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[Rimmer]

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[torturedsole]

6 hours ago, Alex25 said:

It's the regular folks who'll pay the real price - and a steep one it will be. 

That's the important part, the poor locals trying to eke out a living.  

[metempsychotic]

33 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

So if they built a wake park in Pattaya then a couple of hundred millennials would

rescue the town. By the way you can get a proper massage in Pattaya, good food and

sunsets are available. I can't defend the beaches and have no idea what standard of

hiking would be acceptable to your acquaintances.

 

When did you last visit Pattaya? I just googled vegan friendly restaurant Pattaya

and 25 plus entries appeared, many do seem to be Indian.

 

I must admit I do enjoy visiting Pattaya for a week or so, yes I like the bar scene but 

go with my wife (who isn't hi-so!!!) There is plenty to see and do if mongering isn't your

thing, but I like the chaos which contrasts wildly to the calm of rural Ubon.

 

There is a wakepark in Pattaya. A good one, but few want to visit it because it's in Pattaya. 

 

 

[Skallywag]

1 minute ago, torturedsole said:

That's the important part, the poor locals trying to eke out a living.  

Pattayas problem is that even though tour buses abound, the old shop owners and bars are trying to eke out their living selling the same <deleted> they have been selling tourists for the last 20 years.  

Market is so oversaturated with thai trinkets and t-shirts. Bars have not refurbished for 20 years.

Many bar girls same, not "replaced" in 20 years with younger models...5555

Times have changed, and many vendors just will not or cannot face the fact and move on or change with it

[jastheace]

12 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I know of a guy who got pulled over on his bike and everything was in order and the cop fined him for wearing a black helmet, Farang not allowed to wear black helmet

you sure ? that was an april fools joke in the local newspaper, along with connect 4 being banned. quite a long time ago, 10 yrs +. 

[Ron jeremy]

5 hours ago, overherebc said:

A couple of friends who 'used to' run small bars/restaurants in Vietnam are now back in Thailand. The days of easy visas and WP's to run those kind of places they say have almost disappeared.

It can still be done but it's no longer as inexpensive, simple and easy as before.

Several people I spoke  with who used to run businesses in Thailand have now relocated to Vietnam. One woman had 3 restaurants in ko phanghan , the trouble hiring foreign staff to run her busines, lack of customers etc made it difficult. She is out of business. Another family from Italy , relocated their restaurant stating it is so much easier in Vietnam as they can actually work and run things themselves.hiring locally.

and not having to hire a migrant workforce from Laos, Myanmar, Cambodia etc. Both stated it was much easier in Vietnam. 

The vietnam government has recently relaxed their policy on foreign businesses , companies etc. 

People who are nvestors, or are employed by investors, can now have their visas changed without leaving the country.

family members also have this privilege .

things are changing for the better, not going backwards like Thailand has, making it very hard .

but I do hear pattaya , with the new Indian demographic is the go to place to get a great Indian curry!

enjoy!

[elliss]

On 11/29/2019 at 3:35 PM, kingofthemountain said:

The answer is yes

because honestly Pattaya doesn't have actualy a lot more to offer

 

      I met my future ex-wife in Patty , now we live in Essan.

        She not really bar girl type ....

 

[Rimmer]

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[overherebc]

21 minutes ago, Ron jeremy said:

Several people I spoke  with who used to run businesses in Thailand have now relocated to Vietnam. One woman had 3 restaurants in ko phanghan , the trouble hiring foreign staff to run her busines, lack of customers etc made it difficult. She is out of business. Another family from Italy , relocated their restaurant stating it is so much easier in Vietnam as they can actually work and run things themselves.hiring locally.

and not having to hire a migrant workforce from Laos, Myanmar, Cambodia etc. Both stated it was much easier in Vietnam. 

The vietnam government has recently relaxed their policy on foreign businesses , companies etc. 

People who are nvestors, or are employed by investors, can now have their visas changed without leaving the country.

family members also have this privilege .

things are changing for the better, not going backwards like Thailand has, making it very hard .

but I do hear pattaya , with the new Indian demographic is the go to place to get a great Indian curry!

enjoy!

???????? If I want a good curry I make it myself to be honest.

Pattaya is a 40/50 minute drive away and for me it consists of Foodland and a couple of other places to buy stuff for cooking.

Last time I saw beach road must have been 5 or 6 years ago and that was from inside the car.

