CCSA offers incentives like visa extension to make up for 14 days lost in quarantine

[mike1967]

12 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said:

Sorry I didnt answer the question, it look as though they will just need to applt for the COE, which proves you have booked quarantine, have health insurance etc etc..

 

 

Thanks. I guess the problem is, it only takes something very minor to go wrong then the whole process collapses. You get the COE, the 90 day STV, all relevant bookings, Covid insurance and tests from the UK with fit to fly certificate, then the airline changes or cancels your flight, BA being the prime example. I'm stressed just thinking about it.

Edited December 18, 2020 by mike1967
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[sungod]

13 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Most people in the world get 20 to 25 days holiday per year.

 

Who in their right mind will lose 10 or 14 days of that stuck in a hotel.......along with losing 2 or 3 for flights.........so a total of 13 to 17 days lost out of their entitlement of 20 to 25 days ???????

 

Madness.

 

If  quarantine is in place........no tourists will visit........end of story.

 

They need to stop this ongoing nonsense......... just stay shut down until Nov 1st 2021 and stop talking about nonsense of quarantine..............

 

It's all about choice

[khunjeff]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

CCSA spokesperson Dr Taweesin Visanuyothin said that since December 1, the authorities have been conducting three Covid-19 tests on people under quarantine, instead of two. The previous set up was to test individuals between the third and fifth day and then again between the 11th and 13th day. Under the new system, visitors will be tested on the first day, then between the ninth and 10th day and then again on the 13th or 14th day.

 

A friend just arrived on December 10 - which according to my calendar came after December 1 - and is only being tested on the 5th and 13th days. I realize that's a sample of only N = 1, but there seems to be some disconnect here.

 

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Private hospitals, which have been contracted to test people in alternative state quarantine (ASQ), have been asking the government for more funds.

 

Why do they need any Government funds? A substantial portion of each ASQ bill is going to the partnered private hospital, so the cost of testing is paid in full by the traveler, and the costs of treatment or isolation in case of a positive result are paid for from the mandatory $100k insurance.

 

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Meanwhile, tourists who are unable to travel within the time period specified in the certificate of entry (CoE) will be granted an extra 24 hours. If the travel can be completed within 72 hours after the original timeframe, then a new CoE will not be required.

 

I don't follow this 24/72 thing. Does this mean that you can commence travel up to 24 hours after your originally scheduled departure time and arrive in Thailand up to 72 hours after the scheduled arrival time?

 

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Meanwhile, tourists who arrive on cruise ships and complete their 14-day quarantine on board will be allowed to extend their visa by another 15 days.

 

I've never heard of any cruise anywhere that stops at a single port for more than two days, and I'm not aware of any cruise ships at all operating at the moment.

 

18 hours ago, webfact said:

The apps will also be linked to smart wristbands

 

Wristbands that don't currently exist.

[PGSan]

18 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Dont expect any opening up until November 2021 at the earliest.   Which means mandatory quarantine until then.

 

I see British Airways has  just cancelled all Bangkok flights until 1st November 2021.    Thai Airways remains "shut down".........no point them starting up until the country opens up.

 

November 2021 is the "target" time for mass tourism to "resume".  Until then..................unless you like 14 days (or in time for Chinese New Year  a reduced 10 days) in "prison"...........AVOID.

How do you know all this in such detail?  Or is this yet more unjustified and unexplained speculation? 

[PGSan]

1 hour ago, mike1967 said:

BA being the prime example. 

BA seem to have stopped the stupid practice of allowing one to book on flights that are not going to operate! 

They are also now explicitly closing many destinations: roll on reality!

Edited December 18, 2020 by PGSan

[jossthaifarang]

1 hour ago, mike1967 said:

Thanks. I guess the problem is, it only takes something very minor to go wrong then the whole process collapses. You get the COE, the 90 day STV, all relevant bookings, Covid insurance and tests from the UK with fit to fly certificate, then the airline changes or cancels your flight, BA being the prime example. I'm stressed just thinking about it.

Unfortunately that beyond anyones control, but you can cut out the STV application from the process, which will give you enough time to get everything in order. I'm sure if your flight goes tits up they will help you at the embassy, but it looks like the whole process is being done online now for COE. Biggest problem with Airline canceling is losing your ASQ booking and money you paid for that.

[PGSan]

14 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Most people in the world get 20 to 25 days holiday per year.

 

What world is this?   More bizarre and misleading ‘facts’ I suspect!

[phantomfiddler]

This is all somewhat like cutting one's leg off to cure a sprained ankle ???? Sadly the people in charge just do not care about the millions of their citizens involved in the tourist industry.

[Bangkok Barry]

1 hour ago, jossthaifarang said:

Every one of you moaning about and ridiculing their efforts, just thinking about yourselves. Consider the fact that many younger expat parents (yes we are not all on our last legs) come over her to see their grandchildren at Chrismas, this is good news for them.

 

Might not make Christmas but It's better than nothing... Take a look at the bigger picture every once in a while guys.

 

I'd question many. How many do you know?

