Should tbere be legalised casinos in Pattaya?

[NCC1701A]

this might lead to prostitution. 

[xxoahu22]

20 hours ago, redwood1 said:

 

Casinos only throw charities a bone ever so often at best....

 

The only winners are the Casinos the land owners, well paid management and some employees.....Everyone else is a loser.......

 

The winner who can walk away with their winnings and not come back are a drop in the bucket.......

 

Gambling breeds despair and poverty.....

False. Huge tax revenues and hugely beneficial to the Native Tribes that have casinos in the US

[SiamRead]

17 hours ago, newnative said:

   Yes, and I like the idea of free entrance for foreign passport holders and a 3000 baht entrance fee for Thais.

Yes, with similar rules at the 2 Casinos in Singapore. Well regulated ????

[Surelynot]

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

With dancing fairies and elves!

Plus unicorns......got to have unicorns.

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

"run by the government." you mean The unelected "PM" and his crew???? They will just spend most of their time sitting round tables and making up stupid rules, then the next day, sitting round that same table and changing them, and so it will go on.

I know.....sad isn't it?......so many things......socialism, communism, religion.....all work well as long as there are no human beings involved.

[GrahamJ]

1 hour ago, Darkside Gray said:

There are casino's in Vietnam and it works fine, Only non Vietnamese allowed in, foreigners only.

 

Thats not correct the Corona casino on Phu Quo Island, Vietnam was opened in 2018 and allows locals to enter and play. It was the first casino to be given the license and its part of a 3 year government trial, and they have more planned. 

To enter locals must pay a levy of VND 1m and produce notarized documents to prove they have a monthly income of VND 10m.

The name unfortunately has been the brunt of jokes due to the Corona virus.

 

[Colabamumbai]

Should have one in every village. 

[Colabamumbai]

1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

this might lead to prostitution. 

And drug use and pawnbrokers. 

[natway09]

This subject coming up every week is becoming a bit of a bore, but the important points.

Only non Thai gamblers,,,,, wait for the wailing

Casinos break families, ruin peoples lives & create betaholics

The few wealthy punters that continue to punt are attracted to large casinos offering "fringe

benefits & and a Government can make some monies for the community on legalization but would

need a complete review of the whole "Mr Plod force" before became possible here

I for one a big NO

 

[chilly07]

Unfortunately gambling is addictive to Thais who have been brainwashed by successive corrupt regimes to accept without complaint that they have no control over their future and good or bad fortune so life is a gamble and they might as well accept it. Casinos are just another way of putting even more money from those who can least afford it into the hands of the most corrupt! Wufluland is an even more extreme version of this hence their obsession with gambling.

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, GrahamJ said:

Thats not correct the Corona casino on Phu Quo Island, Vietnam was opened in 2018 and allows locals to enter and play. It was the first casino to be given the license and its part of a 3 year government trial, and they have more planned. 

To enter locals must pay a levy of VND 1m and produce notarized documents to prove they have a monthly income of VND 10m.

The name unfortunately has been the brunt of jokes due to the Corona virus.

 

 

Correct.

 

A random article.

 

https://www.vneconomictimes.com/article/business/vietnamese-permitted-to-enter-casinos

 

"Vietnamese citizens must be at least 21 years old to enter casinos, earn a regular monthly income of at least VND10 million ($450), and be subject to taxation from Level 3 or higher as determined by the Law on Personal Income Tax.

Entry to casinos will cost VND1 million ($43) per person for 24 hours or VND25 million ($1,110) per month. Gambling and payouts are in VND.

Income from ticket sales will be used to fund social welfare objectives, serve the community, and ensure security and social order."

 

[Alidiver]

23 hours ago, tgw said:

 

 still don't care, as it won't affect me at all.

 

maybe I'll go play roulette.

It will effect you. Sihanoukville prices have trebled since the 80 casinos opened and the Chinese run the place. 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Alidiver said:

It will effect you. Sihanoukville prices have trebled since the 80 casinos opened and the Chinese run the place. 

 

Trebled?  Way more than that.  

 

If Pattaya takes over Sihanoukville to become South East Asia's Las Vegas,  real estate could boom, but the cost of living will rise significantly here.

 

A property boom here could be a life line for many, for either selling up and leaving, or renting out, but many will not able to afford to continue to live here.  

[redwood1]

1 hour ago, Alidiver said:

It will effect you. Sihanoukville prices have trebled since the 80 casinos opened and the Chinese run the place. 

 

Not only have rents gone up 3-4-5-6 times what they were before the Casinos opened in  Sihanoukville......There was/is? not sure now?......Huge discrimination of farangs there......As in refusing to serve them in restaurants-stores etc......

Just about every last farang business was forced to close or was more or less run out of Sihanoukville...... Along with a mass exodus of farangs...... 

