Ukrainian Boeing 737 with at least 170 aboard crashes in Iran

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16 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Rather than speculating, I'm just proposing that there are a lot of possibilities.  Given the state of alert at the time, I can imagine there may have been some stealthy aircraft (manned or drones) over Iran that we'd never hear about.  And there are many entities that could have benefited by blaming Iran for a shoot down.  Add the uncertainty about the identity and actual nationalities of the passengers and crew, we will probably never know for sure what happened.

 

Russians for sure

[candide]

I am quite unsure about this case. On the one hand Trump says Iranians did it, which may be a lie as usual. On the other hand, the Iranians want to keep the black box, and that suggest they may have done it.

[DannyCarlton]

50 minutes ago, candide said:

I am quite unsure about this case. On the one hand Trump says Iranians did it, which may be a lie as usual. On the other hand, the Iranians want to keep the black box, and that suggest they may have done it.

The Irtanians won't hand the Black Box over to the US. Nor will Boeing be allowed on site. Hardly surprising is it?

 

 

[webfact]

UPDATE:

 

Iran most likely downed Ukraine airliner with missiles, U.S. officials believe

By David Shepardson and Mark Hosenball

 

FILE PHOTO: Debris of a plane belonging to Ukraine International Airlines, that crashed after taking off from Iran's Imam Khomeini airport, is seen on the outskirts of Tehran, Iran January 8, 2020. Nazanin Tabatabaee/WANA (West Asia News Agency) via REUTERS/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government believes Iran accidentally shot down a Ukraine airliner that crashed in Iran, killing all 176 people aboard, three U.S. officials told Reuters on Thursday.

 

Full story: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1142541-iran-most-likely-downed-ukraine-airliner-with-missiles-us-officials-believe/

 

[wayned]

23 minutes ago, webfact said:

UPDATE:

 

Iran most likely downed Ukraine airliner with missiles, U.S. officials believe

By David Shepardson and Mark Hosenball

 

FILE PHOTO: Debris of a plane belonging to Ukraine International Airlines, that crashed after taking off from Iran's Imam Khomeini airport, is seen on the outskirts of Tehran, Iran January 8, 2020. Nazanin Tabatabaee/WANA (West Asia News Agency) via REUTERS/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government believes Iran accidentally shot down a Ukraine airliner that crashed in Iran, killing all 176 people aboard, three U.S. officials told Reuters on Thursday.

 

Full story: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1142541-iran-most-likely-downed-ukraine-airliner-with-missiles-us-officials-believe/

 

Let's spin to to say that Donald Trump as responsible for the plane being shot down.. Where would those passengers be today if he had not ordered to drone strike on Soleimani?  Most likely they would have arrived at their final destination  and not have their body parts strewn across the ground outside of Tehran!  This is the kind of chaos  that his rhetoric and actions cause.

[cyril sneer]

25 minutes ago, wayned said:

Let's spin to to say that Donald Trump as responsible for the plane being shot down.. Where would those passengers be today if he had not ordered to drone strike on Soleimani?  Most likely they would have arrived at their final destination  and not have their body parts strewn across the ground outside of Tehran!  This is the kind of chaos  that his rhetoric and actions cause.

Some of the Iranian passengers could have been future members of ISIS

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, wayned said:

Let's spin to to say that Donald Trump as responsible for the plane being shot down.. Where would those passengers be today if he had not ordered to drone strike on Soleimani?  Most likely they would have arrived at their final destination  and not have their body parts strewn across the ground outside of Tehran!  This is the kind of chaos  that his rhetoric and actions cause.

Lets just  go the whole  hog and  blame their imaginary  gods, if  he/she /it/zhe/ hadnt invented  us  we  wouldnt  have been here to do this ......so its  gods  fault

[AverageBloke]

Frankly, I feel all governments are more than capable of deceit so the likelihood of us ever knowing the truth is remote at best. It's an easy trap to feel hatred for another country but in truth, most people are just like us, everyday Joe's busy trying to look after their families and putting food on the table. 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

UPDATE:

 

Iran most likely downed Ukraine airliner with missiles, U.S. officials believe

By David Shepardson and Mark Hosenball

 

FILE PHOTO: Debris of a plane belonging to Ukraine International Airlines, that crashed after taking off from Iran's Imam Khomeini airport, is seen on the outskirts of Tehran, Iran January 8, 2020. Nazanin Tabatabaee/WANA (West Asia News Agency) via REUTERS/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government believes Iran accidentally shot down a Ukraine airliner that crashed in Iran, killing all 176 people aboard, three U.S. officials told Reuters on Thursday.

 

Full story: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1142541-iran-most-likely-downed-ukraine-airliner-with-missiles-us-officials-believe/

 

Quite telling that these are not the air investigation experts claiming this.

It could easily be correct, but the source is suspect.

[LomSak27]

1 hour ago, wayned said:

Let's spin to to say that Donald Trump as responsible for the plane being shot down.. Where would those passengers be today if he had not ordered to drone strike on Soleimani?  Most likely they would have arrived at their final destination  and not have their body parts strewn across the ground outside of Tehran!  This is the kind of chaos  that his rhetoric and actions cause.

Spinning a little too far here spin master. While I dislike POTUS intensely, trying to blame the shootdown on him is convoluted buffelepuckery of the first order.

 

It appears the Iranians thought this was a response to their missile strikes, that they had just launched. How many Iranian Canadians were on board?! Killing there on people. Sad. 

[wayned]

46 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

Spinning a little too far here spin master. While I dislike POTUS intensely, trying to blame the shootdown on him is convoluted buffelepuckery of the first order.

