20 killed after train collides with bus in Thailand

[jvs]

4 minutes ago, Almer said:

It sounds like the under belly of the bus grounded

Clearly from the video it did not.

[Megasin1]

What a sad and tragic loss of life and so sad for the families as they have to take their loved ones away that now have to bare this loss as it is trawled across the news. It is the scourge of social media that all of this is on public display whilst they have to cope with the fallout. 

[colinneil]

Just now, Almer said:

It sounds like the under belly of the bus grounded

You need to study the video, bus never grounded, driver did not stop.

[chang1]

2 minutes ago, Almer said:

It sounds like the under belly of the bus grounded

That's what the driver/bus company would like you to think. Look at the video and the truth is a little different. 

[worgeordie]

The Bus driver...I can do it.....I can do it.....I think i can do it.....Oh Sh*ttttttt !! .

RIP the folks that unnecessarily lost their lives.

[Almer]

2 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

What a sad and tragic loss of life and so sad for the families as they have to take their loved ones away that now have to bare this loss as it is trawled across the news. It is the scourge of social media that all of this is on public display whilst they have to cope with the fallout. 

Stand corrected

[Almer]

2 minutes ago, chang1 said:

That's what the driver/bus company would like you to think. Look at the video and the truth is a little different. 

I stand corrected

[cardinalblue]

Engineering protocol over human decision making every time aka the land of the U turns...

 

third world country validated....

[TKDfella]

My condolences to the families of the dead passengers. 20 Dead in one accident...and I wonder how many of the others will survive their injuries. Very sad indeed.

[chang1]

2 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

What a sad and tragic loss of life and so sad for the families as they have to take their loved ones away that now have to bare this loss as it is trawled across the news. It is the scourge of social media that all of this is on public display whilst they have to cope with the fallout. 

So you would prefer no-one found out about this sort of thing making it easy to cover up mistakes? 

If one of my relatives was one of the casualties I would want the world to know what really happened rather than it to have been put down to a problem with the tracks. The video showed the bus never stopped - I would want to know why.

Far from a scourge, it can help get to the truth. Obviously not all social media is good but it is still developing so, hopefully, will get better.

[teacherclaire]

1 hour ago, outsider said:

 

When one crosses a road, one looks right, left and right again before crossing, no? You don't walk onto the road blindly, especially when cars and motorcycles are zipping along. What I don't understand is, how and why drivers in Thailand think going over an open train crossing is any different. How hard is it to stop, look, listen and go? Furthermore, Thai trains don't travel that fast - one can certainly see a train coming and there is ample time to stop and let the train pass before proceeding. Really, really bloody beggars belief, this one.

 

 

Unfortunately, do Thai bus drivers have to do very long shifts. If they protest, they can look for a new job.

 

The only company I'd choose is NCA; they do have two drivers.

 

 Pretty often, not only the drivers are to blame. You can only drive for a certain amount of hours, and then your reaction is as bad as the brakes and the tires.  

 

But that's not an excuse, such an accident should never happen. 

 

[Old Croc]

28 minutes ago, colinneil said:

33 minutes ago, Almer said:

It sounds like the under belly of the bus grounded

You need to study the video, bus never grounded, driver did not stop.

Not even at the stop sign which can be clearly seen in the video.

[Mike Rodik]

 

zoom in on warning lights, seems out to me...

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Mike Rodik

[chang1]

19 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

The Bus driver...I can do it.....I can do it.....I think i can do it.....Oh Sh*ttttttt !! .

RIP the folks that unnecessarily lost their lives.

At that speed he would have known he could not make it. I  suspect he didn't see the train. The question is why and how can it be prevented in the future? 

Before ignorantly blaming the driver, look deeper into the circumstances that came together for him to not see or react to the train. Could someone else have saved those lives by having a barrier installed? Was there a list of bus tours on the nearside window that the bus company said had to stay despite it blocking the side view? etc. etc.

