Pelosi says Trump has admitted to bribery as impeachment probe intensifies

[WalkingOrders]

21 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Does anybody else but me not how many right wingers invoke the future to justify their case. Either they're full of it or they're all time travelers.

It's called having a desire for Justice to be done in the face of injustice. The facts are right in front of you. Yet you find it easier to simply attack the messenger. What part of an idiot drug addict son of VP Biden on boards around the world following US foreign policy, and getting paid mega wampum don't you understand? is there a part of that that stinks of conservative double-talk to you? Please do say specifically which part of that you think is false?

 

"Hey Dad, sorry I got booted from the NAVY for snorting COKE...Oh don't worry son were gonna get you on a Ukrainian gas board, highly lucrative, were asking Ukraine to open the pumps, you get $85K a month....give me a few months...no need for a resume"

 

Later they played the same game in China to the tune of $1.5 BILLION is this imaginary to you? 

[Tippaporn]

35 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What most people here don't seem to be getting is that even in the unlikely event that Joseph Biden committed a crime, Trump would still not have the right to extort the Ukrainian government into an investigation.

There are proper legal channels for that.   Illegally withholding aid is not one of them. Telling the President of Ukraine 8 times to contact your personal advocate is not one of them.

Keep telling yourself that, bristolboy.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

What an idiotic statement.  You know damn well that the only reason Trump is withholding witness from testifying is due to the sham aspect of the proceedings.  Were it fair he'd allow anyone to testify.  Same as he did during the Mueller investigation.  You do remember that?  Disingenuous rationale being used here.

I dont recall trump turning up to muellers office for a chat. Perhaps you could provide a link.

[Sujo]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

Keep telling yourself that, bristolboy.

Truth is foreign to trump suporters. They just cannot recognize it.

[Thaidream]

11 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

The unlikely event" So let's just break it down. Biden's son, less then one year previous is booted from a commission in the United States Naval Reserve Officer Program for testing positive for cocaine. A program Daddy had pushed for him to get into because he was too old for the program. Less then one year later, he follows Daddy to Ukraine, as US Policy is asking Ukraine to up the volume on gas production, his son joins the firm of a guy who has been giving himself oil and gas exploration and production contracts illegally. And Hunter Biden, no experience in gas&Oil, no experience in Ukraine now sits on the board and begins to collect $85,000.00 USD a month from the Poor Ukraine. When a new Ukraine prosecutor begins to investigate the firm, Daddy Joe Biden VP, goes to Ukraine and ORDERS them to fire the Prosecutor or funds will be held. Incidentally, the Obama admin gave squat to Ukraine, it was Trump who game them arms. So you read all this and have the nerve to say in the "Unlikely event" . It is literally the most egregious corruption case I have ever seen in my life. Seriously, you don't see it? All politics aside you don't see it?  In China, the case with Biden is even far more uglier. I could go into this for hours man.

If there is so much evidence, then why wouldn't Donald Trump give it to the US Justeice Department and they would conduct an investigation using all the arms of the US Government such as the FBI and CIA.  The Attorney General is a Trump appoinete.

 

 

Instead, Trunp sends his personal lawyer to wherever to conduct private business related to finding dirt on Biden. Rudy Guiliani is not even a US Government employee.

 

In addition, Trunp then disusses the case directly with the Ukranian President and asks for a favor- investigate Biden.  And by the way, remember that $400 million that the US Congress voted?  It is clear that what he wanted was an investigation formally announced by Ukraien into Biden and then the money would flow.

 

Since when does a US President go to a foreign president and ask that  person to investigate a US citizen who just happens to be running for President.  A complete violation of the US Constitution.  Whether it's impeachable or not is now up to the US Congres and ultimately the American people.

[Tippaporn]

Just now, Sujo said:

Truth is foreign to trump suporters. They just cannot recognize it.

Yeah, coming from the guy that claimed Trump asked Zelensky to investigate only Biden.  And when he got caught lying he wouldn't fess up.

 

That's rich, Sujo.

[bristolboy]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Keep telling yourself that, bristolboy.

