UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

You are perfectly free to interpret anything you read in any way you want, doesn't make it fact.

 

The so called "Australian terms" is another Bojo lie.

The UK cannot leave on "Australian terms", although there is a high probability that will be where they end up.

Australia already has a multitude of agreements with the EU so the UK cannot possibly be in the same position Jan 1st. Australia is currently trying to negotiate an FTA with the EU, something else the UK is about to abandon.

If Australia doesn't like it's arrangement with the EU, why would the UK?

 

Going back on what is promised has become so common with the brexit brigade that people now see it as par for the course.

Once again you are going off on a different topic

Can we assume that you agree with the main media outlets that the EU  contingency proposals  contain  also the agreement of a level playing field Which you claimed was garbage 

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

It may happen.

One never know, there is no guarantee.

Despite that The Titanic 

was build in Belfast, chief designer the Briton Thomas Andrews Jr., operated by the British shipping company White Star Line, it sank on the first voyage.

 

  It didnt , it was the already damaged sister ship that sunk, it was an insurance fraud .

Do a google search

[CorpusChristie]

49 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Will you be shedding a little tear when we hand over some of our sovereignty to the WTO? 

 

  Which "sovereignty" are you referring to ?

[luckyluke]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Do a google search

I did, seems a conspiracy theory, but than maybe not.

[david555]

43 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  It didnt , it was the already damaged sister ship that sunk, it was an insurance fraud .

Do a google search

Whatever conspiracy theory you believe ...., it was  a British designed ship  ....and that "damn Iceberg" would not divert for a  "rule Britannia waves ship "  coming .....( Iceberg probably didn't see the flag ....????.....) ????

[david555]

48 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Which "sovereignty" are you referring to ?

That question shall be answered after total brexit  ends i guess .....no!  i am sure !....next headache for Boris ... (if still in charge )

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Whatever conspiracy theory you believe ...., it was  a British designed ship  ....and that "damn Iceberg" would not divert for a  "rule Britannia waves ship "  coming .....( Iceberg probably didn't see the flag ....????.....) ????

 

  If you read the story , it seems to make sense , it all fits .

Anyway , you seem to using the sinking of a ship as a celebration , because it was a UK design , which is rather unpleasant and immature.

  Will be be gloating about the Concord crash next ?

[david555]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If you read the story , it seems to make sense , it all fits .

Anyway , you seem to using the sinking of a ship as a celebration , because it was a UK design , which is rather unpleasant and immature.

  Will be be gloating about the Concord crash next ?

Not the sinking

.... only comparing the steering to a disaster when even knowing icebergs are around .... typical blind self-assurance  as for now with Boris as the captain on the  Brexit-coaster  ????

 

 

BTW  .... nice try to put it in a bad way .... keep learning 

[CorpusChristie]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

Not the sinking

.... only comparing the steering to a disaster when even knowing icebergs are around .... typical blind self-assurance  as for now with Boris as the captain on the  Brexit-coaster  ????

 

 

BTW  .... nice try to put it in a bad way .... keep learning 

Comparing Brexit with the Titanic ?

I will raise you a :

Comparing Brexit to World War 2 , they both took about the same amount of time and the end results are the same  .

[david555]

32 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Comparing Brexit with the Titanic ?

I will raise you a :

Comparing Brexit to World War 2 , they both took about the same amount of time and the end results are the same  .

Only your comparing cost much ...much ..more lives .......but as a  brexiteer it is not a problem to do so ....only not as opposit camp concerning Titanic ....????

 

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Edited December 13, 2020 by david555

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Which "sovereignty" are you referring to ?

 

The sovereign right to make our own rules.

That was one of the things Brexit was about right?

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

The sovereign right to make our own rules.

That was one of the things Brexit was about right?

 

  If we agree to any E.U demands , that will indeed be making our own rules 

That would be our choice

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If we agree to any E.U demands , that will indeed be making our own rules 

That would be our choice

No. I'm talking about the WTO.

Are you expecting to go into the WTO and start telling them what you will and will not accept?

 

????

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

No. I'm talking about the WTO.

Are you expecting to go into the WTO and start telling them what you will and will not accept?

 

????

 

  No, the WTO rules  are clearly stated and already agreed upon , there will be no discussion or negotiating , it will be an over ready transition 

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No, the WTO rules  are clearly stated and already agreed upon , there will be no discussion or negotiating , it will be an over ready transition 

So a real loss of sovereignty .......no discussion or negotiating......we need to have a vote and withdraw from these onerous rules imposed on us by an unelected body....(as soon as we have joined).

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No, the WTO rules  are clearly stated and already agreed upon , there will be no discussion or negotiating , it will be an over ready transition 

 

So we will have to abide by the rules set by a bunch of unelected Johnny Foreigners?

Wow. 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So we will have to abide by the rules set by a bunch of unelected Johnny Foreigners?

Wow. 

 

   Its a World agreement , which we have agreed to . 

