Brexit brinkmanship: EU orders UK to scrap plan for treaty breach, UK refuses

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The US responded with disgust? 

 

Only that senile old bint Pelosi. And only because her thought process is so neanderthal that she equates Boris with Trump. She'll be long gone by the time the US deal is finalized, same as Bolock Obama was following his 'back of the queue' comments that helped secure Brexit.

You should really take those Brexit glasses off, to break up an already sealed deal is not done. It shows complete disregard of international law. Even someone on your own government resigned as he did not want to do it. I guess Brexiteers don't care about laws.

 

However in the Scot independence thread they said the scots have to wait. Why do others have to uphold laws but you lot does not ? 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Like everyone abandoned Thailand following the coup?

 

Money talks. Virtue signalling walks. 

Thailand never had a name for being trustworthy. Could be expected from countries like this. The UK used to have a good reputation. If you can't see the difference something clearly is wrong.

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

International negotiations move very slowly in order to get things right because it is absolutely vital that a country keep its word. Countries that don't keep their word include North Korea, for example.

 

If the UK doesn't keep its word in these negotiations, then why would anyone expect them to keep their word in any other future negotiations? If other countries don't believe that the UK will keep its word, then why would they negotiate with the UK at all? 

 

All those 'magical' trade deals the Brexiteers claimed would save the UK? Up in smoke. 

 

This is the single dumbest move I have ever seen.

 

Seriously, the dumbest.

 

 

1) International negotiations move very slowly: these negotiations are moving at a glacial place. Why? Perhaps because the EU is not actually negotiating "in good faith" ( after all, that is it's treaty obligation) but rather attempting to obstruct the UK's departure by insisting on retaining control, and continued jurisdiction, over a significant number of areas of the UK's economy. "The EU orders the UK..."

 

2) The EU, in failing to negotiate " in good faith", and attempting to limit the UK's control over these parts of it's economic activity, has consistently broken it's word. Now the cry goes up "The UK is breaking it's word. Parliament is sovereign, and if Parliament decides that it wishes to change the UK's stance in reaction to EU intransigence, then it has the absolute right to do so.

 

I do understand that Parliamentary sovereignty is entirely alien to the way that the unelected cabal who run the EU's "government"( and indeed to its chief negotiator, M. Barnier who is after all a French Gaullist politician) - that is one of the main reasons for the UK deciding to leave. To compare the decisions of an elected government, made in cabinet and approved by an elected parliament, in open debate reported on by a free press, with the machinations of the North Korean regime is really quite bizarre!

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[Matzzon]

4 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Therein lies the problem: EU ORDERS THE UK....God, please, leave now!

No, there is no problem with that. They order UK to end breaking an already done deal. The problem is that little Boris, do not understand that he is shooting himself in the foot. First he announce himself as a deal maker and the one that takes UK out of EU. After that he decides to trash all deals and scrap it all. Makes one start to think about schizophrenia. 

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

Thailand never had a name for being trustworthy. Could be expected from countries like this. The UK used to have a good reputation. If you can't see the difference something clearly is wrong.

You seem to have missed my point.

 

Thailand's name is not particularly trustworthy and yet countries like Japan, the USA, UK etc. still do loads of business with them.

 

Changing a couple of clauses on a lopsided treaty that the other side has already broken is hardly going to see countries treat the UK like a Pariah state. It's just typical Remainer dummy spitting. Classic over-reaction.

[vogie]

It would seem that anti-democratic Gina Miller is todays Brexit hero. Gina Miller tried to overturn Brexit in the Supreme Court and it turned out that the Supreme Court ruled that Parliament has sovereignty over international treaties, so let us all put our hands together and say a big thank you to Gina.????????????????

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by vogie

[vogie]

23 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And I’ll be saying a big thank you to your parliament if it uses its sovereignty to break international laws so we can impose fines and sanctions. 

Like Barnier you think you own us, you do not and nor will you ever. Barnier has negotiated in bad faith from day 1 and now you will pay the price for his incomptesence. 