Well clearly there's no point in telling you what should be obvious in a Presidential impeachment case: it's whether the President has committed a high crime or misdemeanour. It's not about the alleged crimes of anyone else. No President should get a pass to commit a high crime or misdemeanour because he or she suspects a crime has been committed.

And the intellectual content of your comment is pretty much par for the course.

[WalkingOrders]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Walk the talk. Show us the case in China. Your fictional opinion as disclaimer should be inclusive. 

No problem the case in China. Easier said then done

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/443637-peter-schweizer-hunter-biden-needs-to-testify-on-ukraine-china-business

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/analysis-hunter-biden-tied-to-china-firm-with-questionable-dealings I could go on, despite the CNN MSNBC bs none can dispute the facts. They only talk around them.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

What an idiotic statement.  You know damn well that the only reason Trump is withholding witness from testifying is due to the sham aspect of the proceedings.  Were it fair he'd allow anyone to testify.  Same as he did during the Mueller investigation.  You do remember that?  Disingenuous rationale being used here.

That's a lame explanation. Trump does not want them to testify because he does not want them to tell the truth under oath. Whoever controls the proceedings cannot prevent witnesses to provide any evidence. And remember that Republican members can also ask Trump-friendly questions if needed.

 

Nothing to fear, nothing to hide.

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

No problem the case in China. Easier said then done

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/443637-peter-schweizer-hunter-biden-needs-to-testify-on-ukraine-china-business

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/analysis-hunter-biden-tied-to-china-firm-with-questionable-dealings I could go on, despite the CNN MSNBC bs none can dispute the facts. They only talk around them.

Mate that was a talking point. Like your personal opinion. Show me the case. Have they been charged in China. Same as the Burisma talking point. Have the State Dept, FBI or DOJ charged the Bidens. Quick answer is no as there are simply no evidence. Talking points and self interest opinions are dime a dozen here. 

[Mavideol]

49 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

2. The so called whistleblower was coached in advance of his complaint by democrat and other operatives, in a clear case of colluding together.

and I am sure you were there when that happen and you have supporting data to support that, correct?

[WalkingOrders]

4 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

If there is so much evidence, then why wouldn't Donald Trump give it to the US Justeice Department and they would conduct an investigation using all the arms of the US Government such as the FBI and CIA.  The Attorney General is a Trump appoinete.

 

 

Instead, Trunp sends his personal lawyer to wherever to conduct private business related to finding dirt on Biden. Rudy Guiliani is not even a US Government employee.

 

In addition, Trunp then disusses the case directly with the Ukranian President and asks for a favor- investigate Biden.  And by the way, remember that $400 million that the US Congress voted?  It is clear that what he wanted was an investigation formally announced by Ukraien into Biden and then the money would flow.

 

Since when does a US President go to a foreign president and ask that  person to investigate a US citizen who just happens to be running for President.  A complete violation of the US Constitution.  Whether it's impeachable or not is now up to the US Congres and ultimately the American people.

Trump's personal lawyer is no amateur when it comes to prosecutions, and he has every right to investigate ANY WAY he wants. That is the prerogative of the President, and I would assume that at this stage the DoJ is investigating. The President can hold funds if he wants. And the Ukrainian President has stated he was not even aware of any holding of funds. Let that sink in. A US President would naturally make such a request if the former VP goes on the public record and states that he told the Ukranians point blank, "FIRE THE PROSECUTOR OR I WILL NOT RELEASE THE FUNDS" is that clear to you? One more time: FIRE THE PROSECUTOR OR I WILL NOT RELEASE THE FUNDS" - JOE BIDEN. Likewise regarding 2016, it is also public record that the DNC sent operatives to Ukraine and were requesting they work against the Trump campaign. Its all public fact now. So you probably will deny this is fact, so let me ask you? If all that I just said is true - its pretty clear is it not? Now toss in that they began an investigation on Trump in 2016 on a fake Dossier compiled by foreign agents, and used that to get warrants on US citizens....is that true? Is any of this true? Or is it all imaginary to you? This is going to be the END of the Democrat party. As in seriously over. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Trump's personal lawyer is no amateur when it comes to prosecutions, and he has every right to investigate ANY WAY he wants. That is the prerogative of the President, and I would assume that at this stage the DoJ is investigating. The President can hold funds if he wants. And the Ukrainian President has stated he was not even aware of any holding of funds. Let that sink in. A US President would naturally make such a request if the former VP goes on the public record and states that he told the Ukranians point blank, "FIRE THE PROSECUTOR OR I WILL NOT RELEASE THE FUNDS" is that clear to you? One more time: FIRE THE PROSECUTOR OR I WILL NOT RELEASE THE FUNDS" - JOE BIDEN. Likewise regarding 2016, it is also public record that the DNC sent operatives to Ukraine and were requesting they work against the Trump campaign. Its all public fact now. So you probably will deny this is fact, so let me ask you? If all that I just said is true - its pretty clear is it not? Now toss in that they began an investigation on Trump in 2016 on a fake Dossier compiled by foreign agents, and used that to get warrants on US citizens....is that true? Is any of this true? Or is it all imaginary to you? This is going to be the END of the Democrat party. As in seriously over. 

