New CDC report shows 94% of COVID-19 deaths in US had underlying medical conditions

[Maestro]

New CDC report shows 94% of COVID-19 deaths in US had underlying medical conditions

by:  Natasha Anderson 

Posted: Aug 30, 2020 / 01:11 PM EDT / Updated: Aug 30, 2020 / 01:11 PM EDT

 

 

ATLANTA, Ga. (WJW) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had underlying medical conditions.

 

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have  COVID-19  as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had underlying health conditions

 

Click here to read the CDC’s entire report 

 

Read full article: https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

[johng]

How much longer can the "Covidiocy" go on ?  time to get back to the "old normal" as quickly as possible

before the whole world implodes ????

[steelepulse]

It turns out that all those doctors that were saying the same thing many months ago were right.  Amazing how they were ridiculed by saying the majority of covids deaths were " with covid" not " from covid".

 

I wonder why something like this isn't making international news and not relegated to a local news station?   Hmmm......

 

 

[Maestro]

Twitter Removes Claim About CDC And Covid-19 Coronavirus Deaths That Trump Retweeted

Aug 31, 2020,01:22am EDT

 

When you see “only 6%” trending on Twitter, the next obvious question is “only 6% of what?” Only 6% of dogs wear shoes? Only 6% of cats are plotting to stage a coup d'état in your house? Only 6% of what Tinder profiles say is true?

 

Nope. Various Tweets were pulling the 6% number from the following passage on the “Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)” page on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website:

 

“Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

 

Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/08/31/twitter-removes-claim-about-cdc-and-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-that-trump-retweeted/#50d98ac63178

[geriatrickid]

It is rather telling when some people jump on a transparent  statement of fact and twist it out of context.

Comorbidity is a common characteristic in patient death. In plain language,  death is a culmination of multiple conditions that cause the human body to crash. This is nothing new or unique.  For example, in patients with heart disease patients will succumb to pneumonia because their lungs fill with fluid, or edema of the heart, or  multiple organ failure as their organs  are starved of oxygen. There isn't a disease in the world that doesn't have knock on damage. One of the leading causes of death of children is GI infection. The infection doesn't kill the patient directly. Rather the dehydration crashes the  vital organs and the patient then dies.

 

 Covid19 is an inflammatory disease. Patients who already have  pre-existing damage are more likely to succumb once the additional damage caused by the Covid19 takes hold. Those who claim that Covid 19 isn't dangerous because of the recent statement do not understand how a disease kills a person. 

 

4 hours ago, steelepulse said:

It turns out that all those doctors that were saying the same thing many months ago were right.  Amazing how they were ridiculed by saying the majority of covids deaths were " with covid" not " from covid".

I wonder why something like this isn't making international news and not relegated to a local news station?   Hmmm......

No. you just do not understand. The patients would not have died when they did had they not been infected with the SARS Cov19  virus.  Covid19 is the condition that ensued subsequent to the infection.  It is not making the international news for the simple reason that this is nothing new and not already known.  You and others who have a political agenda are taking the statement out of context for your political  goal. 

[oompie69]

Covid-19 as a contributing factor cause of death is not in dispute at all. Could just as well have been normal seasonal flu that was the final nail in the coffin, or pneumonia. So, yes it is old news.

What is vitally important about this information,however, and what is not old news, is that it serves to highlight which sections of the population should have been targeted for protection much earlier on.  And where financial and human assets should have been employed.

 And even more importantly, how information was used by people the public trusted to manipulate public opinion. And remember, these are all "experts" of one kind or the other.

This begs the question: Would the American people have accepted the restrictions on their freedoms if they

had this information from the start?. And will the continue to accept them? 

[Tounge Thaied]

In other words... this week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 American deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That's 9,210 deaths that are confirmed to have died from Covid. Hardly an Emergency, hardly a disaster and certainly not a Pandemic. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes. See Table 2. Comorbidities...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI
 

[timendres]

2 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

No. you just do not understand. The patients would not have died when they did had they not been infected with the SARS Cov19  virus.  Covid19 is the condition that ensued subsequent to the infection.  It is not making the international news for the simple reason that this is nothing new and not already known.  You and others who have a political agenda are taking the statement out of context for your political  goal. 

There is no political agenda in sight. There is a desire for proper policy, which is clearly not being implemented because of an ongoing absurd fear of this virus. What the CDC data is clearly showing, and it is important, is precisely what @oompie69 highlighted in the post above. We need to protect the people most at risk of this virus, and that does not require the complete shutdown of society.