 

All the yes votes must come from people who don't live in Pattaya or just simply hate Pattaya.......Or one person voting many times.....

Edited January 20, 2021 by redwood1

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

A property boom here could be a life line for many, for either selling up and leaving, or renting out, but many will not able to afford to continue to live here

I would sell the house and be gone..... 

[kinyara]

13 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Trebled?  Way more than that.  

 

If Pattaya takes over Sihanoukville to become South East Asia's Las Vegas,  real estate could boom, but the cost of living will rise significantly here.

 

A property boom here could be a life line for many, for either selling up and leaving, or renting out, but many will not able to afford to continue to live here.  

 

The need to accomodate the vast influx of Chinese to Sihanoukville associated with the casino industry and infrastructure building was the game changer that shifted the property market there and drove the foreign renters out. It was a very low budget under developed place. I don't think Pattaya is comparable nor do I expect the change to be as dramatic if it even happens at all. 

 

If it did happen to a degree, other than property prices I don't see basic commodities which form most peoples cost of living changing that much to be such a game changer. 

 

[Jeffr2]

If done like Singapore, a casino would be a huge job creator.  And hopefully, siphon some of the money away from the police....

[Tony125]

When I first came here 20 years ago they were talking about building one on koh Larn, we're still waiting.

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, Tony125 said:

When I first came here 20 years ago they were talking about building one on koh Larn, we're still waiting.

Big ideas are spouted forth on a regular basis....I have given up paying them much attention.... only the odd ones get completed.  Where are the tunnels at Tai and Nua? 

[Leaver]

On 1/21/2021 at 6:37 AM, jacko45k said:

I would sell the house and be gone..... 

 

Many others would do the same. 

 

Not saying you are, jacko, but many are trapped here, because of property ownership.  

[Leaver]

On 1/21/2021 at 8:37 AM, kinyara said:

If it did happen to a degree, other than property prices I don't see basic commodities which form most peoples cost of living changing that much to be such a game changer. 

 

So, and an example, a Thai landlord ups the rent on a business that caters to westerners, because he thinks he can get a Chinese tenant who will pay a higher amount, and now it's 100 baht a beer in that western bar, and that's not a rise in the cost of living?  

[HashBrownHarry]

3 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

So, and an example, a Thai landlord ups the rent on a business that caters to westerners, because he thinks he can get a Chinese tenant who will pay a higher amount, and now it's 100 baht a beer in that western bar, and that's not a rise in the cost of living?  

Why does everything you relate to come back to either beer bars ( and the patrons that use them ) ?

 

That's not all Thailand has to offer, maybe soi Bukhow tho - lol.

[Leaver]

35 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Why does everything you relate to come back to either beer bars ( and the patrons that use them ) ?

 

That's not all Thailand has to offer, maybe soi Bukhow tho - lol.

 

I'm guessing you have never been to Sihanoukville, particularly since the casino boom.  

[HashBrownHarry]

Just now, Leaver said:

 

I'm guessing you have never been to Sihanoukville, particularly since the casino boom.  

you're guessing correct

 

[Leaver]

1 minute ago, HashBrownHarry said:

you're guessing correct

 

 

So you have no idea what happened to property there, yet say it couldn't happen here.   ???? 

[HashBrownHarry]

Just now, Leaver said:

 

So you have no idea what happened to property there, yet say it couldn't happen here.   ???? 

Have you any idea how long they've been speaking about bringing casino's to Pattaya or have you just arrived?

[kinyara]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

So, and an example, a Thai landlord ups the rent on a business that caters to westerners, because he thinks he can get a Chinese tenant who will pay a higher amount, and now it's 100 baht a beer in that western bar, and that's not a rise in the cost of living?  

 

When I think cost of living I tend to think of a broad range of items like electricity, water, petrol, phone, internet, foodstuffs etc. I daresay some alcohol is probably included in the " basket of items" in which cost of living is measured, but hardly forms part of a game changing relocation decision. If it does you've probably got more issues with your life than the arrival of a casino or two. 

 

I can't see the nationwide pricing models of EGAT, PTT, Ais, True, 3BB, Tesco Lotus, Macro, BigC, etc being influenced by an aspect of local Pattaya development. 

 

You were talking about the effect.on residents as opposed to tourists. 

 

 

 

[kingdong]

On 1/19/2021 at 7:48 AM, bkk6060 said:

Yes of course.

Bali Hai luxury hotel and casino would be a huge draw for the city.

Near WS, and day trips to Koh Larn.

Perfect place to build one.

Just like sinoukville was in cambodia?