A great example of what can happen to people when they live in the 45 bubble.

[WalkingOrders]

33 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Trying to find just 1 true point in that post and its a difficult task.

 

Care to post a link from your previous assertion hunter biden got 1.5 billion from china.

 

I can help you out. He received nothing.

Well see....won't we.

[WalkingOrders]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A great example of what can happen to people when they live in the 45 bubble.

Dispute the facts jack

[bristolboy]

Just now, WalkingOrders said:

Well see....won't we.

No need to wait. That's a fact that has already been established. Curious. You invoke the future to back up your assertions even when the past already provides an answer.

[Mavideol]

51 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Bidens son wound up on boards in UKRAINE and CHINA

and please enlightened us.... is Biden's son running for president, is he up for election? NO he's not,  thus he's connections/dealings/job applications have nothing to do with anything related to Trump but Trump doing what he's doing, accusing anybody, blatantly lying with each word out of his mouth, by accusing Biden's son he's doing nothing more than trying to divert attention to something else, it's a very common practice used by the majority of politicians,  Dems or Reps all do it, but too much it's too much and sometimes by overdoing things (keep repeating the same bs over and over, show so much aggressivity) , it can come back and bite your rear

[Thainesss]

I guess were going all-in on this "bribery" talking point because Pelosi said it therefore that makes it a 'fact' according to the bootlickers in here.  

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said:

Dispute the facts jack

I don't engage with people spouting diversionary off topic conspiracy theories. The topic is about the impeachment of 45. Biden has NOTHING to do with that.

Also if you actually believe that the democratic party is over, then it shows a mentality that like so many of the 45 cult of personality is completely disengaged from reality.

So this is goodbye.

[WalkingOrders]

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

None of that regardless of its validity or not has anything to do with the bribery charges against 45.

Right if you say so...wait and see... One of us is right and one of us is wrong. See you as the facts fall out.

[Thainesss]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I don't engage with people spouting diversionary off topic conspiracy theories. The topic is about the impeachment of 45. Biden has NOTHING to do with that.

Also if you actually believe that the democratic party is over, then it shows a mentality that like so many of the 45 cult of personality is completely disengaged from reality.

So this is goodbye.

 

Yeah, let's ONLY talk about Trump. Wouldn't want the Biden's dirty laundry and corruption to get hung out for the world to see or anything.

[WalkingOrders]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

No need to wait. That's a fact that has already been established. Curious. You invoke the future to back up your assertions even when the past already provides an answer.

I laid out plenty of facts that are already established - ie the past tense. Go back and read them.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

I guess were going all-in on this "bribery" talking point because Pelosi said it therefore that makes it a 'fact' according to the bootlickers in here.  

This might explain it to you. Yes, it's powerful. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/impeachment-watch-november-14/index.html

 

Quote

 

(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi argued on Thursday that President Donald Trump's actions in the Ukraine scandal constitute "bribery" and that Trump has admitted to it himself. She's the latest and most high-profile Democrat to use that word when describing Trump's conduct on the July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which Trump has called "perfect."

"What the President has admitted to and says it's perfect, I've said it's perfectly wrong.

 

 

[Skallywag]

8 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

 Anyone who thinks that Trump will be Impeached by these crooked clowns is nuts!  I'll take All bets!