[oompie69]

16 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

In other words... this week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 American deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That's 9,210 deaths that are confirmed to have died from Covid. Hardly an Emergency, hardly a disaster and certainly not a Pandemic. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes. See Table 2. Comorbidities...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI
 

Yep! And from this we can deduce that interpretation of statistical data was not a required subject for any of the CDC expert while academically qualifying themselves for the positions they hold, and get well remunerated for, I'm sure.

Edited August 31, 2020 by oompie69
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[RichardColeman]

1.3 million people die on the roads in the world each year - covid will kill about 1.2 million in a year.

 

If anyone can provide me with evidence of any country that has banned road driving, banned pedestrians walking near roads or asked everyone on or near the roads to wear a set if armor just in case I would very much appreciate it.

[oompie69]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

1.3 million people die on the roads in the world each year - covid will kill about 1.2 million in a year.

 

If anyone can provide me with evidence of any country that has banned road driving, banned pedestrians walking near roads or asked everyone on or near the roads to wear a set if armor just in case I would very much appreciate it.

Somebody is soon gonna tell you the above are not contagious, while conveniently forgetting that the whole lock-down mania, with all it has cost the taxpayer, was to prevent infections and the overwhelming of the healthcare system. If as much time, effort and money was spent on preventing road deaths, the figure you quote above will surely look much better. So, yes, you can sometimes compare apples with pears.   

[RichardColeman]

7 minutes ago, oompie69 said:

If as much time, effort and money was spent on preventing road deaths, the figure you quote above will surely look much better. So, yes, you can sometimes compare apples with pears.

Really ? I imagine over the years Thailand has spent more money on road awareness than covid awareness with completely no return on that money other than increased road death ! 

 

As for overloading the healthcare system - the healthcare system has been over loaded by people with previous conditions - mostly self inflicted such as obesity, heart disease and lung illnesses. An argument could be made that unhealthy people are in fact killing healthy ones by hogging up all the hospital beds ! 

[rumak]

4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

No. you just do not understand. The patients would not have died when they did had they not been infected with the SARS Cov19  virus.  Covid19 is the condition that ensued subsequent to the infection.  It is not making the international news for the simple reason that this is nothing new and not already known.  You and others who have a political agenda are taking the statement out of context for your political  goal. 

always this type of post from those whose "agenda",  as you call it............. is not the one supported  by a finding that comes out.    You forgot to add the "tin hat"   put down.

 

many (well some)  of us here were of the opinion long ago that those that were old or not in the best of health should be the obvious people to be isolated and kept (voluntarily)  away from "danger".

Of course part of that plan should be to keep the tragically unhealthy obese citizens away from their junk food.   Now that would really initiate some serious protests....   huff    puffffff

Edited August 31, 2020 by rumak

[Berkshire]

14 hours ago, steelepulse said:

It turns out that all those doctors that were saying the same thing many months ago were right.  Amazing how they were ridiculed by saying the majority of covids deaths were " with covid" not " from covid".

 

I wonder why something like this isn't making international news and not relegated to a local news station?   Hmmm......

 

 

I figured many would interpret this data incorrectly to support their positions.  But it's more like this:  Let's say you have diabetes.  Then you get in a car and die of an auto accident.  Well surely you can see that the diabetes didn't kill you, the car accident did.  That's what the CDC is saying.  COVID is basically the car accident.  But even more, the COVID can trigger/aggravate some of the medical conditions that you may already have.  The USA has something like 130 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, so chances are that some will be a COVID patient. 

 

The simple fact is that these people--regardless of their pre-existing condition--would still be alive if not for the COVID.

 

 

 

 

[meechai]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

The simple fact is that these people--regardless of their pre-existing condition--would still be alive if not for the COVID.

Tomato/Tomatoe

 

It is like saying Covid was the final straw.....Well yes it was & something was going to be anyway

 

I don't think it is so easy to say "regardless of their pre-existing condition"  it is not great to have pre-existing conditions period

 

Like letting your car fall slowly into disrepair ...this that & the other thing....

till it finally throws a rod....You gonna blame the rod & say well if not for the thrown rod car would be fine?

 

Car was not fine.....The rod was just the final straw ????

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by meechai

[geriatrickid]

8 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

In other words... this week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 American deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That's 9,210 deaths that are confirmed to have died from Covid. Hardly an Emergency, hardly a disaster and certainly not a Pandemic. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes. See Table 2. Comorbidities...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI
 

That is not what the CDC report states. Nor is it the conclusion of any reputable public health official.

