How are the bars, restaurants, agogos, massage shops, gentleman clubs and any business doing during covid?

[VBF]

17 hours ago, rott said:

Leaver basically we have different experiences of the place and different ideas of what is the norm. 

Many of those I know (or knew) did construction work  for example for agencies who were happy to have them work for six months or so and then go away for similar. Others did two jobs, their main aim being to spend as much time as possible here. And many were retired, early retired or semi-retired. Offshore workers "on rotation" make up a fair number. 

Long stay.? To me would be people spending upwards of three months a year here, be it one visit or three. 

If you have never experienced any of this, well so be it. 

Well I fit that pattern, being a former contractor and now retired. When I was working I went "balls to the wall" un the UK summer to allow myself 3 months or more in Thailand in the UK winter. As my own employer, it was "up to me" and purely financially driven.

Now I'm retired, that applies only more so. Most of the people I know personally fit that pattern but then one tends to associate with similar people, in the main.

@HashBrownHarryI agree - I'd love to be in Pattaya now, with fewer crowds and a good choice of "entertainment". Regarding the latter, I follow another forum, just for those addicted to Pattaya (sic) and I'm pretty sure there's plenty to go around! ????

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, rott said:

NO

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1154987/thailand-length-of-stay-of-foreign-hotel-guests/

Average length of stay is 9 to 10 days.

2 hours ago, rott said:

Sez you

Says the stats.

If you have a link to show otherwise, I would be interested to see it.  

 

[rott]

They will be normal tourists who spend time in different places and in the main are not into bars, go-go's etc. 

You think that many people do a long-haul flight for a two week holiday, well feel free to carry on thinking that. You have obviously spoken in your regular visits to the ghetto, to lots of people who do this. As I have said your experience is different to mine. 

[EVENKEEL]

Soi 8 & Beach Rd has 45 bht bottles of Leo, 50 bht for Heinekin till 1800. Insanely cheap and nice ambiance.

[treetops]

42 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Average length of stay is 9 to 10 days.

So a guy that visits Pattaya for 4 weeks and has a night in Bangkok at the start and finish has three hotel stays averaging 10 days each.  Statistics can tell whatever story you want.

[Leaver]

7 minutes ago, treetops said:

So a guy that visits Pattaya for 4 weeks and has a night in Bangkok at the start and finish has three hotel stays averaging 10 days each.  Statistics can tell whatever story you want.

Are you forgetting the millions of Chinese package holiday tourists?  Do they stay a month?  

[treetops]

6 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Are you forgetting the millions of Chinese package holiday tourists?  Do they stay a month?  

I was making the point that the statistics can be made to promote different points of view.  They do not provide definitive proof for one case or the other.

[Leaver]

11 minutes ago, treetops said:

I was making the point that the statistics can be made to promote different points of view.  They do not provide definitive proof for one case or the other.

Did you consider statistics can come from Immigration, not hotels?  Such statistics would be reasonably accurate, visa runners aside.   

[jacko45k]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

Average length of stay is 9 to 10 days.

That seems to be only for hotel guests. Longer stayers will likely not use hotels as much.

[Leaver]

16 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

That seems to be only for hotel guests. Longer stayers will likely not use hotels as much.

Perhaps we need to clarify at what duration of stay a tourist ceases to be a tourist and becomes a long stayer, and then an expat.

Example: Is someone staying here for 6 months a tourist, a long stayer, or expat?   

[rott]

On 3/12/2021 at 7:10 PM, Leaver said:

What do you call "long stay?"

To be long stay, that would tend to indicate they don't work, as in, retired. 

 

What about all those younger mongers, under 60 years of age here. Do you think the yare long stay punters as well?   

 

Are the majority of punters to Pattaya all unemployed?  ????

 

Leaver have you ever actually had conversations with UK people in the bars in the Buakhao/LK area.?

If you have, have you really never spoken to any who fit the descriptions I and others have spoken about.? Very difficult to believe. 

[treetops]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

Did you consider statistics can come from Immigration, not hotels?  Such statistics would be reasonably accurate, visa runners aside.   

They may be accurate but they certainly don't prove your theory.

[rott]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

Are you forgetting the millions of Chinese package holiday tourists?  Do they stay a month?  

You were saying that the average farang socialising in the "ghetto" area only stays for two weeks. (load of bollards as everyone but you knows) 

What have the Chinese package tourists got to do with that. 

They only go to the likes of Walking St to gawp at places, they do not go drinking in LK etc. 

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, Leaver said:

Perhaps we need to clarify at what duration of stay a tourist ceases to be a tourist and becomes a long stayer, and then an expat.

Example: Is someone staying here for 6 months a tourist, a long stayer, or expat?   

For me if he goes home regularly I could not say Expat. 

A person planning to go home is a tourist.

[VBF]

9 hours ago, jacko45k said:

For me if he goes home regularly I could not say Expat. 

A person planning to go home is a tourist.