So military vets with 20+ years government service, ambassadors and foreign diplomats with 20+ years experience are the crooked clowns?  

 

You sure it isn't the one guy with no civil service or military service who happens to be the POTUS?

 

Careful there with the "bets".  Got your VPN on?  Gambling is illegal in Thailand  

[WalkingOrders]

9 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and please enlightened us.... is Biden's son running for president, is he up for election? NO he's not,  thus he's connections/dealings/job applications have nothing to do with anything related to Trump but Trump doing what he's doing, accusing anybody, blatantly lying with each word out of his mouth, by accusing Biden's son he's doing nothing more than trying to divert attention to something else, it's a very common practice used by the majority of politicians,  Dems or Reps all do it, but too much it's too much and sometimes by overdoing things (keep repeating the same bs over and over, show so much aggressivity) , it can come back and bite your rear

Golly, so the topic of Biden comes up in this phone call with the Ukrainian President and that isn't what this is about? The fact that the Democrat National Committee had operatives in UKraine in 2016 purposefully asking Ukraine to interfere in US politics, and also interfered in Ukraine politics which was - the subject of the call - is not what this about either? Hmmm OK so its just about Trump asking about these things so he is a bad guy? But it can't possibly be about the subject of the call? So this doesn't seem like a shady attempt to run cover for the real scandals? That is something that can't be seen by you? Because this can't possibly be about Joe Biden and his son, and can't possibly be about the Democrat national committee running operatives to Ukraine? Right OK if you say so. Wait and see. 

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Dispute the facts jack

Those 'facts' have been debunked time and time again.

On top of that, it is off topic. 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

This is following on what has been an attempt since 2016 to remove the President - obvious to all except someone who has been in a coma. As for what caused this, 1. The whistleblower law does not apply to the President. Read it. 2. The so called whistleblower was coached in advance of his complaint by democrat and other operatives, in a clear case of colluding together. 3. Even so, Nothing the President did is against the law, he has every right to ask that the Gov of Ukraine look into something that has dropped into the public record. 4. The President also sets foreign policy and he can certainly ask a Gov to look into something and insure corruption is not taking place regarding US money. Its done all the time with virtually ALL US foreign policy - again unless you have been in a coma your entire life. 5. Regarding putting the phone call into secure storage. It is not a crime to store a phone call in a more private GOVERNMENT location. Especially in the face of leaking. 6. The honorable thing for disgruntled non-elected bureaucrats to do is resign. If they are unhappy with policy that is the usual course of action. To remain and attempt to subvert the policy of the President is wrongful behavior and is against the law. That is what this whistleblower is. 7. It is not criminal for the President to use channels other then the State Dept. Often in US history this has happened. 8. The President is acting within his right to set policy as defined by the US constitution.  Finally,  you are looking at, right in front of your face , the fact that the former VP Bidens son wound up on boards in UKRAINE and CHINA (in China to the tune of 1.5 BILLION dollars) and profited from MONEY that was sent direct to his account in exchange for U.S. Policy. The President of the USA would like to know what's up.  AS I said previously, if you are unhappy, I am open to all bets. Sick to death of this. In my life (over 60) I have never seen a political party behave so ruthless. This is s party that accused a Supreme Court nominee of being a gang rapist. They did that in front of his family. No evidence. They don't care. They accused the POTUS of being a Russian spy and stooge, No evidence. They don't care. They accused the POTUS of having Prostitutes <deleted> on a bed used by the former President and 1st lady in a hotel. No evidence. They don't care. I have never seen anything like this. A sick bunch, and they are going to all get whats coming to them, and then the USA will be back on a normal track. You will see. And when you do I will come back here and post! I hate posting politics here, but I can't seem to get away from it. 

I will try and break this down into a few sentences for those who cannot be interested in reading line upon line of garbage.......

 

If the house finds that trump should be impeached on the Ukraine or other "misdemeanours", irrespective of his other failings of theft, lying to the public and Congress and so on, then the recommendation for impeachment will go to the Senate.

 

Because the Senate has a Republican majority and these folk do not want to get offside with this scumbag, mainly because they want to keep their jobs and because they are looking after their own interests, irrespective of what is in the best interests of the country, they will not allow impeachment to proceed.