[JesseHumphry]

Reducing quarantine from 14 to 10 days defeats the entire purpose of quarantine. The observation period of 14 days ensures that the subject is disease free over the whole incubation period of the virus. 

It's a bit like trying to get 9 women to have a baby in one month.

[PGSan]

3 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

How many do you know?

How many are known is totally unrelated to the actual number.   I ‘know’ no one who comes here fir a few weeks vacation, but there are (sorry, were,  many millions of these.  There really are, however,  many contributors to this forum who have families here, but cannot currently visit them.  Note that, beyond their presence here, I know no such people either.  

 

Knowing people is simply irrelevant to their existence.

[jossthaifarang]

4 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

I'd question many. How many do you know?

6 in total including myself 7, thats 14 happy grandparents. Thats just people I know personally, I don't have thousands of friends but I'm sure there are a good few more. Thats not including all those who do have more than a month leave each year, or work for themselves etc etc..

 

The glass is'nt always half empty, most of you are on here just looking for thing to complain about...

[Bvor]

19 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Dont expect any opening up until November 2021 at the earliest.   Which means mandatory quarantine until then.

 

I see British Airways has  just cancelled all Bangkok flights until 1st November 2021.    Thai Airways remains "shut down".........no point them starting up until the country opens up.

 

November 2021 is the "target" time for mass tourism to "resume".  Until then..................unless you like 14 days (or in time for Chinese New Year  a reduced 10 days) in "prison"...........AVOID.

can you please provide the reference you rely upon re the November 2021 "target"

[David Garden]

Those free visa people come from very  high infected countries.... no way.... this government is just playing with fire for a few dollars.

Thai GDP do not fully rely on tourism....so why doing this, to please a lobby ?

All those announcement are just a way to keep people hopeful however nothing will come out ....

 

[robertson468]

This Government sadly has no idea on how to administer the Tourist Industry.  They have failed to recognise that the biggest deterant by far is the mandatory quarantine period, despite, it would appear that arrivals have had the vaccine and are in possession of a certificate to confirm they have received it.  Bonkers!

[ChakaKhan]

man---1 step forward--2 steps back---welcome to the thai dance

 

I recall the old days of trying to keep up with the visa revolving door..but this is a hot mess

 

Seems there are too many "indians" and not enough "chiefs".....too many cooks ruin the stew......

 

Im too confused to even keep track and as much as I want to return don think I can keep track let alone gamble on it all falling into place with this mirage of a clear path back.......like walking in a hot desert seeking shelter and seeing a mirage of a 7-11 and as u get closer its gone--poof!

 

Interesting to see how thais think as to how tourists actually see LOS as to how inviting they think it is(TAT) and how they expect us to flood the zone or the rich have any interest in coming there......all that glitters in not gold.

 

And how long they can squeeze out the economy and locals that depend on tourism and the farang income, of course they offer up ideals to fill their pockets and offer us the crumbs in return they are getting a reality check.

 

Chinese---rich folks--ASQ--bracelets---apps--paperwork and stacks of it....reminds me of the touts in PATTS that flick the paper ad scams to get you into the bar and once paid cover and get past curtain the truth is revealed.

 

Keep at it LOS..we are on to you and the internet is worldwide, harder to push the illusions of the past..the secrets of your magic tricks have long been revealed....cut your losses and stop biting the hand that feeds....

 

Im holding out to ditch ASQ and insurance and Im in......is like when the cops set up a mbike helmet checkpoint and I stop 100 meters up the road as I spot them and they wait 100 meters waiting for them to snatch me..

 

Keep throwing rice at the wall and see what sticks....in the end we all know how much we need each other...

[Wytchend]

No one is coming?........don't they get it?

Smart countries might start to resume incoming tourists who have received the vaccine next year?

Of course that'll not include LOS. They will be the last no doubt?

[Isaan sailor]

World travelers to Thailand, “No thanks.”

[grumpy 4680]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

The CCSA has also issued a new list of 56 countries and territories whose citizens do not require a visa and can live in the Kingdom for up to 30 days.

                                   Countries with rampant covid crisis.

                              How much madder can a Government get.

         If the corrupt Government officials gave back all they have pilfered, there would be no panic for tourist's to return.

[outsider]

If I'm not mistaken, Malaysians never needed visas to come to Thailand. This is according to a Malaysian friend. So where is the news here?

 

And even if they do have 30 days of annual leave (which I doubt many have), they are not going to splurge everything on what is actually just a two-day holiday in the Land of Scams (14 days quarantine in Thailand, another 14 days quarantine back in home country + two free days in Thailand).

[madmen]

19 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Dont expect any opening up until November 2021 at the earliest.   Which means mandatory quarantine until then.

 

I see British Airways has  just cancelled all Bangkok flights until 1st November 2021.    Thai Airways remains "shut down".........no point them starting up until the country opens up.

 

November 2021 is the "target" time for mass tourism to "resume".  Until then..................unless you like 14 days (or in time for Chinese New Year  a reduced 10 days) in "prison"...........AVOID.

