6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The UK is doing what it's told by the USA.

 

The more trouble that can be stirred up in China the better for the western imperialists.

 

The UK should butt out. China is China.

 

Repeating it doesn't make it true or even relevant.

But then, when someone goes on about "western imperialists", there's really little point trying to engage in discussion. Good luck with that revolution, comrade.

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You can keep saying that, doesn't make it into any coherent or efficient construct/effort. I'm not against any such initiatives, I'm just saying that so far it's mostly futile gestures or isolated incidents of resistance. Also I don't think the PRC is very much "communist" these days, authoritarian yes. 

All new beginnings start off small but thats how things can change. 

we keep blaming China for their poor behavioral attitude but it's the western world fault, they are the ones who made China a financial power by buying all the garbage China produced. It all started 20+ years ago, prior to that the majority of consumer goods were produced in Taiwan, China started to take over by copying Taiwan production models but with lower wages, WalMart and the likes all started to move their production of goods to China, money started to flow in like a river and with money comes attitude, now here we are bending to their (Chinese) bullying blackmail, if the big western companies got together and started to move their production somewhere else, quite sure China would start to change their attitude, but countries have to get together for it to make a dent on China's economy, so far Chinese are laughing at us because they see that we can not get together on that, greed, in the first place, was the reason why it went the way it went and greed, unfortunately, still is the way it will keep going, even if goods production prices in China keep going up and become more expensive then goods produced in nearby countries, for example Vietnam, India, Cambodia, Taiwan even Malaysia whereby many Chinese companies moved their production, if China is so cheap why did they move out.

42 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Nothing to do with China. It's USA paranoia, and they are exerting pressure on just about anyone to retain 'top dog' status.

       AND CHINA ISN'T,  ??????????

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You don’t have to wait for your government to take actions against China.  Everyone can do their part immediately with their wallet.  Stop buying Made in China.

52 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Repeating it doesn't make it true or even relevant.

But then, when someone goes on about "western imperialists", there's really little point trying to engage in discussion. Good luck with that revolution, comrade.

Correct first line.

What is wrong with saying western imperialists. Most of the countries in Europe had colonies. US has been practicing economic imperialism for decades, has military bases all round the world, has overthrown democracies in South America, and invaded oil rich countries in the Middle East, just for starters. Economic blackmail is a key US tool, but also they have very rarely stopped being at war with someone, powerful countries tend to act like rogue states.   

Where on earth did China, with an economy built on copying, learn their imperial ways do you think. Was chairman Mao secretly reading "Biggles saves the empire"?

 

Is China a Communist or Fascist dictatorship, well a bit of both I guess. Do HK, it's neighbours need protection, of course. Are they doing anything other powerful countries have not done before..........certainly not.

I'm just surprised it's taken them this long.

 

The "Independent" from today described it very well:

The UK is a joke to many countries watching our meagre attempts to strike a deal with the EU. It is almost comical to witness Johnson trying to barter with European officials after throwing away the UK's relationship with them. Now that he is swinging his finger around, threatening sanctions, you can’t help thinking we look like an ant trying to intimidate a bear.

17 hours ago, Traubert said:

Why does Britain act as though they wrote the 'one country, two systems' idea when it was China who wrote the whole thing?

 

One country, two systems is Chinese construct. Britain barely looked over their shoulder.

I lived in Hong Kong at the time of the handover and watched the jousting between China and Chris Patten with great interest.  We were amazed at just how much ground he managed to get from Beijing and after Patten left nobody believed that China would stick to the deal for the whole period.  Well until now they pretty much have done.  That, however. is now being chipped away at and will inevitably end in tears and bloodshed.

 

Of course Britain will not stand silently by but in reality there is a very limited amount they can actually do.  Beijing are miffed that the UK are getting involved at all and I think they may well retaliate with a cyber attack at some point. 

 

I have been going to China for business for nearly thirty years and seen them grow to be the powerhouse that they are today.  At first they were cheaper than anyone else but the quality was lacking.  Now they are still cheaper than most but the quality has improved to true international standards.   Consequently we all use China for our manufacturing.  Business is driven by product profitability and China still offers that in abundance.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

The "Independent" from today described it very well:

The UK is a joke to many countries watching our meagre attempts to strike a deal with the EU. It is almost comical to witness Johnson trying to barter with European officials after throwing away the UK's relationship with them. Now that he is swinging his finger around, threatening sanctions, you can’t help thinking we look like an ant trying to intimidate a bear.

The "Independent"......????..........Does anyone actually take any notice of that lefty rag.....

HK is toast. UK can take in the cream of the crop, let China have the remnants. Everybody from the west having any affairs there should withdraw immediately and bang the door closed on their way out. Another one bites the CCP dust.

