Trump on defensive as critics seize on reports he insulted U.S. veterans

[Paul Henry]

No longer unnamed sources 4 highly respected people have stated Trump did denigrate the war dead. He is on record calling both Bush and McCain losers after both were shot down by enemy of the USA. This man is the only loser his whole life has been one of lying, cheating and stealing. Trump is also on record saying he would not trust or believe anything Bolton says. Seems OK now to believe him because its in Trumps favour, what will Trumps excuse be when his long time lawyer and fixer spills the beans on the debauched life of Donald Trump.The only way he wins elections is by cheating and he is at it again in 2020.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

BS story. Four anonymous sources. So far, ten named sources have called BS, including John Bolton.

John Bolton said ‘I didn’t hear that’.

 

Which is neither a confirmation nor a denial of ‘that’ being said.

 

Meanwhile the disgraceful comments attributed to Trump are entirely consistent with what Trump said of John McCain and those comments are a matter of public record.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[PatOngo]

7 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

Politics is a liars sport...Dems take everything to the toilet level...

Stormy Daniels has more integrity than Donald Trump! He paid her to hide the truth! Remember that?

[Emdog]

Fox news national security correspondent confirmed the story

[Chomper Higgot]

Every single one of Trump’s supporters in this thread resorting to accusation those they disagree with of being ‘Trump Hater’ and or ‘Haters’.

 

I’m not sure how such uniformity in choice of inflammatory language arises, let alone how anyone believes the use of such language might win over those who they are ‘in discussion’ with.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

Neither John McCain, Tammy Duckworth, nor any other veteran or "Gold Star Families" are exempt from criticism. It that were the case, my veteran status would come in quite handy here.

There is a world of difference between ‘criticism’ and ‘denigration’.

 

For an example of the latter see the public record for Trump denigrating S. John McCain’s military service.

 

That said, you have my sincere respect and gratitude for your service.

[TopDeadSenter]

17 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Fox news national security correspondent confirmed the story

Do you have a link for this? As posted before Fox anchor Judge Jeanine posted concrete proof (an official document from the fateful day) proving bad weather was the reason Trump could not attend. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Do you have a link for this? As posted before Fox anchor Judge Jeanine posted concrete proof (an official document from the fateful day) proving bad weather was the reason Trump could not attend. 

Who authorized the ‘official document’?

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump denigrates everyone except his support base, no reason to believe veterans should be exempt from his winner/loser thought process.

His support base is blissfully unaware he probably regards them as losers too.

 

Its not that simple. 

 

In 2016 the current should never have been president beat Clinton by 25 percent among active duty service people in Florida. 

 

That group swung the election in Florida and other close states as well.

 

Even before this latest reveal of garbage thinking from 45 polling of that group already shows president likely to be elected Biden ahead!

 

So Biden's lead will grow due to this.

 

It's no wonder that the white house sees the Atlantic Magazine reveal as a real and major threat to their reelection hopes. 

 

Because it is.

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Jingthing

[TopDeadSenter]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Who authorized the ‘official document’?

 

 

United States Marine corp military aide to the President.

 

Now, who are these 4 anonymous sources? I suspect they are entirely made up. Trump loves the military, this story has no credibility whatsoever. Will the Atlantic be the latest media outlet to smear conservative figures and be forced to pay millions when the truth comes out.

[englishoak]

1.) This accusation is 2 years old already, but no one said anything before now. 

 

2) The timing is right on the election cycle. Polls matter and anons of he said will abound. Just as any election

 

3) Sources are all anonymous..no one actually is giving first hand evidence, names, dates etc

 

4) Even the MSM are careful with wording suggesting "if Trump said" or could have said etc not that he did. Context matters. 

 

5) No POTUS has been so pro military since Reagan and is constantly praising the forces not denigrating them. There is not one incident to suggest Trump is anything but the most patriotic and military supportive POTUS for 40 years +

 

Those who want it to be true will have no trouble believing it or anything else levelled against Trump, those actually considering the above would probably find it less credible than the Russia collusion fiasco.

 

Its pretty certain its fake news, if there were real evidence it would have been thrown out there long ago. but this is the election so anything can and will be claimed and most of it anon source says, just as last time... 

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, englishoak said:

1.) This accusation is 2 years old already, but no one said anything before now. 

 

2) The timing is right on the election cycle. Polls matter and anons of he said will abound. Just as any election

 

3) Sources are all anonymous..no one actually is giving first hand evidence, names, dates etc

 

4) Even the MSM are careful with wording suggesting "if Trump said" or could have said etc not that he did. Context matters. 

 

5) No POTUS has been so pro military since Reagan and is constantly praising the forces not denigrating them. There is not one incident to suggest Trump is anything but the most patriotic and military supportive POTUS for 40 years +

 

Those who want it to be true will have no trouble believing it or anything else levelled against Trump, those actually considering the above would probably find it less credible than the Russia collusion fiasco.