We go to Vietnam every two or three months and most of the places we go to at night have families from all over Europe sitting have a meal etc, Pattaya I know only from what I read on here.

I can accept the fact that it's very likely the guys who told me it was more difficult now were maybe trying to run bars/places as they did previously in Thailand and that doesn't work there anymore.

Re' Thailand, does anyone really know where it's going??

Anyway, my Rogan Josh is fantastic ???? ask any of my two friends.

????????

 

[SteveK]

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Anyway, my Rogan Josh is fantastic ???? ask any of my two friends.

????????

 

Any chance you could post your Rogan Josh recipe on here in the cooking section?

[kingofthemountain]

4 hours ago, Ron jeremy said:

but I do hear pattaya , with the new Indian demographic is the go to place to get a great Indian curry!

enjoy!

Yes enjoy the diarrhea

most of the indian restaurants are empty 

hardly seen one or two customers inside

so the curry dish wait your visit since few months or more in the fridge

[kingofthemountain]

3 hours ago, elliss said:

 

      I met my future ex-wife in Patty , now we live in Essan.

        She not really bar girl type ....

 

Nice

most of the people living in Pattaya are not in the bar scene 

so i am not surprised at all. But it wasn't the question.

The question was ''what Pattaya has actually to offer to the tourists?''

And you, you was in Pattaya for the temples or for the beaches?

i mean seriously....

Edited November 30, 2019 by kingofthemountain

[chrisandsu]

7 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

Nice

most of the people living in Pattaya are not in the bar scene 

so i am not surprised at all. But it wasn't the question.

The question was ''what Pattaya has actually to offer to the tourists?''

And you, you was in Pattaya for the temples or for the beaches?

i mean seriously....

The elephant sanctuary (may or may not be the ones hanging from the poles these days)

[gamesgplayemail]

On 11/29/2019 at 12:38 PM, darksidedog said:

You have to say that the authorities have brought this upon themselves. In their desperation to save face and stop anything the slightest bit smutty from going on in town, they destroyed exactly what so many people visited for. People wanting a fun week or two away came here because that was what was on offer, and they didn't give a damn for temples and nature beauty spots, a point obviously missed by the folks that have killed the place.

I am sure the average bar or hotel owner would far prefer it to go back to how it was, rather than go broke in a "family friendly" but empty resort.

 

I ❤️ you

 

 

[Sydebolle]

The writing was on the wall for years .............

The absolute skimming off by Thais, whatever, whenever from whoever - is one thing.

The official Thailand - in its nepotism - employing poorly-educated idiots who, after a minimum of 12 years of "school" still don't manage basics in mathematics, general knowledge and at least one foreign language fluently. Take taxis, the touts and all those tourist sites, the commission-driven tour guides and the general inability to even try to understand English. 

Thailand's finest ransacking tourists at random which, if the slightest chance arises, results in extorting money of South American character and proportions. 

The immigration with its countless traps and pit holes in having more visa types and respective interpretations being individually applied by the officer in charge.

• their website is mostly in Thai, the "download" (of forms) is dead like most of the rest of it. Individual websites of border provinces are mostly in Thai only, outdated and contradictory. 
• endess queues, wasting hours at times, at DMK and BKK prove that the entire system is totally antiquated and outdated.
• the finger-reading requires all TEN fingers; nobody ever clean-swipes those readers (except me with refreshment towels to avoid the left-over manure from the guy in front of me). 
• the immigration with its absolute ridiculous avalanche of paper which nobody reads.
   

As an example; how many longer-term winter tourists would like to rent a car and roam neighbouring countries too?  
Actually Mission Impossible. First comes the immigration and countless visa types, stamps and contradictory rules; closely followed by other goverment agencies: 

• the most pristine example of idiocy is when you cross the border with your own car (TM stands for "immigration form").
  • TM2 (in duplicate) being an "information on conveyance" (a4-sized),
  • TM3 "passenger list" (a4-sized),  
  • TM4 "crew list" (a4-sized),
  • TM6 (arrival/departure card); officially abolished due to inability of storing them yet still mandatory

Vehicles need an "international travel permit", issued by the Department of Land Transport (Mondays to Fridays) with piles of photocopies of owner and vehicle, queues and ensure that you only sign with the cheap blue ball pen of the DLT; any other pen or colour = back to Square One! Ah, and this procedure is valid only for Laos!