 

8 hours ago, timendres said:

There is no political agenda in sight. There is a desire for proper policy, which is clearly not being implemented because of an ongoing absurd fear of this virus. What the CDC data is clearly showing, and it is important, is precisely what @oompie69 highlighted in the post above. We need to protect the people most at risk of this virus, and that does not require the complete shutdown of society.

 

You say the people most at risk should be protected. Fine.  Did you think your position through? I mean, really consider  what you are saying?  Let's deal only with established facts. The temporary suspension of large gatherings and high risk activities was an attempt to protect the American population. Here's why;

The USA population is 328 million.   

Now, let's look at  who are the people most at risk of dying or of complications from Covid19.  In any given year there are ;

-31 million Americans with heart disease

- 2 million Americans with a diagnosed  cancer

- 23 million Americans  with one of the 80 immuno suppressive diseases

- 37 million  Americans with a lung or respiratory disease

- 70 million+ Americans who are clinically obese

- 30 million Americans who have diabetes

- 84 million Americans who have prediabetes

- 100 million Americans who have high blood pressure

- 60 million+ Americans who are aged 60 and older

 

Many of the above conditions are present in  one person. A conservative estimate is that there are 80 million+ Americans  who are at risk. That's an awful lot of people. let's be ultra conservative and cut it down to 70 million or even 50 million people.  most of those people have friends, family, dependents  and others who would be directly impacted. Have you considered the uproar that would ensue if any US government simply said to these people, sorry you are on your own, deal with it?

 

Have you stopped to consider what happens if even only 100,000 become seriously ill at one time? Here's a hint; The New York city health system could not cope with the thousands of weekly cases that spiked in march and April. 

We are now watching  tens of thousands die off in the USA and  hospital systems shut down in the USA.

 

It is impossible to deliver proper  health care when there is an ongoing highly infectious respiratory  spread  disease. 

 

8 hours ago, oompie69 said:

Yep! And from this we can deduce that interpretation of statistical data was not a required subject for any of the CDC expert while academically qualifying themselves for the positions they hold, and get well remunerated for, I'm sure.

 

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

1.3 million people die on the roads in the world each year - covid will kill about 1.2 million in a year.

If anyone can provide me with evidence of any country that has banned road driving, banned pedestrians walking near roads or asked everyone on or near the roads to wear a set if armor just in case I would very much appreciate it.

You are not making a valid comparison.  The road deaths are preventable. Since the   above examples were US based, I will use the 38,000 US road deaths value. This number is   significantly smaller than the 180,000+ Covid19 related  deaths. The road deaths can be avoided  by safe driving, wearing a seatbelt, and not being under the influence. The vast majority of vehicle related fatalities were caused by the driver's behavior.  Many of the people who have died due to Covid19  had little control over their fate.

 

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Really ? I imagine over the years Thailand has spent more money on road awareness than covid awareness with completely no return on that money other than increased road death ! 

 

As for overloading the healthcare system - the healthcare system has been over loaded by people with previous conditions - mostly self inflicted such as obesity, heart disease and lung illnesses. An argument could be made that unhealthy people are in fact killing healthy ones by hogging up all the hospital beds ! 

 

You have completely missed the point about the impact of an infectious  disease on the delivery of medical care. Put Covid19 aside. What do you think happens when there is an outbreak of c. difficile in a hospital? Every surgical procedure is suspended, until the hospital is sterilized. every ongoing  critical care treatment is slowed down. Dialysis, chemotherapy, exploratory procedures are transferred elsewhere. This is what has occurred  with Covid 19. patients cannot be cared for because they are at high risk of infection.  Now consider the impact that Covid19 has had on healthcare delivery systems  around the world. In much of the western world,  primary care has  gone to  telephone calls. Many patients have been unable to  access medical care and when they do, there are long waiting periods and expensive hygiene precautions to follow. This is because  a large number of physicians refused to continue meeting patients. these medical care providers are  older and they themselves have underlying medical conditions.

[geriatrickid]

53 minutes ago, meechai said:

Tomato/Tomatoe

 

It is like saying Covid was the final straw.....Well yes it was & something was going to be anyway

 

I don't think it is so easy to say "regardless of their pre-existing condition"  it is not great to have pre-existing conditions period

 

Like letting your car fall slowly into disrepair ...this that & the other thing....

till it finally throws a rod....You gonna blame the rod & say well if not for the thrown rod car would be fine?