Link to BA cancelled flights to Bangkok thanks 

[Awinkl]

20 minutes ago, ChakaKhan said:

Im holding out to ditch ASQ and insurance and Im in......is like when the cops set up a mbike helmet checkpoint and I stop 100 meters up the road as I spot them and they wait 100 meters waiting for them to snatch me..

 

Keep throwing rice at the wall and see what sticks....in the end we all know how much we need each other...

I am totally WITH YOU on that one - ready to go ...... when THAT happens!!

[Chongalulu]

13 hours ago, bermondburi said:

They just don't get it. You can give all the extra time in the world but no tourist in their right mind is going to pay through the nose to spend 15 nights of their holiday in jail. 

 

I'm in quarantine right now. It's shxx. I'm only doing it because I've got 9 weeks off work and I've not seen my family since January. I'm still pixxxd off at losing those 15 nights. 

 

I came on a 777 with Emirates. There were maybe 30 people on the whole plane. 

 

You can dress it up any way you like but quarantine = no tourists. 

You’re quite correct. I’m in a  4 star hotel which is very good and everything is very high standard and comfortable but no way would you do it for anything other than for several months stay . Emirates too - A380 full from uk but like you 10% loading on flight to Bangkok.

[Bvor]

hotel quarantine is the big problem. BA and Thai airways can be replaced with other airlines/routes if necessary.

chinese, indians and russians (mass tourism?) are not dependent on these airlines......even me stranded in oz - I won't do ASLQ prison time as it is. 

[Isaan sailor]

Nice try, but they still won’t come for 14-day quarantine.  Waste of time.

[NoshowJones]

15 hours ago, smedly said:

They still aren't getting it

 

It's hard to believe that government ministers running a country can be so delusional 

 

Most people I know come here for a 2-3 week holiday (mostly 2 week), very few can take 4 weeks and for sure not 6 weeks 

 

exception being those who are self employed or retired 

 

"It's hard to believe that government ministers running a country can be so delusional". Remember that the unelected "PM" and his generals are mostly ex soldiers who are trying to run the country by default, and just don't have the brains or education to do otherwise. 

[moe666]

17 hours ago, batata said:

who is stupid enough to book a 30 day vacation but has the right to enjoy only 15 days out of it  and having to spend the other 15 days in a supervised "jail" and paying for it

More than you think

[Truth Will Set You Free]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

CCSA offers incentives like visa extension to make up for 14 days lost in quarantine

When are they going to get it, you can’t make up 15 days of time. Now if you are going to pay for all the expensive including air travel to get here, then I just might consider. A first class round trip ticket, 5 star hotel in Bangkok for the 15 days, top chef meals like prime steak & lobster, and  the cost for the $100,000 insurance coverage for a years. Yeah, I would consider on these terms Mr/Ms CCSA.  It takes two stupid persons to think the same way. ????????????????????????????????????????????

 

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The revisions come as the tourism-reliant economy struggles to encourage more domestic activity, but an ongoing travel ban continues to keep most foreign tourists away.

 

"The entry of tourists will stimulate the economy," Foreign Ministry spokesman, Tanee Sangrat, told Reuters.

What does one have to do with the other FM? Think about this, when there was tourist, the Thais were not  traveling like they are now. They final have a chance to see their country and spend some of that tourist money they claiming they don’t have. So keep on giving them 4 days holidays and telling them tourist will be coming before they spend all their money.  We foreigners can see through that stupidity. ????????????????see????????????????????????????????????

[Elkski]

Are you guys all crazy wanting no quarantine?   Just think what would happen if covid hits BKK with one traveler on the crowded BTS.  It will shut down the whole country and economy.   Right now the economy is at 70-80% .    People are able to go about their lives in relative safety.   Why would Thailand risk this?

Yes they should be giving more support to the unemployed.    How many of those unemployed were reporting income and paying taxes?

Edited December 18, 2020 by Elkski

[Salerno]

3 hours ago, mike1967 said:

... then the airline changes or cancels your flight, BA being the prime example. I'm stressed just thinking about it.

 

Not much of an issue if you book a flight with airlines that are actually on the official list  as per here and avoid those selling flights speculatively; BA wasn't on the list and have finally made a commercial decision to delay resuming flights until next November (at the present time).
 

3 hours ago, khunjeff said:

I don't follow this 24/72 thing. Does this mean that you can commence travel up to 24 hours after your originally scheduled departure time and arrive in Thailand up to 72 hours after the scheduled arrival time?

 

They're basically giving you an extra day of validity for the COE i.e. if for some reason your flight was delayed you could still fly within 48 hours without needing to get a new COE, they're talking increasing it to 72 hours which makes sense as a delay is likely to screw up the timing of your PCR test so now you've a better chance of getting a new one within the timeframe.

 

1 hour ago, madmen said:

Link to BA cancelled flights to Bangkok thanks 

 

https://www.godsavethepoints.com/british-airways-route-suspensions-2021/

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/ba-halts-sydney-bangkok-flights-to-oct-2021-axes-kuala-lumpur

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Salerno
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