[luckyluke]

All Hard Brexiters here are telling the same thing since a while :

"Mr. Johnson get out now"

However he doesn't do it.

Maybe one day.

In the meantime " Muscles Show" on both sides, but no negotiation stop.

We all have our own opinion about this fact.

I even expect some will find it hilarious.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Like everyone abandoned Thailand following the coup?

 

Money talks. Virtue signalling walks. 

The gold standard against which British Democracy and Governance is to be measured, coups in third world countries.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Like Barnier you think you own us, you do not and nor will you ever. Barnier has negotiated in bad faith from day 1 and now you will pay the price for his incomptesence. 

Johnson moves to renege on an international treaty he himself signed and you introduce ‘bad faith’ in his defense.

 

 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson moves to renege on an international treaty he himself signed and you introduce ‘bad faith’ in his defense.

 

 

Barniers bullyboy tactics has backfired, brace yourself europe, you're in for bumpy ride.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

It would seem that anti-democratic Gina Miller is todays Brexit hero. Gina Miller tried to overturn Brexit in the Supreme Court and it turned out that the Supreme Court ruled that Parliament has sovereignty over international treaties, so let us all put our hands together and say a big thank you to Gina.????????????????

 

 

 

Can you please provide a link to the cut and paste content you have included in this post.

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

brace yourself europe, you're in for bumpy ride.

Maybe.
My Briton "friends" will soon be able to show me their new passport, and telling that they escape from the E.U. tyranny.

I will have to admit that we, Belgians, are still under the yoke of the E.U., and no new passport to show, but that I can show my pension.

[david555]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Maybe.
My Briton "friends" will soon be able to show me their new passport, and telling that they escape from the E.U. tyranny.

I will have to admit that we, Belgians, are still under the yoke of the E.U., and no new passport to show, but that I can show my pension.

now that is a nasty remark ????…..(some of them deserve it anyway ???? ) as they need trick-address in U.K. to keep it unfrozen ….while yours is payable in the whole world no limitations where you go live ….even better than a Dutch passport for that case .

 

PS:  about the tyranny ….. they just are under Boris & co dictatorship now 

[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The gold standard against which British Democracy and Governance is to be measured, coups in third world countries.

 

Where did I say Thailand set the standard? ????

 

On the contrary, I was highlighting that even a much worse example doesn't cause much of a problem. In other words, if other countries like Japan and the US don't even care about a military coup overthrowing a democratically elected government, they're hardly going to be worried about the UK changing a couple of clauses in a treaty that the other side has already broken.

 

But then, you already knew that.

[luckyluke]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

now that is a nasty remark

Really,

everything is relative.

For me I consider it a Flemish humor.

Maybe some will find it hilarious, and I will get a "Haha" emoticon. 

[izod10]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Yea they are damaging their own future by going against international law. Soon the phrase as untrustworthy as a Brit will be coined. Let see how they get trade deals if their partners know they go back on their words. 

You from Holland?  Going to get v difficult there .  International law? you do not know what you are on about,nothing international about it, its UK domestic.          So so good for the UK  so very good

[jonclark]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Remainer? ????????????

Yes, but as a firm beleiver in the democratic process and the principles that underpin it, I accept the decision of the majority. However, many who voted to leave seem (it appears) rather disillusioned with the brexit process and the decisons of those who claim to be acting UKs interests, as a soveriegn nation.  Why is that I wonder. Could it be that their promises have turned out to be as shallow and vacuous as those of a snake oil salesperson? and their ability to deliver is just non-existant.  I may have wished the UK to remain in the EU, but having departed the UKs shores many, many years ago (an original Brexiter one might say) I have very little invested in the UK being in or out of the EU. Other than personal opinion. I lost the right to vote on such matters a long time ago.  

 

I think what Brexit has proven is the the UK and the British people are very easily divided and clearly are not as unified and strong as we like to think we are. A fact you have reinforced with your use of emojis. 

[david555]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Really,

everything is relative.

For me I consider it a Flemish humor.