 

Car was not fine.....The rod was just the final straw ????

 

You don't get it. You have fallen for a conspiracy hoax being promoted by QAnon.

As per the ABC News/AP article that is available; " The term “Only 6%” trended widely on Twitter over the weekend as supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory promoted tweets that falsely suggested the CDC had updated its records to show that only 6% of U.S. deaths tied to COVID-19 were legitimate. President Donald Trump was among those who tweeted the information, which was later taken down by Twitter for violating platform rules."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/cdc-reduced-death-count-related-covid-19-72735707

 

 

How many times does it have to be explained to you that  infection with SARS COV-2 causes other  conditions to worsen, or  induces conditions that result in death?

 

Do you think anyone actually dies of a "cancer" ? How do you think people with dementia die or Parkinsons, or kidney disease?

Here are some common illustrations;

Brain Cancer: Causes brain blood vessels to  rupture resulting in lethal strok

Dementia and Parkinson's: Most common cause of death is pneumonia because the patient's immune system is compromised

and the diseases impairs a patients' ability to swallow, putting them at risk for inhaling or aspirating food or liquids into their lungs, leading to aspiration pneumonia.

kidney Disease: Pneumonia and starvation. The patient cannot clear fluid from the  lungs and literally drowns. The loss of appetite hastens the demise.

 

How many times does it have to be explained that no disease in and of itself must be the direct cause of death. It almost always

causes other conditions that result in death.  A Covid19 patient dies because of the impact of the  disease, not because the disease itself kills.  because Covid 19 is an inflammatory disease, the  direct manifestations wil, be heart attack, stroke, vital organ failure,  respiratory collapse etc.

 

 

I am astounded at the ease with which gullible ignorant people have so easily been manipulated by  an internet hoax pushed by the neo nazi website QAnon and parroted by trump.

[Maestro]

Removed a post with quote without link to the source.

[oompie69]

4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Many of the people who have died due to Covid19  had little control over their fate.

But many possibly did have.

Bad lifestyle choices, (drinking too much and excessive smoking or substance abuse, to name but a few) and bad nutritional choices are recognized as main contributors to the rise  in chronic illnesses in most developed countries.  The abundance of junk-food franchise restaurants and take-aways in the USA is evidence to support the fact that a very large number of USA citizens are obese,and many are recognized as being morbidly so. It is also no secret that drugs of all shapes and hues can be had on any street corner in major cities. Not to even mention, the prescription drug abuse that is pervasive in that society.  

So, even if a large portion of this group inherited their susceptibility to one of the main causes of premature death, for the reasons I mentioned in the first paragraph did they really have so little control of their fate? 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by oompie69
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[checkered flag]

Covid 19 has been hyped from the beginning. No doubt it accelerates the demise of some, but the real CODs are underlying conditions that were on their way to making things fatal. I've thought all along that one needs to compare deaths during Covid 19 minus normal death rates to get an accurate picture. Sure people are getting sick but most recover. 

One thing that bothers me is that many needy patients have not had required treatments because of isolation and focus on Covid 19. 

The normal flu also acts as an accelerator with weakened patients but could be blunted this year because of face masks, hand washing and social distancing. I can only hope.

 

[86Tiger]

5 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

 

 

".......How many times does it have to be explained that no disease in and of itself must be the direct cause of death. It almost always

causes other conditions that result in death.  A Covid19 patient dies because of the impact of the  disease, not because the disease itself kills.  because Covid 19 is an inflammatory disease, the  direct manifestations wil, be heart attack, stroke, vital organ failure,  respiratory collapse etc......."

 

 

 

As I am reading most every one is in agreement with you.

 

The point being all these persons with existing conditions, i.e. the high risk group, should have been isolated from the general population immediately in order to limit potential vector of the disease entering their system.

 

Instead the entire world was put on lock down inflicting economic depression and disruption the depths of which are not completely realized but potentially will negatively impact the world for years.

 

[Sujo]

I see that even after geriatric kid patiently correctly interpreted and explained the findings that there are still people out there that believe only alternative facts spewed out by conspiracy sites.

[checkered flag]

2 hours ago, oompie69 said:

But many possibly did have.