 

It appears the Iranians thought this was a response to their missile strikes, that they had just launched. How many Iranian Canadians were on board?! Killing there on people. Sad. 

I was only spinning it and that's wherer it stopped, collaterial damage to the Soleimani assassination.

[Cryingdick]

43 minutes ago, wayned said:

I was only spinning it and that's wherer it stopped, collaterial damage to the Soleimani assassination.

 

Actually it is collateral damage to the attempt to retaliate. When you try to kill people out of revenge you can't claim it was the wrong person as a defense. Many drive by shootings in America are like that. 

[GalaxyMan]

On 1/8/2020 at 4:25 PM, GalaxyMan said:

You couldn't pay me to board a 737. ????

Especially one flying anywhere near an Iranian anti-aircraft battery!!!

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, GalaxyMan said:

Especially one flying anywhere near an Iranian anti-aircraft battery!!!

 

The 737 is one of if not the plane with the best safety record in modern history. It pretty much takes a missile to take it down. The max on the other hand not so much. 

[Rimmer]

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[simple1]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Quite telling that these are not the air investigation experts claiming this.

It could easily be correct, but the source is suspect.

the 'Five Eyes' intelligence community have identified as an Iranian missile  strike, but at this stage a mistake by shooting down a civilian aircraft. IMO makes sense.

[RoadWarrior371]

4 hours ago, wayned said:

Let's spin to to say that Donald Trump as responsible for the plane being shot down.. Where would those passengers be today if he had not ordered to drone strike on Soleimani?  Most likely they would have arrived at their final destination  and not have their body parts strewn across the ground outside of Tehran!  This is the kind of chaos  that his rhetoric and actions cause.

 

Good job enabling others not to take responsibility for their actions.  The world needs more of that.  ????

 

Iran's stumbling and bumbling are directly responsible.  Sadly, the only victims of their sabre-rattling missile attack seem to be their own citizens and others on the plane.  They are welcome to spar with the United States, once they prove they can pull a gun from their hip without shooting themselves in the foot.  ????

 

 

 

[ivor bigun]

As i said in the beginning looking more and more like they shot the plane down themselves ,more than likely ,by accident ,that or plain stupidity by the ones who fired the missile.

[wayned]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The 737 is one of if not the plane with the best safety record in modern history. It pretty much takes a missile to take it down. The max on the other hand not so much. 

I actually crash landed one twice in the same day.  Thankfully it was in the Boeing simulator in Washington.

[Pravda]

Anyone who says a passanger plane is shot by accident needs to have their head examined. 

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Pravda said:

Anyone who says a passanger plane is shot by accident needs to have their head examined. 

So US Vincennes shot down the Iranian plane on purpose?

[rabas]

3 hours ago, wayned said:

I was only spinning it and that's wherer it stopped, collaterial damage to the Soleimani assassination.

So in the end, it's all due to 20 years of Soleimani's extreme international terrorism and the person that put him in power and supported him. Supreme leader Khamenei.

 

[Isaanbiker]

On 1/8/2020 at 12:28 PM, Crossy said:

Unverified video here ????

 

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/ukraine-international-airlines-plane-crashes-in-iran-shortly-after-takeoff/news-story/9e236d616378f3ecd958c25d330ba7e1

 

It's on fire in the air, perhaps hit by a missile? 

 

  My condolences to the deceased and a lot of strength to the families and friends. RIP. 

[Isaanbiker]

1 hour ago, wayned said:

I actually crash landed one twice in the same day.  Thankfully it was in the Boeing simulator in Washington.

I also crash landed twice on a plane carrier in the Indian ocean. Fortunately it was in a flight simulator of the US Army. 

[RideJocky]

44 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So US Vincennes shot down the Iranian plane on purpose?

Yes. As I understand it, we shot it down intentionally, after mistaking it for a fighter aircraft. 
 

Could be what happened here...

[DrTuner]

Ah an honest mistake, I hate it when that happens, cleaning up the pieces of passenger jets from my backyard after I accidentally downed them with a ground-to-air missile is a chore.

[Cryingdick]

15 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Ah an honest mistake, I hate it when that happens, cleaning up the pieces of passenger jets from my backyard after I accidentally downed them with a ground-to-air missile is a chore.

 

Yeah I agree. Attempted murder charges mixed with manslaughter and terrorism is a complete drag, It's almost like people aren't willing to forgive and forget.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Yeah I agree. Attempted murder charges mixed with manslaughter and terrorism is a complete drag, It's almost like people aren't willing to forgive and forget.

Weren't you the first one to conclude 'it must have been a missile' when the rumours surfaced that Iran was not willing to let other countries participate in the investigation.

Now it has become clear others countries including the US have been invited to participate, therefor it can't be a missile nif we follow your reasoning.

[tomazbodner]

On 1/8/2020 at 5:02 PM, rabas said:

Fully agree. The pattern could fit both. Remember, a while back a woman was sucked out a plane at altitude after a compressor blade from a failed engine went through her window. She was sitting just over or behind the wing. An engine failure can also ignite fuel tanks and cause a fire like the one seen in the video, if real.

After seeing the video of a missile flying towards the plane before it blew up (if that is genuine video), I would need to start leaning to intentional or accidental shoot-down.

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5 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

As i said in the beginning looking more and more like they shot the plane down themselves ,more than likely ,by accident ,that or plain stupidity by the ones who fired the missile.

Who could benefit of the plane shot down if it was not an mistake? I doupt any of the sides US or Iran would be have done anything stupid as that, neither would russia or Syria!  Isis? Israel? Is what comes to mind.