Why isn't Taiwan on the Thai "good list" of countries?

[Seeall]

15 hours ago, timendres said:

Putting Taiwan on the list would be acknowledging that they are an actual country, which would upset the Masters that Thailand so willingly obeys.

Beat me to it..... its quite simple really and not even a question....

[Leatherneck]

15 hours ago, timendres said:

Putting Taiwan on the list would be acknowledging that they are an actual country, which would upset the Masters that Thailand so willingly obeys.

Same reason why Taiwan isn't invited to attend a virtual worldwide Health Assembly to address the virus by health experts, even though almost every country has praised Taiwan for being a success country in dealing with the virus. The PRC threw a tantrum about inviting Taiwan so they weren't. I'm sure Thailand supported their exclusion to appease their puppeteers in Beijing.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Leatherneck
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[JackThompson]

47 minutes ago, flossie35 said:

Taiwan calls itself "Republic of China". You can't have 2 Republics of China. Wallets work both ways - Taiwan has an overseas aid programme. Not all Taiwanese were happy to be taken over by the defeated Kuomintang - there's a film about it. This is more complicated than it looks.

 

There are fair criticisms of the Kuomintang.  And there was no democracy there for a long time.  But, are there many in Taiwan, now, who wish they could be under under the PRC's boot, instead? 

The world should recognize Taiwain, and advocate the PRC be dismantled, and replaced with a democratic, federalist (representing the many different cultures of China) system.  Similar actions as those taken to end apartheid in SA should be applied - no need for war.

[uhuh]

57 minutes ago, Oxx said:

 

The official spoken language of Taiwan is Mandarin Chinese, and is virtually identical to Standard Chinese.  The modest divergence in pronunciation and vocabulary are no more than one would expect of regional dialects of the same language (which, of course they are).

 

As for the writing system, China reformed the ideograms to simplify them and make them easier to learn and write.  The renegade province of Taiwan has not yet adopted this modern writing reform.

"Standard Chinese" - that's a weird expression,  really had to google it. You probably mean Putonghua, but to call this "standard" is quite a leap.  Putong doesn't mean standard. 

To call it a lingua franca would be more realistic.

 

Native language of the majority in Taiwan is not Mandarin.

[uhuh]

1 hour ago, Oxx said:

Taiwan is a province of China, as is Tibet, and as Laos, Vietnam and Burma are in the process of becoming.  Thailand's probably next on the list.

Of course. 

These are integral parts of our beloved motherland,  have belonged to us for over 5000 years. We will bring them back to the fold,  just like we will take back Japan, Korea, and our outlying districts around the Rivers Volga and Mississippi.  

[uhuh]

The name "Taiwan" seems to be a taboo in Thailand, particularly in officialdom. 

 

From an opinion piece in the other English language newspaper,  today, why Thailand can't learn from Taiwan in this pandemic. 

 

But it's not only Thai officials who don't dare to utter the 6-letter word. 

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3917362

Another occasion was a clip showing a German government spokesperson cringing when pressed to utter the 6-letter word,  it was all over TV in Taiwan. 

When the WHO no2 was asked by a reporter using the 6-letter word he hung up

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUlCYFh8U2xM&ved=2ahUKEwiOouXxybzpAhVRIqYKHeRwAW0QwqsBMAF6BAgLEAg&usg=AOvVaw3runzHZpwutkfSx9C2Z2vd

 

[Isaan sailor]

If you like Wuhan virus—buy Made in China.

If you don’t—I would suggest you look for and buy products made in Thailand or Taiwan.  And Taiwanese products less likely to have Wuhan virus contamination.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Isaan sailor

[thailand49]

Here is a short history!   China says Taiwan is part of China, Taiwan says it isn't this has been going on for years!  Just like now H.K. don't really want to be a part of China. A bit unrelated China didn't like what one of the NBA GM said so they cancel all contracts with the NBA.  In the end, Thailand leaders has their head so far up the ass of China is the reason Taiwan isn't included. Based on stories if any country that should be allowed is Taiwan!

[Dap]

Why isn't Taiwan on the Thai "good list" of countries?

My guess would be because Thailand doesn't want to pi** -off CHina.

[VocalNeal]

They will allow arrivals from Taipei. Same, same but different.