Maybe some will find it hilarious, and I will get a "Haha" emoticon. 

now .....I would thought you would recognize sarcasm in my reply ????

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, izod10 said:

International law? you do not know what you are on about,nothing international about it, its UK domestic.         

Will you brexiteers ever do your homework before making of fool of yourself in front of everyone? You’re using your computer to post nonsense; is a quick google search really that far away? 
 

The Withdrawal Agreement is, of course, international law. 
 

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[JonnyF]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson moves to renege on an international treaty he himself signed and you introduce ‘bad faith’ in his defense.

 

 

Good faith was part of the agreement. The EU already reneged on this by making completely unreasonable demands that failed to respect the UK's sovereignty.

 

Barnier's tactics have backfired. He's failed.

 

[jonclark]

34 minutes ago, vogie said:

Barniers bullyboy tactics has backfired, brace yourself europe, you're in for bumpy ride.

 

You think? Without a trade deal the UK will probably have a far more diffcult ride than the EU. Most of the UKs food, medicine and raw materials are imported  (from the EU) and without a trade deal - (and at the moment the UK have a solitary trade deal with Japan i beleive) the cost of all imports will increase - which means higher consumer prices and also UK exports will dip as they too will become less competative. If a deal was never important, why spend so much time trying to get one. Do not beleive Boris's bluster - he is absolutly bricking it and praying that the EU blinks first...which I do not think for one moment they will.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Good faith was part of the agreement. The EU already reneged on this by making completely unreasonable demands that failed to respect the UK's sovereignty.

 

Barnier's tactics have backfired. He's failed.

 

You need to provide evidence to back your assertion.

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Good faith was part of the agreement. The EU already reneged on this by making completely unreasonable demands that failed to respect the UK's sovereignty.

You’re pretty much alone with your creative definition of what constitutes good and bad faith. You could as well claim that elephants are small and green. You’re just ridiculing yourself, as so so often. Good luck finding an international court agreeing with you. 

 

[david555]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Good faith was part of the agreement. The EU already reneged on this by making completely unreasonable demands that failed to respect the UK's sovereignty.

 

Barnier's tactics have backfired. He's failed.

 

Your best sovereignty would be just to do  all you like..., by your own …..on your own ….. but 4 years already yelling you are leaving , which you did  …. but are  still sitting on that table trying to get what you wish to carry  with you , but not liking the conditions to get it 

So now very soon it shall be set on a stop .

 

E.U. is now just watching the steps be 100% legal to win their case and avoiding making  mistakes in legallity

[Chivas]

The odious Johnson could well fall over this.

The Tory rebellion is growing for any Commons vote and former Tory leader Micheal Howard has stated that subsequently getting it through the House Of Lords is likened to somewhere between Bob Hope and no hope.

The oaf has gone too far this time. He cant U turn on this one and nor can Gove....

 

Which leads to the question was this attempt to break international law deliberately perpetrated by Johnson knowing he would have to stand down on its failure to pass, which it clearly will

 

Sunak or Jeremy Hunt by November.....

[luckyluke]

2 minutes ago, jonclark said:

I think what Brexit has proven is the the UK and the British people are very easily divided and clearly are not as unified and strong as we like to think we are.

 

The Leavers won.

 

However with a 52-48 result.

 

Not what usually is called a landslide.

 

One should expect that with such a result, the winners would not be too enthusiastic about their winning.

 

At the end nearly 1/2 of the population with one opinion, have to live with the other half with a different opinion.

 

Instead of that we see more a " Woe to the vanquished " attitude.

 

 

[luckyluke]

16 minutes ago, david555 said:

now .....I would thought you would recognize sarcasm in my reply ????

Did you? ????

[vogie]

42 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Maybe.
My Briton "friends" will soon be able to show me their new passport, and telling that they escape from the E.U. tyranny.

I will have to admit that we, Belgians, are still under the yoke of the E.U., and no new passport to show, but that I can show my pension.

Strange, you have never mentioned your pension before.

[david555]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Did you? ????

????