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, decca60 said:

I am not a specialist but 60 people on board sounds like overloaded bus and not everybody having a seat...... I don't even think about seatbelts....

utter madness.....

I've just been thinking the same it looks like single decker bus I've never traveled on a bus in Thailand if I wanted to die I'd rather be driving myself

[DrTuner]

And then they want to build high speed trains. Might just as well start shooting the buses with tanks.

Edited October 11, 2020 by DrTuner

[Kaopad999]

This is extremely sad... RIP to those poor souls. ???? 

Let's not make judgement until their there is a full investigation into the accident. 
Maybe the driver was very sick?  extremely tired due to long working hours?  Maybe the warning lights at the crossing were not working?  
many possibilities... 



 

[chang1]

8 minutes ago, Mike Rodik said:

 

zoom in on warning lights, seems out to me...

 

 

The stop sign is still in working order though.

[natway09]

Very, very sad, but the bus driver must have been, blind, deaf (&/or) stupid

[ChipButty]

I cant see if the warning signals were working but then again it's like everything in never works due to lack of maintenance 

[mickyr55]

Watching the video the bus never stops moving forwards right up until it was struck by the train. 

Therefore the underside of the bus did not ground on the "uneven" ground it just pulled straight in front of the train  no problem with the brakes or anything else except the driver seemingly 100% at fault. 

 

[chang1]

6 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

This is extremely sad... RIP to those poor souls. ???? 

Let's not make judgement until their there is a full investigation into the accident. 
Maybe the driver was very sick?  extremely tired due to long working hours?  Maybe the warning lights at the crossing were not working?  
many possibilities... 



 

It's more speculation than judgement. We should be able to voice an opinion when people can find quotes like

 

"On the Thai news they claimed the following:

 

* No crossing barrier, but lights were flashing. Driver could not hear the train whistle. Probably had the music cranked up.

 

* Apparently the bus got caught on its undercarriage as the track was not level. If this is true the rail company also bears responsibility"

 

Especially as new evidence like the videos are found. 

[ChipButty]

My wife has just come home and she said more have died check the Thai news

[chang1]

3 minutes ago, mickyr55 said:

the driver seemingly 100% at fault. 

Or it was someone else's fault that the driver was faulty. 

[mickyr55]

17 minutes ago, chang1 said:

At that speed he would have known he could not make it. I  suspect he didn't see the train. The question is why and how can it be prevented in the future? 

Before ignorantly blaming the driver, look deeper into the circumstances that came together for him to not see or react to the train. Could someone else have saved those lives by having a barrier installed? Was there a list of bus tours on the nearside window that the bus company said had to stay despite it blocking the side view? etc. etc.

If the driver was unable to see if there was a train coming or not surely his responsibility to the 60 passengers was to stop and maybe ask one of them to get out and check, quite easy to save 20 lives isn't it. 

[Tarteso]

HORRIBLE!!!!  RIP. Sad for the victims and their family. 

[Rimmer]

A troll post and a reply have been removed

[tandor]

3 hours ago, khunPer said:

There is a Youtube video of the accident, probably from a CCTV surveillance camera, in which it seems like there are warning lights, but I cannot see on the video if they were signalling...

 

 

...how about the guy in brown shirt and shorts..casually walks up and stands and looks at the wreckage..couldn't care a less about running to help !!

[DekDaeng]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Apparently the bus got caught on its undercarriage as the track was not level. If this is true the rail company also bears responsibility.

Not true. Bus had slowed, but was still moving forward at time of impact. 

 

Therefore not stuck.

[josephbloggs]

3 minutes ago, tandor said:

...how about the guy in brown shirt and shorts..casually walks up and stands and looks at the wreckage..couldn't care a less about running to help !!

Easy to criticise when you are not there.  Of course you would immediately spring in to action, running towards it and saving lives heroically.  Some people go into stunned shock, some don't know what to do, some might not truly realise the gravity of what has just happened, and until you are put in a similar situation no-one knows how they will react.  (Apart from you of course who would react positively and heroically).