country and our futures.

Tying yourself in knots again. Just respect the vote.