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Where on earth did China, with an economy built on copying, learn their imperial ways do you think.

It's the white man's fault. No, really, it is. In this case Marx->Lenin->Mao. The first two were dealt with in WW2 and the Cold War, Mao's shadow still lingers and must be eradicated next.

Brits should have given H.K back as they found it. A Swamp.

12 minutes ago, transam said:

The "Independent"......????..........Does anyone actually take any notice of that lefty rag.....

Yes, those with a brain ????

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

London would offer around 3 million residents a path to British citizenship.

What if you offer and no one want to come. Not that UK any better than Hong Kong economically and socially and has overt prejudice against Asian migrants. 

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

What if you offer and no one want to come. Not that UK any better than Hong Kong economically and socially and has overt prejudice against Asian migrants. 

The only problems that my Asian immigrant friends have had in the UK, is with Black people .

What are you basing your allegation on, that Asian immigrants face overt prejudice in the UK ?

16 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The only problems that my Asian immigrant friends have had in the UK, is with Black people .

What are you basing your allegation on, that Asian immigrants face overt prejudice in the UK ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/09/chinese-in-uk-report-shocking-levels-of-racism-after-coronavirus-outbreak

Now only in UK but also in Australia and US. I am sure you know about this but can’t help but issue a futile challenge. Many relatives of mine in UK and Australia that relate stories of verbal harassments. 

4 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

        England may not be a world power, but they still have a voice, and can use it.  China never spent years crawling from the ground, they spent years stealing, borrowing and copying Western Technology, now we are foolishly buying it back just because its cheap.

Difficult to avoid buying " made in China " goods . Even many UK companies have their articles made there . The UK Should be banning imports from China and hope other countries join in . 

At the same time China should be paying for the global covid 19 bill 

35 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Yes, those with a brain ????

......avoid it........????

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/09/chinese-in-uk-report-shocking-levels-of-racism-after-coronavirus-outbreak

Now only in UK but also in Australia and US. I am sure you know about this but can’t help but issue a futile challenge. Many relatives of mine in UK and Australia that relate stories of verbal harassments. 

Oh, yes, some (British)  people believe that  they (Chinese)are carriers of the Corona virus and thats why they got abused, That isnt racism though, because they were getting abuse because they were thought to be carrying an infectious disease .

   I thought you meant the UK was openly racist to Asians , which it isnt .

 

20 minutes ago, superal said:

Difficult to avoid buying " made in China " goods . Even many UK companies have their articles made there . The UK Should be banning imports from China and hope other countries join in . 

At the same time China should be paying for the global covid 19 bill 

China owes the world trillions and trillions of Dollars in compensation instead of handing out a few donations of facemasks

1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Yes, those with a brain ????

Whereas the brain dead prefer The Sun or Daily Mail ????

19 hours ago, Patts said:

Agreed, the World need to do more to standup for HK and Taiwan and other countries that China are bullying such as Vietnam and Philippines 

 

#MilkTeaAlliance ????

I agree. Perhaps the USA can recognise Taiwan as an independent country. 

12 minutes ago, ncc1701d said:

I agree. Perhaps the USA can recognise Taiwan as an independent country. 

Even Trump nor Boris will not have the fortitude to dip his toes into that controversial subject. They know the repercussions. Just some feeble verbal warnings. Nothing to worry Beijing.  

1 hour ago, superal said:

Difficult to avoid buying " made in China " goods . Even many UK companies have their articles made there . The UK Should be banning imports from China and hope other countries join in . 

At the same time China should be paying for the global covid 19 bill 

UK, US & EU should combine their forces and create a "Certified non-Chinese" brand and laws that require any product to disclose the percentage of Chinese labor/materials. Then tax those 1000000%.

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Consequently we all use China for our manufacturing.  Business is driven by product profitability and China still offers that in abundance.

too great of a risk, their mood swings are dangerous and hard to detect.... that's why, after 14 years in 2014, I moved my factory out of their reach and regret not doing it earlier

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Oh, yes, some (British)  people believe that  they (Chinese)are carriers of the Corona virus and thats why they got abused, That isnt racism though, because they were getting abuse because they were thought to be carrying an infectious disease .

   I thought you meant the UK was openly racist to Asians , which it isnt .

 

It has been and is still Asian prejudice and hate crimes. Risen after the 2016 referendum. You just on denial. 

3 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

UK, US & EU should combine their forces and create a "Certified non-Chinese" brand and laws that require any product to disclose the percentage of Chinese labor/materials. Then tax those 1000000%.

have been saying it for the past 8-9 years, united they could do some damage to China, it may look hard at the beginning but 5-6 months later will start to see the benefits, worth a try

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