An 80% mask compliance rate essentially eliminated the influenza outbreak.

[Chrysaora]

Stop the nonsense propaganda that tells us we don't need to wear a mask.  Put on your mask and cover your gobhole.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30229968/

 

Abstract

Outbreaks of influenza represent an important health concern worldwide. In many cases, vaccines are only partially successful in reducing the infection rate, and respiratory protective devices (RPDs) are used as a complementary countermeasure. In devising a protection strategy against influenza for a given population, estimates of the level of protection afforded by different RPDs is valuable. In this article, a risk assessment model previously developed in general form was used to estimate the effectiveness of different types of protective equipment in reducing the rate of infection in an influenza outbreak. It was found that a 50% compliance in donning the device resulted in a significant (at least 50% prevalence and 20% cumulative incidence) reduction in risk for fitted and unfitted N95 respirators, high-filtration surgical masks, and both low-filtration and high-filtration pediatric masks. An 80% compliance rate essentially eliminated the influenza outbreak. The results of the present study, as well as the application of the model to related influenza scenarios, are potentially useful to public health officials in decisions involving resource allocation or education strategies.

 

[Crossy]

You do realise that this is a simulation / model report don't you? 

 

Doesn't stop it being valid of course, so wear that mask when out and about, it's not likely to do you any harm.

[Chrysaora]

Just now, Crossy said:

You do realise that this is a simulation / model report don't you? 

 

Doesn't stop it being valid of course, so wear that mask when out and about, it's not likely to do you any harm.

Common sense tells you that the N95 mask will protect you and other people around you.  

If you wear a common surgical mask, it will protect those around you more than it will protect you ... unless

 

Everyone else is wearing a surgical mask too.

 

It's common sense.  

[UbonThani]

One report doesnt mean much.

You can get any one report to say almost anything.

 

A lot of flus are contracted via face touching.

[Tayaout]

No they won't stop (I wonder if they use a seatbelt even tho they may not work) but I can add some links. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23498357/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24229526/

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190903134732.htm

 

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/n95-mask-surgical-prevent-transmission-coronavirus/?rel=1

 

But in my opinion the reason some government don't recommend using a mask is this:

 

"Recommendations on face masks vary across countries and we have seen that the use of masks increases substantially once local epidemics begin, including the use of N95 respirators (without any other protective equipment) in community settings. This increase in use of face masks by the general public exacerbates the global supply shortage of face masks, with prices soaring, and risks supply constraints to frontline health-care professionals. "

"Universal use of face masks could be considered if supplies permit." 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext

 

Video link broken here it is: https://vimeo.com/399120258

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Tayaout

[OneMoreFarang]

16 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

Common sense tells you that the N95 mask will protect you and other people around you.  

If you wear a common surgical mask, it will protect those around you more than it will protect you ... unless

 

Everyone else is wearing a surgical mask too.

 

It's common sense.  

Please tell me where can I buy N95 masks or even surgical masks?

Because all the pharmacies in which I asked are out of stock.

And I definitely won't buy any (maybe used) masks from unknown suppliers on the internet.

[Curt1591]

I think that, after tomorrow's announcement, one had better not be caught outside without a mask. I think the suggestion will become a mandate.

This morning, we made a trip to our local fresh market. I saw only one person not wearing a mask. Shoppers and vendors were all wearing them. Everyone passing by, on the street, were also wearing them.

 

[tifino]

  @OneMoreFarang are there any Trade Paint Supplies shops nearby?  

 - Painters PPE

Edited March 25, 2020 by tifino

[Tayaout]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please tell me where can I buy N95 masks or even surgical masks?

Because all the pharmacies in which I asked are out of stock.

And I definitely won't buy any (maybe used) masks from unknown suppliers on the internet.

Try lazada. If you are desperate then multiple studies found that any kind of tissue/custom facemask is better than using nothing. Simply bring more than 1 and clean everyday. 

[Don Mega]

30 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

Common sense tells you that the N95 mask will protect you and other people around you.  

If you wear a common surgical mask, it will protect those around you more than it will protect you ... unless

 

Everyone else is wearing a surgical mask too.

 

It's common sense.  