Bad lifestyle choices, (drinking too much and excessive smoking or substance abuse, to name but a few) and bad nutritional choices are recognized as main contributors to the rise  in chronic illnesses in most developed countries.  The abundance of junk-food franchise restaurants and take-aways in the USA is evidence to support the fact that a very large number of USA citizens are obese,and many are recognized as being morbidly so. It is also no secret that drugs of all shapes and hues can be had on any street corner in major cities. Not to even mention, the prescription drug abuse that is pervasive in that society.  

So, even if a large portion of this group inherited their susceptibility to one of the main causes of premature death, for the reasons I mentioned in the first paragraph did they really have so little control of their fate? 

 

Exactly. Despite the worlds most advance health care systems, some people test fate with their lifestyles and personal abuses. It's not just illicit drugs because many abuse legal drugs and doctor shop until they get what the want. The result are many unhealthy people that require an inordinate amount of resources.

[checkered flag]

7 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

You don't get it. You have fallen for a conspiracy hoax being promoted by QAnon.

As per the ABC News/AP article that is available; " The term “Only 6%” trended widely on Twitter over the weekend as supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory promoted tweets that falsely suggested the CDC had updated its records to show that only 6% of U.S. deaths tied to COVID-19 were legitimate. President Donald Trump was among those who tweeted the information, which was later taken down by Twitter for violating platform rules."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/cdc-reduced-death-count-related-covid-19-72735707

 

 

How many times does it have to be explained to you that  infection with SARS COV-2 causes other  conditions to worsen, or  induces conditions that result in death?

 

Do you think anyone actually dies of a "cancer" ? How do you think people with dementia die or Parkinsons, or kidney disease?

Here are some common illustrations;

Brain Cancer: Causes brain blood vessels to  rupture resulting in lethal strok

Dementia and Parkinson's: Most common cause of death is pneumonia because the patient's immune system is compromised

and the diseases impairs a patients' ability to swallow, putting them at risk for inhaling or aspirating food or liquids into their lungs, leading to aspiration pneumonia.

kidney Disease: Pneumonia and starvation. The patient cannot clear fluid from the  lungs and literally drowns. The loss of appetite hastens the demise.

 

How many times does it have to be explained that no disease in and of itself must be the direct cause of death. It almost always

causes other conditions that result in death.  A Covid19 patient dies because of the impact of the  disease, not because the disease itself kills.  because Covid 19 is an inflammatory disease, the  direct manifestations wil, be heart attack, stroke, vital organ failure,  respiratory collapse etc.

 

 

I am astounded at the ease with which gullible ignorant people have so easily been manipulated by  an internet hoax pushed by the neo nazi website QAnon and parroted by trump.

We didn't go to the same medical school. Total nonsense.

[Tounge Thaied]

8 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

9,210 deaths that are confirmed to have died from Covid

Let us continue to keep it simple shall we. Your entire post is opinion and supposition. I provided simple verifiable facts from the CDC website that support the OP... Get over it. 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Tounge Thaied
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[chessman]

3 hours ago, 86Tiger said:

The point being all these persons with existing conditions, i.e. the high risk group, should have been isolated from the general population immediately in order to limit potential vector of the disease entering their system.

 

All good in theory but would it be practically possible? Certainly not in March or April with so many unknowns. Sweden kept things open more than most countries but completely failed to protect their elderly care homes.

 

 

[Tounge Thaied]

10 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Nor is it the conclusion of any reputable public health official.

I don't need a government agency to think for me. I can come to my own factual, verifiable conclusions based on their data. You're free to check my work and dispute the facts... 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Tounge Thaied
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[meechai]

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

You don't get it. <snipped to save space>

I am astounded at the ease with which gullible ignorant people have so easily been manipulated by  an internet hoax pushed by the neo nazi website QAnon and parroted by trump.

Thanks but I get it fine it is you who don't "get it" & the reason is obvious...

Your so blinded by your need to push left vs right rhetoric

Just put the left/right wing aside & no need to call folks you don't know ignorant just because their not a political zealot like yourself

 

I stand by my last straw analogy

I have not seen or known anyone in "good health" meaning no pre-existing conditions/ poor health who had a Covid19 infection & died

Instead they recovered...period

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by meechai

[rumak]

14 hours ago, meechai said:

Car was not fine.....The rod was just the final straw ????

or maybe the last super size big mac meal they just put into their gas tank

[rumak]

3 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

You're free to check my work and dispute the facts...

check or not check......... dispute will be forthcoming.   so easy to suss out the zealots who stick

to their guns even as they are constantly pulling the trigger even before the gun gets out of the holster.

oops, shot in the foot again