Exclusive: 'Sorry is not enough', Caribbean states say of British slavery apologies

[RichardColeman]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm apologizing for any bad things done by any of my ancestors all the way back to Ug the caveman.

That's daft, he was probably black

[transam]

5 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

That's daft, he was probably black

How true.....????

 

Yes, the black folk wondered all over the place way back when, so much so that zillions over time turned pale in colour, a change in temperature thingy...

So what do we have regarding the slave thingy....

 

Black folk sold black folk, black folk that turned white sold black folk. 

 

Now today, black folk want to forget that white folk were once black, and black folk that sold black folk were no doubt relatives of the black folk that turned white. 

 

Now dare I mention Australia and their fairly resent past......Nooooooooo...????  

 

[chilli42]

Well I sure hope indigenous peoples on North America, South America, Australia and New Zealand can live with an apology rather than getting the land back that was stolen from them.  Sure they were never slaves they were just murdered wholesale.  The job was so effectively done that there is none left in the Caribbean to give the land to. 

[evadgib]

38 minutes ago, transam said:

How true.....????

 

Yes, the black folk wondered all over the place way back when, so much so that zillions over time turned pale in colour, a change in temperature thingy...

So what do we have regarding the slave thingy....

 

Black folk sold black folk, black folk that turned white sold black folk. 

 

Now today, black folk want to forget that white folk were once black, and black folk that sold black folk were no doubt relatives of the black folk that turned white. 

 

Now dare I mention Australia and their fairly resent past......Nooooooooo...????  

 

Billy Connolly was somewhat surprised to unearth Indian ancestry in his background during a recent episode of 'Who do you think you are?'

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, transam said:

My mum was demoralised, bombed out of two houses, one whilst she was evacuated to N.Wales, the other when working on parts for the twin engined Mosquito....????

Mine was blown off the Khazi by a doodle bug...at the age of 6!

[Crazy Alex]

On 6/19/2020 at 5:47 AM, worgeordie said:

If they are looking for money, Saying sorry on a bended knee is all we can offer,

as i think the UK has run out of money, due to the Government paying Millions

of workers for doing nothing.

regards worgeordie

Some Americans are willing to get on their knees and even shine shoes. Perhaps this can go international and everyone will be happy. ????????????

[Crazy Alex]

On 6/19/2020 at 5:52 AM, Bluespunk said:

Well said, could not agree more. 

So how much do you think you should pay up for your ill-gotten gains?

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

So how much do you think you should pay up for your ill-gotten gains?

When you finish reading the entire thread get back to me. 

[Baerboxer]

On 6/19/2020 at 5:41 PM, steve187 said:

cake and eat it springs to mind, lets give them money because hundreds of years ago their far distant relations, suffered hardship, so did the white Europeans that were treated as slaves, Romans conquered,  Egyptians used slave labour etc. history is full of countries being conquered and enslaved,  the past is the past just make the most of it, don't ask for hand outs

 

Interesting fact from a US Professor here. Barbary pirates raided European ships and coastlines to capture slaves for the Ottoman and other Islamic countries' slave markets. They were specifically told to target people from Christian countries.

 

Most slaves transported from Africa to the Caribbean and Americas were captured by fellow Africans as tribes raided different tribes to capture slaves for use and sale; or even sold by their own chiefs/kings. Will she be demanding reparations from them?

 

She and her cronies are focusing on one small sector of the slave trade. A small snapshot of this vile trade that is still rife today. Looks very much like they're looking for handouts.

 

How much have former colonial powers invested in these former colonies since independence and since the slavery was banned?

 

 

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

From the paper that supported slavery and the confederacy, they were right about Lincoln of course, that shyster never actually freed one slave, had 5 years to do it and it was not done until 8 months after he died

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414917/Guardian-accused-hypocrisy-backing-BLM-protests-despite-branding-Abraham-Lincoln-abhorrent.html

 

Thanks for posting. 

 

A left wing rag full of hypocrisy and self righteousness while trying to lecture everyone else - how surprising 555!

 

Interesting just how many American leaders, POTUS, VPOTUS, prominent politicians and businessmen were slave owners; and supported the Jim Crow laws which kept freed slaves and their descendants  oppressed.

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I am 100% in favour of prosecuting any and all found guilty of taking part in the Holocaust, no matter their age, no matter how minor the role. Any firms involved should be completely stripped of all assets. I really didn’t think anyone would be so dense as to need that explaining.
 

No idea what you are rambling on about with “purge for stardom”. 

 

Just to extrapolate your thinking. Certain large Japanese businesses still exist today. During WWII they manufactured armaments, airplanes etc that the Imperial Japanese used when inflicting gross war crimes - such as the rape of Nanking, the slaughter of ethnic Chinese in Singapore, the Death Railway, torture and murder of POW's. Similarly many large German businesses provided armaments and war equipment for the German military.

 

You are suggesting all these businesses, which supported regimes which committed gross crimes against humanity, should have all assets liquidated and the funds used to pay reparations? 

 

Do you think the Russians should pay for slaughtering Poles, Ukrainians, and various Cossack tribes to? The Turks for the Armenian genocide? 

 

All countries who at one time or another occupied other countries, used slave labour, carried out slaving should pay?

 

 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Just to extrapolate your thinking. Certain large Japanese businesses still exist today. During WWII they manufactured armaments, airplanes etc that the Imperial Japanese used when inflicting gross war crimes - such as the rape of Nanking, the slaughter of ethnic Chinese in Singapore, the Death Railway, torture and murder of POW's. Similarly many large German businesses provided armaments and war equipment for the German military.

 

You are suggesting all these businesses, which supported regimes which committed gross crimes against humanity, should have all assets liquidated and the funds used to pay reparations? 