I thought the N95 mask was for particles and considered all but useless for boomer remover.

[Boomer6969]

26 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

Common sense tells you that the N95 mask will protect you and other people around you.  

If you wear a common surgical mask, it will protect those around you more than it will protect you ... unless

 

Everyone else is wearing a surgical mask too.

 

It's common sense.  

When it comes to common sense, the decision to wear or not must also be based on the availability of those masks. Without confinement every citizen would need at least 2 or 3 pieces a day (change every 4 hours). so that sets the requirement to 200 Million units a day in Thailand. So tell me ?...

[mngmn]

52 minutes ago, Crossy said:

You do realise that this is a simulation / model report don't you? 

 

Doesn't stop it being valid of course, so wear that mask when out and about, it's not likely to do you any harm.

The average TV poster does not believe that you can predict the future so of course will automatically reject any form of simulation or modelling.

 

Masks are much of a cultural symbol than anything to do with health. Doctors coming from Thai culture support their use. Western doctors do not.

 

I look at where the majority of health improvements come from and choose to believe that culture.

[bestie]

32 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please tell me where can I buy N95 masks or even surgical masks?

Because all the pharmacies in which I asked are out of stock.

And I definitely won't buy any (maybe used) masks from unknown suppliers on the internet.

 You can still order some on shopee or search there for n95. as an example: 

https://shopee.co.th/product/67153357/5719809603

 

But I give no guarantee of the Quality or whatever. 

Hope it helps.

 

 

[mngmn]

55 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

Common sense tells you that the N95 mask will protect you and other people around you.  

If you wear a common surgical mask, it will protect those around you more than it will protect you ... unless

 

Everyone else is wearing a surgical mask too.

 

It's common sense.  

Yay! Common sense will cure the corona virus. Who needs experts?

[stouricks]

58 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

Common sense tells you that the N95 mask will protect you and other people around you.  

If you wear a common surgical mask, it will protect those around you more than it will protect you ... unless

 

Everyone else is wearing a surgical mask too.

 

It's common sense.  

Unfortunatly there is very little of that abounding in LOS.

[Logosone]

Herd immunity means such a great number of people are infected and immune to the virus that it can not spread any longer.

 

If herd immunity is the only way to stop the spread of the virus (because governments were unable to isolate their country or subsequently test and isolate the infected) then would it be wrong to wear masks and self isolate, wouldn't it?

 

As soon as herd immunity is achieved the virus will stop.

 

So wearing masks could be counter-productive, as could self-isolation.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Logosone

[bestie]

If you don't have a mask you can also turn into a Ninja. I recommend a 100% cotton shirt. But of course it has less protection. 

 

 

 

 

 

[EricTh]

51 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

I thought the N95 mask was for particles and considered all but useless for boomer remover.

Virus spreads through sneezes and coughs with water droplets. They don't fly off individually but in clusters.

 

The N95 would be able to stop the droplets of water.

[Tayaout]

5 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Virus spreads through sneezes and coughs with water droplets. They don't fly off individually but in clusters.

 

The N95 would be able to stop the droplets of water.

There is a study that found that these mask do in fact stop particules much smaller than virus. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662779/

 

"3M industrial filters were able to capture over 95% of particles down to 0.007 micron. That’s over 10 times smaller than the coronavirus." 

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/coronavirus-pollution-masks-n95-surgical-mask/

 

 

[jollyhangmon]

42 minutes ago, mngmn said:

Yay! Common sense will cure the corona virus. Who needs experts?

 

... good one, then again the 'common sense' part would actually be spot on if you think about it ...

Alas, not too much of it around as others already mentioned.

[Silencer]

48 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Herd immunity means such a great number of people are infected and immune to the virus that it can not spread any longer.

 

If herd immunity is the only way to stop the spread of the virus (because governments were unable to isolate their country or subsequently test and isolate the infected) then would it be wrong to wear masks and self isolate, wouldn't it?

 

As soon as herd immunity is achieved the virus will stop.

 

So wearing masks could be counter-productive, as could self-isolation.

True...but the threat now is that allowing everyone to get infected will overwhelm healthcare facilities. You want to achieve herd immunity slowly or you risk mass deaths in the short-term.