Cambodian cars can enter Thailand, not so Thai cars into Cambodia - legally speaking. Burma/Myanmar is the same thing; no issue - strange enough - is Malaysia which might have to do with the more aggressive style of the Southerners.
On leaving Thailand with your Thai-plated and Thai-taxed vehicle, you sign a "temporary IMPORT form" in duplicate when EXPORTing your car and consent to a fine of B 1000/day if you stay out of Thailand for more than 30 days. 

Another relict from the stonehenge cave laws (a result of the Vietnam war in the seventies) is the TM30, to be adhered to and completed by the landlord. In most cases the Thai landlord refuses this and hence creates another hopeless cut-de-sac for the visitors. Some condominium owners place notifications "no rent to alien" as they could not be bothered with this procedure. 
Longer-term tourists who would like to spend the winter here (which takes more than 30 days) are almost unable to get a correct visa which would allow them to spend their money in Thailand.
The 90 days regulation, employing thousands of officers just to breathe down the aliens necks and make sure that they get the message = Khon Thai is in charge! 

 

• The Bank of Thailand, in its wisdom, officially declaring being unable to stem the "unexplainable"  appreciation of the Thai Baht.
• The highway robbery import duties on food and drinks from outside Thailand (which some of the tourists would like to enjoy during their holidays but refrain so because of the outrageous pricing of i.e. cheese or wines).
• The endless unjustified increase of pricing in Thai Baht without any justification (better product etc.) and point-blank cheating literally everywhere. Here the medical tourism springs to mind! 

Want to solve the problem, which is most likely far too late anyhow: 

• stop calling visitors "Khaek" (a degrading title for darker skinned, i.e. Southasians) or "alien" for anything non-Thai.
• stop getting brainwashed by all those ridiculous government statements of 20, 30 and 40 million tourists - not the number but the spending per capita counts.
  • The latest government hat trick was to give Thais, visiting another province, a voucher for Baht 1'000 (i.e. taxpayer's money) to be spent in government-pre-assigned shops.
    Most went for cross-provincial (day) trips which now count as tourism. Factually Thais arranged mini-vans from Udon to Nong Khai so the Udonese could get the whatever-they-gave you in Nong Khai, while the Nong Khainese did the opposite in Udon! 
• Teach the young generation English - by stopping sound-tracking alien cartoons on Boomerang and Cartoon Network which will ensure that each and every Thai child watching TV will be able to speak English and/or Japanese when it is ten years old. 

Be grateful for quality tourism; take an example how the Myanmarese or Balinese welcome and pamper their quality tourists; correct, polite and money-making. 

You ask me - Thailand's tourism industry is doomed. 

My closing comment would be that "while the tourism ship is sinking, the government band keeps on playing funny Thai tunes on the main deck!" 

[Melbun]

14 hours ago, potless said:

Not true.

Whats Wrong with sex?

What's wrong with sex ??

It's dirty and unnatural, to think a farang is able to secure a young lady for companionship, is absolutely abhorrent  ????

[Melbun]

5 hours ago, torturedsole said:

Would you be interested in my fairy cakes recipe?

No, we should ask Josh Rogan for his recipe of Rogan Josh.

Edited November 30, 2019 by Melbun

[Melbun]

7 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

The writing was on the wall for years .............

The absolute skimming off by Thais, whatever, whenever from whoever - is one thing.

The official Thailand - in its nepotism - employing poorly-educated idiots who, after a minimum of 12 years of "school" still don't manage basics in mathematics, general knowledge and at least one foreign language fluently. Take taxis, the touts and all those tourist sites, the commission-driven tour guides and the general inability to even try to understand English. 

Thailand's finest ransacking tourists at random which, if the slightest chance arises, results in extorting money of South American character and proportions. 

The immigration with its countless traps and pit holes in having more visa types and respective interpretations being individually applied by the officer in charge.

• their website is mostly in Thai, the "download" (of forms) is dead like most of the rest of it. Individual websites of border provinces are mostly in Thai only, outdated and contradictory. 
• endess queues, wasting hours at times, at DMK and BKK prove that the entire system is totally antiquated and outdated.
• the finger-reading requires all TEN fingers; nobody ever clean-swipes those readers (except me with refreshment towels to avoid the left-over manure from the guy in front of me). 
• the immigration with its absolute ridiculous avalanche of paper which nobody reads.
   