 

Its pretty certain its fake news, if there were real evidence it would have been thrown out there long ago. but this is the election so anything can and will be claimed and most of it anon source says, just as last time... 

Nonsense, trump constantly publicly smears and undermines those in the military who disagree with him. trump ignores the recommendations of senior military officers and has had to U-turn on more than a few occasions, especially in Syria where he had handed the advantage to the Russians and Turks, thereby betraying the Kurds. Highly likely to be proven at a later stage trump 'supports' the military for purely selfish motives, which is his track record, not for the 'common good'.

[nobodysfriend]

Especially now , at this time , just before the elections , everything Trump says will be closely analyzed and used against him if possible ...

The best would be he just stops talking and ' twittering ' ...

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  

 

[klauskunkel]

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

The same haters are gonna still hate, they’ve been doing it for years now. 

The Hater in Chief getting some hate himself...

[mtls2005]

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

John Bolton said ‘I didn’t hear that’.

 

I love how, in times of need, John Bolton is a reliable character witness.

 

Yet, when his book came out in July he was unreliable (and called worse here).

 

Strange that.

 

 

 

 

[jingjai9]

Gossip or news, can't tell anymore, nevertheless  most people bite.

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Emdog said:

Fox news national security correspondent confirmed the story

Indeed and the sleazeball should never have been president is demanding that she be fired.

He's much more like a mafia boss than a president.

I can't even process any Americans that still support him.

But I do understand Putin's support.

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

"He's a draft-dodger in chief who despises the men and women he supposedly leads. He insults their deaths and injuries with his contempt,” it said.

This kind of stuff will resonate with Americans, especially those affiliated with the military.  This will be incredibly damaging to Trump as the US military had typically been supportive of the GOP.  More will come out to expand on Trump's disrespect for military personnel.  Trump believes that people who serve in the military are too stupid to make it in the private sector.  And he can't fathom why anyone would risk their lives for causes that don't benefit themselves. 

 

[The President, who received a draft deferment for bone spurs, has suggested in those conversations that Vietnam veterans didn't know how to exploit the system to get out of serving.]

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/trump-vietnam-war/index.html

 

[chilli42]

Even Trump is not stupid or self destructive enough to disparage military and veterans as a group.  This whole story is just not credible.  This coming from a person who has no positive regard for Trump at all.  

[Brickbat]

Who hasn’t he insulted. Even his dumb base , and they love it

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 

Well it was fun while it lasted. But like the Russia collusion fiasco, the Smollett lynching and the Sandmann racist kid it was too good to be true. Not that truth ever played a part in the irrational hatred of Donald Trump.

 

Sky News host Paul Murray says the biggest example of fake news played out in the United States in the last week and leveled unfounded and wrong attacks at President Donald Trump. Far left-wing publication, The Atlantic, released an article written by four nameless people who suggested Donald Trump didn’t want to go to a war cemetery in France because those who died in war are “losers” and “suckers”. The unsourced story, with no names and big claims, became mainstream after it was talked about by presidential hopeful Joe Biden, Mr Murray said.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6188224532001

 

 If anybody is interested in conclusive proof this is fake news, see 3.34 on this video and you will see hard evidence the trip was cancelled due to bad weather. 

 

 And final proof this is fake news, is witness and Trump hater John Bolton who was actually there at the time this supposed event happened said he did not hear anything like the accusations.

 

Epic fail!

 

I'm just wondering when you will be putting Trump's name forward at the Vatican to start the canonization process.

[ThaiFelix]

Nothing new here, Trump insults everybody, and especially himself every time he opens his mouth.

 

I am not an American and I don't know a lot about American politics, right, left, far left, up, down or far out lol.  I wouldn't find it easy to provide any sources or links to prove a point on US politics, republican or democrat.  But what I do believe and trust is my eyes and ears.  Anybody with even low to medium intelligence levels can see, after watching and listening to Trump's own words and gestures on TV news or YouTube etc, that he is an insult to a man's intelligence and should certainly not be the leader of any group of people let alone a country.

 

It is also plainly obvious that a man of his integrity, or lack of, has not got to be where he is through his staunch support of the American people, their culture, and their constitution, but is a puppet of big money who have financed his rise through big handouts, propaganda and lies to achieve their own selfish corporate goals.  That's just my observation as an outsider.

[bendejo]

31 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

The same haters are gonna still hate, they’ve been doing it for years now. 

 

What's wrong with hating a monster?  When you see an Alien movie do you cheer for the xenomorph?

How do you feel about Hillary Clinton, or Greta Thunberg, or Adam Schiff, or (brace yourself) AOC?

 

 

[englishoak]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I read and believe what people such as Mattis have to say about trump, not his internet supporters who have no personal knowledge of the man. Sad when trump supporters advocate betraying an US ally who lost so many lives fighting IS - there again confirms the true nature of America First ideology under trump.