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, Silencer said:

True...but the threat now is that allowing everyone to get infected will overwhelm healthcare facilities. You want to achieve herd immunity slowly or you risk mass deaths in the short-term.

Looking at Italy and Spain (and Spain btw, had by no means a poor health service), it seems that the health services will be overwhelmed no matter what happens.

 

Principally because governments when given a warning in 2012 of the catastrophic effects of a pandemic by the Robert Koch Institute chose to do....nothing. 

 

The only exception could be Germany, where for years spending on health care has been exorbitant and rising, possibly SKorea and Japan. But all the other health services will most likely go through a few weeks of panic like Italy did.

 

These panics are short-lived however, cases seem to taper off for some reason, possibly herd immunity.

 

Would it not be better to get herd immunity as quickly as possible to stop the spread of this virus and end the whole macabre spectacle?

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, bestie said:

 You can still order some on shopee or search there for n95. as an example: 

https://shopee.co.th/product/67153357/5719809603

 

But I give no guarantee of the Quality or whatever. 

Hope it helps.

 

 

Thanks, luckily I was able to buy some masks today on an unexpected place (Tabaco Monopol). So I bought a big box of "surgical masks" to have something.

But I still want to buy the N95 from a reputable supplier. Let's look when the pharmacies have stock again.

 

This is the open air market where I bought them: 13.723344, 100.555646

[tjo o tjim]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

These panics are short-lived however, cases seem to taper off for some reason, possibly herd immunity.

 

Would it not be better to get herd immunity as quickly as possible to stop the spread of this virus and end the whole macabre spectacle?

That does not seem to be accurate.  The closest the statistics on worldometers.info comes to tapering off is in the rate of growth of new daily cases— but this is likely constrained by testing more than a reflection that it is stabilizing.

 

Moreover, the number of active cases is only stabilizing in some countries due to increases in the death rate.

 

The obvious exceptions are S. Korea, Japan, Singapore, and China.

[chesterubi1]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please tell me where can I buy N95 masks or even surgical masks?

Because all the pharmacies in which I asked are out of stock.

And I definitely won't buy any (maybe used) masks from unknown suppliers on the internet.

There giving them away at the bus stations

 

 

[Chazar]

6 hours ago, mngmn said:

Doctors coming from Thai culture support their use. Western doctors do not.

the  same Thai doctors  dole  out antibiotics  when often unnecessary

[Chazar]

6 hours ago, EricTh said:

The N95 would be able to stop the droplets of water.

to  your  eyes?

[EricTh]

Just now, Chazar said:

to  your  eyes?

You can wear sunglasses if you are not short-sighted.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, Tayaout said:

"Universal use of face masks could be considered if supplies permit." 

 

The US CDC has recommended N95 masks for EMS personnel dealing with suspected COVID cases.

 

But then the national and worldwide shortages hit of N95 masks, so they retreated to saying regular surgical masks could be used if N95 masks weren't available.

 

Now in their latest version, they're telling EMS and medical personnel that if they get into crisis mode and none of the other types of masks are available, they could resort to wearing face scarves and bandanas as a last resort.

 

The recommendations from both the CDC and the WHO regarding public wear of face masks have been based as much or more on the notion of preserving their supply for health care workers vs the notion that average citizens may not know how to properly use and wear the face masks, or that the same masks would be somehow less effective for the public.

 

Their guidance to the public re mask wearing is being driven by market conditions, more than by issues of how effective the face protection devices may be.

 

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, tjo o tjim said:

That does not seem to be accurate.  The closest the statistics on worldometers.info comes to tapering off is in the rate of growth of new daily cases— but this is likely constrained by testing more than a reflection that it is stabilizing.

 

Moreover, the number of active cases is only stabilizing in some countries due to increases in the death rate.

 

The obvious exceptions are S. Korea, Japan, Singapore, and China.

Yah, bad news, the figures from worldometers.info are totally incorrect. They only look at 'identified' cases.

 

As we now know from Sir Patrick Vallance the real figure of cases is ten to twenty times higher at least, possibly more.

 

So for instance their death rates look way off.