Possibly, an Expat is someone who lives in Thailand whether on an "O" extension, or a series of Tourist Visas. He/she regards Thailand as "home".

OTOH, a Tourist is someone who always plans to "go home" at the end of his/her trip.

One could say that "Long Stayer" describes all Expats and any Tourists who have to extend their Tourist Visas beyond the initial period.

Just my opinions of course. ????

[rott]

On 3/7/2021 at 11:53 PM, Leaver said:

 

Everything they need is here, but nowhere in the abundance they would be akin to.  Now, do they need an abundance, probably not, would some postpone their holiday until there was an abundance, probably yes. 

 

What would you say to someone that liked to dance in the nightclubs in Walking Street? 

 

You you seriously recommend to friends to come here now for a 2 week holiday, even if there was no quarantine?  Do you think they would be disappointed when they got here? 

 

We are used to it here now, but for the 2 week millionaires, they would be disappointed for sure. 

 

 

But we are not discussing YOU.  We are discussing tourists, and Thailand's tourism industry.  

Further to my earlier response to this post, I would not recommend anywhere to anyone. If people want to try Thailand and Pattaya they can find out for themselves like I did. 

And as for the YOU, up you too. 

[Leaver]

On 3/14/2021 at 12:39 AM, rott said:

Leaver have you ever actually had conversations with UK people in the bars in the Buakhao/LK area.?

Yes.  Why do you only mention the Soi Baukhao area?  We are talking about Pattaya.  

On 3/14/2021 at 12:39 AM, rott said:

If you have, have you really never spoken to any who fit the descriptions I and others have spoken about.? Very difficult to believe. 

Have you never spoken to a young person, from any country, that has a job and bills to pay in their home country, but holidays to Pattaya a couple of times a year?  If not, very difficult to believe.  

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Leaver

[Leaver]

On 3/14/2021 at 12:43 AM, treetops said:

They may be accurate but they certainly don't prove your theory.

The link shows the average length of stay for a tourist is 9 to 10 days.

 

Do you have a link that shows otherwise?  

[Leaver]

On 3/14/2021 at 1:09 AM, rott said:

You were saying that the average farang socialising in the "ghetto" area only stays for two weeks.

Did you not see the words TOURISTS and PATTAYA????

 

On 3/14/2021 at 1:09 AM, rott said:

What have the Chinese package tourists got to do with that. 

They made up the majority of TOURISTS to PATTAYA pre covid.  

On 3/14/2021 at 1:09 AM, rott said:

They only go to the likes of Walking St to gawp at places, they do not go drinking in LK etc. 

You are learning.  Keep at it.  ????

[treetops]

4 minutes ago, Leaver said:

The link shows the average length of stay for a tourist is 9 to 10 days.

 

Do you have a link that shows otherwise?  

The example I posted at the top of this page demonstrates that your link may be accurate but does not prove your point about two week tourists.

[Leaver]

On 3/14/2021 at 7:28 AM, jacko45k said:

For me if he goes home regularly I could not say Expat. 

A person planning to go home is a tourist.

Are "snowbirds" who possibly have their own condo here, tourists?

Is someone here for 6 months, also renting a condo, a tourists?  

I accept someone who doesn't plan on returning to their home country is an expat.  

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Are "snowbirds" who possibly have their own condo here, tourists?

Is someone here for 6 months, also renting a condo, a tourists?  

I accept someone who doesn't plan on returning to their home country is an expat.  

Depends what Visas they use too. But generally I see them as tourists.... but not the average tourist.

[TaaSaparot]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Depends what Visas they use too. But generally I see them as tourists.... but not the average tourist.

If you have a Tourist Visa, then you are a Tourist ... end of

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

If you have a Tourist Visa, then you are a Tourist ... end of

I tend to agree.....

[Leaver]

20 hours ago, rott said:

Further to my earlier response to this post, I would not recommend anywhere to anyone. If people want to try Thailand and Pattaya they can find out for themselves like I did. 

And as for the YOU, up you too. 

Would you recommend coming to Pattaya, right now, to someone who has been here many times before?  

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, treetops said:

The example I posted at the top of this page demonstrates that your link may be accurate but does not prove your point about two week tourists.

How does staying in different hotels prove average length of stay?  

If stats are sourced from Immigration, average length of stay is average length of stay.  

[Leaver]

57 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Depends what Visas they use too. But generally I see them as tourists.... but not the average tourist.

Do you think "not average tourists" spend and spread their money in the same way tourists do?

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, TaaSaparot said:

If you have a Tourist Visa, then you are a Tourist ... end of

Yep, I used to stay up to 9 months a year on a tourist visa

[Leaver]

20 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Yep, I used to stay up to 9 months a year on a tourist visa

Some may say that just made you a 9 month tourist.   ????

[HashBrownHarry]

3 hours ago, Leaver said:

Would you recommend coming to Pattaya, right now, to someone who has been here many times before?  

Absolutely.

 

Why would n't you?