 

There you go, and this from someone who is not involved with American politics, but who holds in high esteem the values of; honesty, truth, integrity, doing what is right by people, looking after others' interests and following the laws of the land..........so you can see why I'm not a trump supporter!

[WalkingOrders]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This might explain it to you. Yes, it's powerful. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/impeachment-watch-november-14/index.html

 

 

Gosh maybe someone should ask the Ukrainian President how he see's it, and ask the Ukrainian Prosecutor why he was fired. Oh I'm sorry they have asked them. He didn't even know any funds were being held up, and the Prosecutor said he was fired over Biden and he said so under oath. And Nancy Pelosi is not God her pronouncements carry no weight, she also accused the President of being a Russian operative, remember? You forgot? You believe her? Despite the Mueller report right? 

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Trump's personal lawyer is no amateur when it comes to prosecutions, and he has every right to investigate ANY WAY he wants. That is the prerogative of the President, and I would assume that at this stage the DoJ is investigating. The President can hold funds if he wants. And the Ukrainian President has stated he was not even aware of any holding of funds. Let that sink in. A US President would naturally make such a request if the former VP goes on the public record and states that he told the Ukranians point blank, "FIRE THE PROSECUTOR OR I WILL NOT RELEASE THE FUNDS" is that clear to you? One more time: FIRE THE PROSECUTOR OR I WILL NOT RELEASE THE FUNDS" - JOE BIDEN. Likewise regarding 2016, it is also public record that the DNC sent operatives to Ukraine and were requesting they work against the Trump campaign. Its all public fact now. So you probably will deny this is fact, so let me ask you? If all that I just said is true - its pretty clear is it not? Now toss in that they began an investigation on Trump in 2016 on a fake Dossier compiled by foreign agents, and used that to get warrants on US citizens....is that true? Is any of this true? Or is it all imaginary to you? This is going to be the END of the Democrat party. As in seriously over. 

No, the President doesn't get to do whatever he wants. He is bound by laws. And he doesn't get to use a party who specifically said, as Giuliani did. that he was acting to defend the president as his personal attorney.

And your comment about withholding the funds is utterly wrong.  

"At a July 26 meeting, the day following Trump's phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Cooper said that "it was stated very clearly" that the interruption of aid was related to Trump's desire for a corruption investigation, and that "deputies began to raise concerns about how this could be done in a legal fashion."

There were "only two legally available options" to freeze the aid, she testified: the Department of Defense needed to complete "a reprogramming action," or Trump had to submit a rescission notice to Congress. In either case, congressional notification is necessary, which "did not occur."

https://reason.com/2019/11/11/pentagon-official-laura-cooper-says-donald-trump-withholding-

ukraine-aid-may-have-been-unlawful/

And your tedious repetition of the fact that Joe Biden threatened to withhold funds if the prosecutor wasnt' fired,ignores the fact that not only was the official United States policy, but also the EU, and the IMF. It was also in line with what the Ukrainian Parliament wanted. And has been shown time and time again., nobody in a position to know backs up the Shokin's claim that he was investigating Burisma when he was dismissed.

As for the conspiracy theories about the democrats involvement in the Ukraine, they stem from the dubious allegations of a junior Ukrainian diplomat, Andriy Telizhenko.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/ukraine-whistleblower-politico-story-dnc-telizhenko

And no, it wasn't the Steele report that got the ball rolling. It was a report by an Australian diplomat, Alexander Downer, on what he was told by George Papadopoulos , that started the investigation.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-durham-interviewed-australian-diplomat-whose-tip-prompted-trump-russia-investigation

 

Apart from these minor points, your command of the facts is nearly perfect.

 

 

[Skallywag]

3 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Golly, so the topic of Biden comes up in this phone call with the Ukrainian President and that isn't what this is about? ........Because this can't possibly be about Joe Biden and his son, and can't possibly be about the Democrat national committee running operatives to Ukraine? Right OK if you say so. Wait and see. 

Read the articles of impeachment.  It is about withholding promised military aid to the Ukraine. 

Anti- tank missiles to stave of Russian forces has nothing to do with voter corruption or the DNC.