[Leaver]

14 hours ago, kinyara said:

 

When I think cost of living I tend to think of a broad range of items like electricity, water, petrol, phone, internet, foodstuffs etc. I daresay some alcohol is probably included in the " basket of items" in which cost of living is measured, but hardly forms part of a game changing relocation decision. If it does you've probably got more issues with your life than the arrival of a casino or two. 

 

I can't see the nationwide pricing models of EGAT, PTT, Ais, True, 3BB, Tesco Lotus, Macro, BigC, etc being influenced by an aspect of local Pattaya development. 

 

You were talking about the effect.on residents as opposed to tourists. 

 

 

 

 

Good reply.

 

Yes, I was talking about expats, and I was playing devils advocate. 

 

However, as expats here, don't we enjoy all the things that tourists come here to enjoy, because it's on our door step? 

 

Don't we go into Central Pattaya and enjoy the multitude of restaurants, bars, and entertainment?  I know I do. 

 

The variety of cuisines here is one of my favourite things about Pattaya, also the live music. 

 

Aren't we now experiencing what Pattaya would look like without western tourists?  Notice I said western tourists, not tourists in general. 

 

Let's imagine casinos are allowed here.  A Chinese conglomerate could eye off Soi LK Metro, for example, to turn into a little China Town.  They will buy it all.  Wontons, red lanterns, and Tsingtao beer everywhere.  No place for westerners.

 

Sure, existing owners may relocate, but where, and will the tourists go there, will the expats go there, and what will the prices be? 

 

LK Metro took a lot of business away from Walking Street because it was cheaper rent, therefore a cheaper place for the same product, be it alcohol and / or girls.  Would there be an LK Metro development on The  Dark Side, for the same reason?

 

Some posters have alluded to "casinos will not change anything for me here."  I disagree.  Casinos will change a lot, and not just the price of beer. 

 

Tesco, Makro, Lotus, Big C, what if the shift of products on the shelf is to Chinese products?  Farang products go up even more, whilst their availability becomes harder. 

 

Many may think it will never happen, and it might not,

 

We are talking about billions of dollars, not baht, dollars.  

 

The Chinese will insist on using Chinese labour for construction, not Burmese or Khmer labourers, as they did in Sihanoukville, and we all know the Thai's won't do the hard labour.   So now there's thousands of working Chinese expats here. then again T21 could easily be converted. 

 

It's not an impossibility that Pattaya could head in a similar direction to Sihanoukville, albeit it, not to such a degree, but even a regular Chinese gambler will drop more in 1 hour than a western tourists would for the whole night, buying lady drinks, paying a bar fine, and paying the girl.  

Edited January 23, 2021 by Rimmer

[HashBrownHarry]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

Good reply.

 

Yes, I was talking about expats, and I was playing devils advocate. 

 

However, as expats here, don't we enjoy all the things that tourists come here to enjoy, because it's on our door step? 

 

Don't we go into Central Pattaya and enjoy the multitude of restaurants, bars, and entertainment?  I know I do. 

 

The variety of cuisines here is one of my favourite things about Pattaya, also the live music. 

 

Aren't we now experiencing what Pattaya would look like without western tourists?  Notice I said western tourists, not tourists in general. 

 

Let's imagine casinos are allowed here.  A Chinese conglomerate could eye off Soi LK Metro, for example, to turn into a little China Town.  They will buy it all.  Wontons, red lanterns, and Tsingtao beer everywhere.  No place for westerners.

 

Sure, existing owners may relocate, but where, and will the tourists go there, will the expats go there, and what will the prices be? 

 

LK Metro took a lot of business away from Walking Street because it was cheaper rent, therefore a cheaper place for the same product, be it alcohol and / or girls.  Would there be an LK Metro development on The  Dark Side, for the same reason?

 

Some posters have alluded to "casinos will not change anything for me here."  I disagree.  Casinos will change a lot, and not just the price of beer. 

 

Tesco, Makro, Lotus, Big C, what if the shift of products on the shelf is to Chinese products?  Farang products go up even more, whilst their availability becomes harder. 

 

Many may think it will never happen, and it might not, but currently the "big guy" and you know who I mean, hasn't got a lot to lose, has he?  As for the "second big guy" we all know his allegiance is to China.   

 

We are talking about billions of dollars, not baht, dollars.  

 

The Chinese will insist on using Chinese labour for construction, not Burmese or Khmer labourers, as they did in Sihanoukville, and we all know the Thai's won't do the hard labour.   So now there's thousands of working Chinese expats here. then again T21 could easily be converted. 

 

It's not an impossibility that Pattaya could head in a similar direction to Sihanoukville, albeit it, not to such a degree, but even a regular Chinese gambler will drop more in 1 hour than a western tourists would for the whole night, buying lady drinks, paying a bar fine, and paying the girl.  

It's a complete impossibility, it'll never happen.

 

Pls explain why it has not happened in the last 40 years, thank you.