 

Do you think the Russians should pay for slaughtering Poles, Ukrainians, and various Cossack tribes to? The Turks for the Armenian genocide? 

 

All countries who at one time or another occupied other countries, used slave labour, carried out slaving should pay?

 

 

Yes to all above. 

[rott]

Spoken like a nob. 

[Orton Rd]

what is this Juneteeth rubbish in the USA? Slaves we not free until Dec 1865 when the constitution was amended. Lincoln never freed one single slave in his lifetime, had years to do it but only made a proclimation which addressed southern slavery. Caribbean slavery ended in 1833, almost two hundred years ago and some of them are still playing the victim.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Orton Rd

[Chomper Higgot]

Perhaps, as the UK goes out searching for the trade deals it desperately needs, this is the perfect time for the UK to re-examine the history of its past relationships with the world it now seeks as a new partner.

 

The myths, or if you like ‘history’ written by the ‘victors’ is being questioned, getting all upset over others having a different view of a shared history isn’t doing a nation in need of friends, let alone trade, any good at all.

[bodga]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

depending on completion to acceptable standards and no backhanders involved to officials.

May  as  well  just burn that  money  now  then.

[FarangULong]

On 6/19/2020 at 12:52 PM, Bluespunk said:

Well said, could not agree more. 

Me too, now please do show us the victimized people, who this won't fly with. Are they still alive?

[FarangULong]

I'm sure Lloyds (as much as I despise them, for different reasons) have nothing better to invest their money in, than spending it on corrupt "development" schemes in the Carribbean, which is also becoming a backwater of the good ole deleted infrastructure for mining etc. scheme...

[FarangULong]

Really??? The abbreviation for Chinese Communists (as in mainland China) is a "deleted" now on here????

[chainarong]

If people have lived all this time with this hate, I feel sorry for U. Millions were displaced or murdered in both world wars, millions were murdered by Starlin and Chinese Chairman Mao, but I don't see much said about that, history tells us that since the world began people have been persecuted  Move on. 

[transam]

13 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Just to extrapolate your thinking. Certain large Japanese businesses still exist today. During WWII they manufactured armaments, airplanes etc that the Imperial Japanese used when inflicting gross war crimes - such as the rape of Nanking, the slaughter of ethnic Chinese in Singapore, the Death Railway, torture and murder of POW's. Similarly many large German businesses provided armaments and war equipment for the German military.

 

You are suggesting all these businesses, which supported regimes which committed gross crimes against humanity, should have all assets liquidated and the funds used to pay reparations? 

 

Do you think the Russians should pay for slaughtering Poles, Ukrainians, and various Cossack tribes to? The Turks for the Armenian genocide? 

 

All countries who at one time or another occupied other countries, used slave labour, carried out slaving should pay?

 

 

Plus, USA companies made money from Nazi Germany, Kodak and IBM come to mind.....

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, FarangULong said:

Me too, now please do show us the victimized people, who this won't fly with. Are they still alive?

No idea. 

[Snow Leopard]

Getting tired of all this nonsense. The 21st Century. The Century of the victim and bleeding heart. William the Conqueror laid waste to the North of England and the Anglo-Scandanavians. I think i need to clain reparations from the EU and France now. Where does it stop. 

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

Getting tired of all this nonsense. The 21st Century. The Century of the victim and bleeding heart. William the Conqueror laid waste to the North of England and the Anglo-Scandanavians. I think i need to clain reparations from the EU and France now. Where does it stop. 

Yes I have often joked that we should be seeking compensation from France for the Norman invasion in 1066............but then when does it stop, and anyway the conquests and mixing and mingling of different peoples made the UK great as it has done other countries.

 

ENOUGH.

[Eindhoven]

On 6/19/2020 at 12:10 PM, sprq said:

Appalled by the Atlantic slave trade,  I nevertheless used to joke with a Jamaican friend in London: "You were dead lucky. We took you out of the African jungle and put you on a Caribbean beach."

 

 

 

Africa has beaches.... If you lived in the jungle it was for practical reasons. 

You still think it was funny. How sad. You don't know how much those people put up with your offensive comments, just to get along.

[Eindhoven]

6 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Yes I have often joked that we should be seeking compensation from France for the Norman invasion in 1066............but then when does it stop, and anyway the conquests and mixing and mingling of different peoples made the UK great as it has done other countries.

 

ENOUGH.

 

Of course you are tired, because you haven't suffered in any way.

 

As to the Norman invasion;

 

Quote

More gradual changes affected the agricultural classes and village life: the main change appears to have been the formal elimination of slavery, which may or may not have been linked to the invasion

 

So it can be seen as a positive thing for England.

 

So how is the Norman invasion in any way equal to the atrocities of slavery and the trading of humans?

Seems just another flippant remark to me.

[Jack100]

My ggg  UK ancestors were a miserable lot  , never got to read or write,  or leave the village,  or rise above

' agricultural labourer ' . I' m sure they were not involved in this but you never know . 1

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

Getting tired of all this nonsense. The 21st Century. The Century of the victim and bleeding heart. William the Conqueror laid waste to the North of England and the Anglo-Scandanavians. I think i need to clain reparations from the EU and France now. Where does it stop. 

Plus the Romans and Barbary slave traders who ironically came from N Africa and sold our ancestors there.

Edited June 21, 2020 by evadgib

[transam]

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Of course you are tired, because you haven't suffered in any way.

 

As to the Norman invasion;

 

 

So it can be seen as a positive thing for England.

 

So how is the Norman invasion in any way equal to the atrocities of slavery and the trading of humans?

Seems just another flippant remark to me.

Aaaaah, a reincarnated Norman that was a hip cool guy way back then eh....????

[steven100]

get over it .....  move on