As an example; how many longer-term winter tourists would like to rent a car and roam neighbouring countries too?  
Actually Mission Impossible. First comes the immigration and countless visa types, stamps and contradictory rules; closely followed by other goverment agencies: 

• the most pristine example of idiocy is when you cross the border with your own car (TM stands for "immigration form").
  • TM2 (in duplicate) being an "information on conveyance" (a4-sized),
  • TM3 "passenger list" (a4-sized),  
  • TM4 "crew list" (a4-sized),
  • TM6 (arrival/departure card); officially abolished due to inability of storing them yet still mandatory

Vehicles need an "international travel permit", issued by the Department of Land Transport (Mondays to Fridays) with piles of photocopies of owner and vehicle, queues and ensure that you only sign with the cheap blue ball pen of the DLT; any other pen or colour = back to Square One! Ah, and this procedure is valid only for Laos!

Cambodian cars can enter Thailand, not so Thai cars into Cambodia - legally speaking. Burma/Myanmar is the same thing; no issue - strange enough - is Malaysia which might have to do with the more aggressive style of the Southerners.
On leaving Thailand with your Thai-plated and Thai-taxed vehicle, you sign a "temporary IMPORT form" in duplicate when EXPORTing your car and consent to a fine of B 1000/day if you stay out of Thailand for more than 30 days. 

Another relict from the stonehenge cave laws (a result of the Vietnam war in the seventies) is the TM30, to be adhered to and completed by the landlord. In most cases the Thai landlord refuses this and hence creates another hopeless cut-de-sac for the visitors. Some condominium owners place notifications "no rent to alien" as they could not be bothered with this procedure. 
Longer-term tourists who would like to spend the winter here (which takes more than 30 days) are almost unable to get a correct visa which would allow them to spend their money in Thailand.
The 90 days regulation, employing thousands of officers just to breathe down the aliens necks and make sure that they get the message = Khon Thai is in charge! 

 

• The Bank of Thailand, in its wisdom, officially declaring being unable to stem the "unexplainable"  appreciation of the Thai Baht.
• The highway robbery import duties on food and drinks from outside Thailand (which some of the tourists would like to enjoy during their holidays but refrain so because of the outrageous pricing of i.e. cheese or wines).
• The endless unjustified increase of pricing in Thai Baht without any justification (better product etc.) and point-blank cheating literally everywhere. Here the medical tourism springs to mind! 

Want to solve the problem, which is most likely far too late anyhow: 

• stop calling visitors "Khaek" (a degrading title for darker skinned, i.e. Southasians) or "alien" for anything non-Thai.
• stop getting brainwashed by all those ridiculous government statements of 20, 30 and 40 million tourists - not the number but the spending per capita counts.
  • The latest government hat trick was to give Thais, visiting another province, a voucher for Baht 1'000 (i.e. taxpayer's money) to be spent in government-pre-assigned shops.
    Most went for cross-provincial (day) trips which now count as tourism. Factually Thais arranged mini-vans from Udon to Nong Khai so the Udonese could get the whatever-they-gave you in Nong Khai, while the Nong Khainese did the opposite in Udon! 
• Teach the young generation English - by stopping sound-tracking alien cartoons on Boomerang and Cartoon Network which will ensure that each and every Thai child watching TV will be able to speak English and/or Japanese when it is ten years old. 

Be grateful for quality tourism; take an example how the Myanmarese or Balinese welcome and pamper their quality tourists; correct, polite and money-making. 

You ask me - Thailand's tourism industry is doomed. 

My closing comment would be that "while the tourism ship is sinking, the government band keeps on playing funny Thai tunes on the main deck!" 

Excuse me for asking - but are you the author of War & Peace ??

[jacko45k]

On 11/29/2019 at 12:41 PM, NCC1701A said:

fireworks festival going on now.

 

all my regular places on Agoda are booked.

My regular place had some rooms but the price was well up. 

[overherebc]

5 hours ago, Melbun said:

No, we should ask Josh Rogan for his recipe of Rogan Josh.

He's useless as he gets everything backwards.

[potless]

7 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

The official Thailand - in its nepotism - employing poorly-educated idiots who, after a minimum of 12 years of "school" still don't manage basics in mathematics, general knowledge and at least one foreign language fluently.

And if I may add, a fool will employ a fool because it makes his own position safer. Intelligent, well meaning and capable Thais are suffocated and thrown in the meat grinder. 