 

Taiwan won't have an ambassador here but they will have a trade mission here. (semantics) Just like they don't or didn't have an embassy in the Solomons but the Taiwan guy was the longest serving foreign "diplomat"

[Mayhem11]

Maybe would offend Beijing?

[Knocker33]

I asked the same question on a different thread the other day and was informed that they are not on the list of high risk countries. I asked where I could view the list but apparently there isn't one??? 

[Jai Dee]

A highly inappropriate troll post has been removed.

[Catoni]

1. 1. Should Taiwan be included in the "GOOD" list of countries along with China and South Korea?

   • YES!
   • no.

    

        What ???   China is a “GOOD” county ?   Not if you’re counting the Chinese Communist Government !!!

[dutchberliner]

The CCP is a mafia regime and they strong arm countries like thailand into anti taiwan policies.

[IAMHERE]

23 hours ago, saakura said:

Maybe Thailand cinsiders Taiwan as a province of China?

A 'runaway' province from China at that; pretty much same same as Cambodia to Siam. I'm writing between the lines there.

[Number 6]

23 hours ago, Heppinger said:

Not many heavy hitters among'st this lot wouldn't you say?

That's the influence of China. Nothing else. Many are tax havens.

[sirineou]

"Why isn't Taiwan on the Thai "good list" of countries? "

Because it is not a very good list.

[yuyiinthesky]

On 5/18/2020 at 10:13 AM, Oxx said:

The renegade province of Taiwan has not yet adopted this modern writing reform.

50 cents?

 

Taiwan is a country, not a province of China. 

[uhuh]

12 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

50 cents?

 

Taiwan is a country, not a province of China. 

https://guidetotaipei.com/article/why-do-taiwanese-license-plates-say-taiwan-province-臺灣省

 

A common question that visitors may ask when visiting Taiwan is "if Taiwan is Taiwan, and China is China, then why do license plates say 臺灣省"?

This question is actually very easy to answer!

When the ROC government moved to Taiwan in 1949, it attempted to retain as much of its governmental structure as possible, continuing to manage each province as an independent unit under the national government. Since the intention was to return to the mainland, "Taiwan Province" was still in actuality Taiwan Province, albeit with its government function reduced significantly as Taiwan Province was the only province the ROC had control over (with the exception of Kinmen and Matsu which are technically in Fujian Province).

So, yes, the license plates do say "Taiwan Province", but that's only means Taiwan Province of the Republic of China, not Taiwan Province of the PRC.

[yuyiinthesky]

29 minutes ago, uhuh said:

https://guidetotaipei.com/article/why-do-taiwanese-license-plates-say-taiwan-province-臺灣省

 

A common question that visitors may ask when visiting Taiwan is "if Taiwan is Taiwan, and China is China, then why do license plates say 臺灣省"?

This question is actually very easy to answer!

When the ROC government moved to Taiwan in 1949, it attempted to retain as much of its governmental structure as possible, continuing to manage each province as an independent unit under the national government. Since the intention was to return to the mainland, "Taiwan Province" was still in actuality Taiwan Province, albeit with its government function reduced significantly as Taiwan Province was the only province the ROC had control over (with the exception of Kinmen and Matsu which are technically in Fujian Province).

So, yes, the license plates do say "Taiwan Province", but that's only means Taiwan Province of the Republic of China, not Taiwan Province of the PRC.

So that is actually saying that Taiwan country is the real ROC (Republic of China), and in this ROC / Taiwan there is a Taiwan province, and the provinces on the mainland are in reality provinces of the Taiwan ROC too.

Thanks for explaining.

[yuyiinthesky]

16 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

A 'runaway' province from China at that; pretty much same same as Cambodia to Siam. I'm writing between the lines there.

Too late for Siam to claim Cambodia, it’s under China now.

[uhuh]

1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said:

So that is actually saying that Taiwan country is the real ROC (Republic of China), and in this ROC / Taiwan there is a Taiwan province, and the provinces on the mainland are in reality provinces of the Taiwan ROC too.

Thanks for explaining.

This is how Chiang Kaishek and the rulers of Taiwan during the military dictatorship saw it.