We are a member of the WTO and happily abide by the rules

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Its a World agreement , which we have agreed to . 

We are a member of the WTO and happily abide by the rules

 

So handing over some of our sovereignty to the WTO who then dictate the rules we have to abide by and we have no say in what those rules are is preferable to having remained in the EU where we had a say on what the rules were?

Taking back control?

[CorpusChristie]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

So a real loss of sovereignty .......no discussion or negotiating......we need to have a vote and withdraw from these onerous rules imposed on us by an unelected body....(as soon as we have joined).

 

 We joined the WTO in 1995 and were members of the proceeding GATT since 1948 .

The discussions and negotiations finished in 1995

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Comparing Brexit with the Titanic ?

I will raise you a :

Comparing Brexit to World War 2 , they both took about the same amount of time and the end results are the same  .

 

Europe got their freedom back and the UK was in financial ruins for years?

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So handing over some of our sovereignty to the WTO who then dictate the rules we have to abide by and we have no say in what those rules are is preferable to having remained in the EU where we had a say on what the rules were?

Taking back control?

 

  The UK is part of this World , having agreements with other Countries in the world is no loss to sovereignty .

The whole World agreed to the WTO terms , why should the UK be any different ?

The loss of sovereignty in regards to the E.U was the lack of control of our borders , the WTO agreement doesnt dictate to us who can and cannot enter the UK

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  The UK is part of this World , having agreements with other Countries in the world is no loss to sovereignty .

The whole World agreed to the WTO terms , why should the UK be any different ?

The loss of sovereignty in regards to the E.U was the lack of control of our borders , the WTO agreement doesnt dictate to us who can and cannot enter the UK

It works both ways.

 

If its no issue to have a no deal why is it taking years to leave. Just leave. Instead the UK has been trying for a deal.

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, Susco said:

 

No he only isn't in denial about something that made the headlines.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/11/boris-johnson-snubbed-by-merkel-and-macron-after-requesting-phone-calls-about-brexit-deal

UK prime minister Boris Johnson tried to set up calls with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French president Emmanuel Macron to discuss a Brexit deal but was rebuffed to present a united front, it has emerged.

Johnson attempted to arrange calls with the leaders of the European Union's two biggest economies on Monday ahead of his crunch talks over dinner with European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels.

 

 

A senior EU official confirmed that the request had been made but that the UK premier had been refused and told that all negotiations must be done through the European Commission.

Classic EU intransigence. Is anyone surprised ?

 

Zese are zee rules. You muzt comply wiz zeze rulez or face zee consequence Mizterr Johnson.

 

Fair play to Boris for thinking outside the box to get a deal done but this is the Franco German led protectionist racket we are dealing with. Lucky he had his papers with him or he might still be there.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Classic EU intransigence. Is anyone surprised ?

 

Zese are zee rules. You muzt comply wiz zeze rulez or face zee consequence Mizterr Johnson.

 

Fair play to Boris for thinking outside the box to get a deal done but this is the Franco German led protectionist racket we are dealing with. Lucky he had his papers with him or he might still be there.

 

And now having our trade dictated to us by unelected foreigners in the WTO.

[david555]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Classic EU intransigence. Is anyone surprised ?

 

Zese are zee rules. You muzt comply wiz zeze rulez or face zee consequence Mizterr Johnson.

 

Fair play to Boris for thinking outside the box to get a deal done but this is the Franco German led protectionist racket we are dealing with. Lucky he had his papers with him or he might still be there.

Sadly for Boris  the "divide and rule "  had no chance this time    .....? as decades of English diplomacy was before 

Edited December 13, 2020 by david555

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It works both ways.

 

If its no issue to have a no deal why is it taking years to leave. Just leave. Instead the UK has been trying for a deal.

 

  We have left, we left left the E.U on 20 th January 2020 .

It does work both ways , why are the E.U continuing with talks ?

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

And now having our trade dictated to us by unelected foreigners in the WTO.

 

   You posted that 20 minutes ago, using slightly different words 

[Rookiescot]

10 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  The UK is part of this World , having agreements with other Countries in the world is no loss to sovereignty .

The whole World agreed to the WTO terms , why should the UK be any different ?

The loss of sovereignty in regards to the E.U was the lack of control of our borders , the WTO agreement doesnt dictate to us who can and cannot enter the UK

 

But the WTO rules are dictated to us. We cannot change them. We get no say. 

But now we get to the crux of the matter eh? Brexit is all about immigration which is something you Brexiteers have always strenuously denied. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   You posted that 20 minutes ago, using slightly different words 

 

Because you keep skirting the issue.

Why is it preferable to have rules dictated to us when as part of the EU we got a say in the rules?

[david555]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  We have left, we left left the E.U on 20 th January 2020 .

It does work both ways , why are the E.U continuing with talks ?

Because Boris fooled us ....promised  walking away  .... but never did .... keeps coming and above all ....phoning Merkel  ,Macron & Ursula  VDL for diners appointments ????

Edited December 13, 2020 by david555