[potless]

7 hours ago, Melbun said:

What's wrong with sex ??

It's dirty and unnatural, to think a farang is able to secure a young lady for companionship, is absolutely abhorrent  ????

My girlfriend doesnt like being secured. I think I am using the wrong kind of rope. But seriously, the Pattaya "sexpat" stereotype image that some preach about has become onerous. I think that for many men, the companionship is more important than sex. The Lord said "go forth and multiply". Who are we to argue with Him.

[mngmn]

On 11/30/2019 at 4:45 AM, Destiny1990 said:

Soon enough an horrible death beat town such as Penang will be more vibrant than Pattaya!

 

People already friendlier and beer cheaper in Penang.

[DannyCarlton]

9 minutes ago, mngmn said:

People already friendlier and beer cheaper in Penang.

If you can find any beer. Stayed in Georgetown and found only 2 very small and grotty bars there. Probably the most unfriendly locals I ever came across.

[Chivas]

The acid test perhaps these days having accumulated massively high trip numbers is if you had a group of lads on their first trip apart from Go Gos where would you take them on their first night.

Memories of mine was the Best Friend complex with stunning girls absolutely screaming out (we were young as well then) maybe 15 girls a beer bar, 12 lovelies two average and a cashier. These days all but gone

Couldnt recommend Pattaya to anyone new these days sadly hence why I'm quitting with Vietnam and Philippines beckoning for better value. Pattaya is simply over.

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, Chivas said:

The acid test perhaps these days having accumulated massively high trip numbers is if you had a group of lads on their first trip apart from Go Gos where would you take them on their first night.

Memories of mine was the Best Friend complex with stunning girls absolutely screaming out (we were young as well then) maybe 15 girls a beer bar, 12 lovelies two average and a cashier. These days all but gone

Couldnt recommend Pattaya to anyone new these days sadly hence why I'm quitting with Vietnam and Philippines beckoning for better value. Pattaya is simply over.

Not IME. Was in my regular bar last night. Heaving, couldn't get a seat. Girls as you described. Real party atmosphere, owner buying drinks and had a lock in for at least 2 hours after the bar had officially closed.

 

My mate, here on holiday, met a girl in there last night, fell in love and will probably take her to Phuket on Monday.

 

Reports of Pattaya's death are greatly exaggerated!

[Chivas]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Not IME. Was in my regular bar last night. Heaving, couldn't get a seat. Girls as you described. Real party atmosphere, owner buying drinks and had a lock in for at least 2 hours after the bar had officially closed.

 

My mate, here on holiday, met a girl in there last night, fell in love and will probably take her to Phuket on Monday.

 

Reports of Pattaya's death are greatly exaggerated!

lol perhaps you're one of these "managers" in Soi 6 who claim all is well 24/7 whilst desperately seeking more monies at 12% to prop up the departees.

If you're not I apologise.

What I can tell you without fear of contradiction is that if the start of the 90s were rated 10/10 then the end of this decade in 30 days rates 2/10 and frankly 1 of those 2 points stays because weather is great year around which I enjoy.

I have as many hits from Girls today as I did back then make no mistake as hardly aged at all (some say I look younger than back then) so I'm not talking through rose tinted glasses thinking of the past.

If you've been coming close to 30 years you'll understand what I'm saying

 

[DannyCarlton]

4 minutes ago, Chivas said:

lol perhaps you're one of these "managers" in Soi 6 who claim all is well 24/7 whilst desperately seeking more monies at 12% to prop up the departees.

If you're not I apologise.

What I can tell you without fear of contradiction is that if the start of the 90s were rated 10/10 then the end of this decade in 30 days rates 2/10 and frankly 1 of those 2 points stays because weather is great year around which I enjoy.

I have as many hits from Girls today as I did back then make no mistake as hardly aged at all (some say I look younger than back then) so I'm not talking through rose tinted glasses thinking of the past.

If you've been coming close to 30 years you'll understand what I'm saying

 

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I was only trying to say that pockets of the Pattaya of old are still out there and flourishing.......if you know where to look. ????

[Pattaya46]

So this topic was about Pattaya supposedly dead.

Here is a pic (from Internet) of Pattaya Beach Road last night :

 

 

Dead? I don't think so... 

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, Pattaya46 said:

So this topic was about Pattaya supposedly dead.

Here is a pic (from Internet) of Pattaya Beach Road last night :

I was there Friday night. Exactly the same.