At that time (1970s), Taiwan did have the chance of independence. But these people didn't want it. They were not Taiwanese,  they were reactionary mainlanders hoping against hope to "take back the mainland". Taiwan was, for them, just a temporary hotel (to be plundered like the places in the mainland they had plundered before coming to Taiwan). Many of them had US passports,  anyway. They didn't see Taiwan as their home,  let alone their country. 

[Salerno]

20 hours ago, Knocker33 said:

I asked the same question on a different thread the other day and was informed that they are not on the list of high risk countries. I asked where I could view the list but apparently there isn't one??? 

There is/was (moot point given they closed down the borders to all). But it still makes this thread a nonsense. There is no "good list" per se, the fact Taiwan isn't on the "bad list" means they are "good".

 

The list as it stood prior to the blanket ban:

1. People’s Republic of China (including Special Administrative Regions Macau and Hong Kong)
2. South Korea
3. Iran
4. Italy
5. Malaysia
6. Kingdom of Cambodia
7. Lao People’s Democratic Republic
8. Republic of Indonesia
9. Republic of the Union of Myanmar

Most likely it will be reviewed at the time the border restrictions are relaxed.

 

Site appears to be down at the moment but initial countries (1-4) are listed here with the extra 5 added with the update: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index.php

 

[yuyiinthesky]

On 5/19/2020 at 1:22 PM, uhuh said:

This is how Chiang Kaishek and the rulers of Taiwan during the military dictatorship saw it.

At that time (1970s), Taiwan did have the chance of independence. But these people didn't want it. They were not Taiwanese,  they were reactionary mainlanders hoping against hope to "take back the mainland". Taiwan was, for them, just a temporary hotel (to be plundered like the places in the mainland they had plundered before coming to Taiwan). Many of them had US passports,  anyway. They didn't see Taiwan as their home,  let alone their country. 

Good that the development of Taiwan was then quite positive. Unlike in mainland China, no concentration camps for undesired parts of the population, no disappearing critics of the government, no thought police surveilling your social credits with automated mass surveillance, etc etc.

[Oxx]

2 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Good that the development of Taiwan was then quite positive. Unlike in mainland China, no concentration camps for undesired parts of the population, no disappearing critics of the government, no thought police surveilling your social credits with automated mass surveillance, etc etc.

 

China has done an excellent job maintaining social cohesion by clamping down on dissent.  The West would have been wise to do something similar, and then there wouldn't be all the problems with economic migrants from northern Africa and south Asia/the Indian subcontinent.

 

As for the development of Taiwan, in 2018 its real GDP growth was 2.7% (the only recent year for which I can readily find a figure).  China's rate was 6.5% for the same year.  Mainland China has done a far better job of growing its economy than its renegade province.

 

There really is very little positive about the way that Taiwan has developed.

[uhuh]

2 hours ago, Oxx said:

 

As for the development of Taiwan, in 2018 its real GDP growth was 2.7% (the only recent year for which I can readily find a figure).  China's rate was 6.5% for the same year.  

From a different base, as you know very well. 

[uhuh]

2 hours ago, Oxx said:

 

China has done an excellent job maintaining social cohesion by clamping down on dissent.  The West would have been wise to do something similar, and then there wouldn't be all the problems with economic migrants

Just like the Nazis did an excellent job maintaining social cohesion by clamping down on dissent and what they called "weeding out" people they considered economic migrants (the Jews).

 

I am glad I don't live under any of these 2 regimes.

[yuyiinthesky]

5 hours ago, Oxx said:

China has done an excellent job maintaining social cohesion by clamping down on dissent.  The West would have been wise to do something similar, and then there wouldn't be all the problems with economic migrants from northern Africa and south Asia/the Indian subcontinent.

I'm really happy that there is still a lot of freedom in the West, and that there are still many many which defend it.

 

China's methods of "clamping down on dissent" are disgusting. Concentration camps, torture, critics disappear, history gets censored and falsified (Tiananmen Square https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989), and so on.

If you think that is an "excellent job" then I think you're getting 50 cent for your posts.

[Traubert]

There is also the fact that the Kuomintang emptied the coffers before they left the Mainland and there's still Chinese artifacts in Taipei.

 

Fact is if China turned the tap off, as in HK the Taiwanese would starve.