 

I prefer to watch what people do rather than say, Mattis is a classic war hawk, nothing less and has no more credibility than anyone else on or off the net, Generals lie, its part of their job role to do so.  Why on earth should American lives not come first to America ?  Everyone lost lives fighting IS who did, the Kurds were/are trying to secure a homeland and thats the agenda for them, others have differing objectives. Personally pulling out imo is by far the best for American lives, it dosnt need the mess and should have gone home long ago and that includes the whole region.. but yknow... war mongering Bushes Clintons, Obama policies did otherwise. Some are far too used to meddling in the ME,  Luckily Policies can change when leaderships change and the USA is no different, thats nothing new just you dont like the change because its Trump setting policy thats all.

 

To embark on a different foreign policy brings other options, it can make make others used to having the USA doing their work for them think again. Like for instance Israel and the Arab nations making peace. America dosnt have to fight wars to stay or be strong. Trump as much as you might hate him is not a war president, even though the left have been screeching muh Orange hitler etc. Call me old fashioned but I like peace, peace is good and I hope we see peace breaking out all over the ME and the region after decades of wasted lives. 

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Every single one of Trump’s supporters in this thread resorting to accusation those they disagree with of being ‘Trump Hater’ and or ‘Haters’.

 

I’m not sure how such uniformity in choice of inflammatory language arises, let alone how anyone believes the use of such language might win over those who they are ‘in discussion’ with.

 

 

Imo with some it’s an algorithm with some others it’s instructions from their employers and some others it’s their go to (safe spot)when they are cornered and can’t respond more constructively 

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, Brickbat said:

Who hasn’t he insulted. Even his dumb base , and they love it

 

In Michael Cohen's new book trump unloads on evangelicals.

 

Cohen writes that before winning the presidency, Trump held a meeting at Trump Tower with prominent evangelical leaders, where they laid their hands on him in prayer. Afterward, Trump allegedly said: “Can you believe that bulls–t? Can you believe people believe that bulls–t?”

 

 

And he's all over Steve Jobs widow (she has a stake in The Atlantic's parent publisher I guess) for the initial story.

 

Trump appears to call for harassment of Steve Jobs’s widow in wake of contentious Atlantic article

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-appears-to-call-for-harassment-of-steve-jobss-widow-in-wake-of-contentious-atlantic-article-2020-09-06

 

 

It's simply amazing that the average trump supporter - not the millionaires - think he loves them. He disdains them.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by mtls2005

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Im well aware, but that’s not evidence of trump insulting dead troops for no reason, as reported. 

So what you're really saying is that trump insulting troops who gave their lives doesn't matter. Really?

[Jingthing]

56 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Nothing new here, Trump insults everybody, and especially himself every time he opens his mouth.

 

I am not an American and I don't know a lot about American politics, right, left, far left, up, down or far out lol.  I wouldn't find it easy to provide any sources or links to prove a point on US politics, republican or democrat.  But what I do believe and trust is my eyes and ears.  Anybody with even low to medium intelligence levels can see, after watching and listening to Trump's own words and gestures on TV news or YouTube etc, that he is an insult to a man's intelligence and should certainly not be the leader of any group of people let alone a country.

 

It is also plainly obvious that a man of his integrity, or lack of, has not got to be where he is through his staunch support of the American people, their culture, and their constitution, but is a puppet of big money who have financed his rise through big handouts, propaganda and lies to achieve their own selfish corporate goals.  That's just my observation as an outsider.

You forgot to mention his bizarrely curious relationship with Putin. The one he will never criticize. Hopefully someday the reasons for that will come out.

 

Saying he is a puppet of big money is something you could say about all mainstream Republicans and most democrats as well.

 

That's too easy.

 

The corruption of con man president is at an entire other special level .

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

In Michael Cohen's new book trump unloads on evangelicals.

 

Cohen writes that before winning the presidency, Trump held a meeting at Trump Tower with prominent evangelical leaders, where they laid their hands on him in prayer. Afterward, Trump allegedly said: “Can you believe that bulls–t? Can you believe people believe that bulls–t?”

 

 

And he's all over Steve Jobs widow (she has a stake in The Atlantic's parent publisher I guess) for the initial story.

 

Trump appears to call for harassment of Steve Jobs’s widow in wake of contentious Atlantic article

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-appears-to-call-for-harassment-of-steve-jobss-widow-in-wake-of-contentious-atlantic-article-2020-09-06

 

 

It's simply amazing that the average trump supporter - not the millionaires - think he loves them. He disdains them.

 

 

Absolutely. Just some more marks and suckers to him that he has lied to and used as he has done during his entire career.

 

How one man can take a great nation down the drain is remarkable but not unprecedented in history.