1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Seriously???

 

Legalising something like crystal meth will simply make it more accessible = more people taking it, driving around on it. 
 

Recognising that is simple common sense. 

 

 

 

Understanding that Prohibition didn't work is also common sense. 

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Come on, you’re smarter than that counter argument suggests. 

Which is the safer, driving on meth or whisky? Sadly I've done both which are illegal.

49 minutes ago, quake said:

Legalize drugs and put the bad guys out of business.

and governments can collect tax, and it will also create jobs for some people.

 

 

There are some drugs which should remain under the penal codes for criminal behaviour, but decriminalise the use of the substances in most cases.

Cooks and dealers should be sanctioned with penalities.

Look at why people use substances including alcohol, and offer support to minimise the harmful impacts.

There has to be a multipronged approach and also offer realistic rehab, education and health information as part of a harm minimisation approach.

 

When I was a young, callow youth, I pretty much tried everything. The fact that it was illegal made it even more exciting. All part of youthful rebellion.

 

Some I only tried once. Either because I didn't like the effect, or, because I liked it too much and I knew that it would really deplete my pocket.

 

Now that I'm crusty and old, the only drugs I take for non-medicinal purposes are caffeine, nicotine (a very long battle still going on to stop) and alcohol. Two of those are potential killers.

I knew many, many other young people doing the same and the percentage that allowed things to get out of hand was very, very low.

I have also found that those that get hooked and steal to support their habit, were thieves already. The drugs just gave them another reason.

 

My own opinion is to decriminalize and legalize. This would stop people putting in unsafe cuts like strychnine etc and standardize quality.

Tax the <deleted> out of it (like cigarettes) so that it becomes prohibitively expensive.

This would swell government coffers and more important, pull the rug out from all the criminal gangs that control supply.

 

Then treat drug addiction as a health problem instead of a criminal one.

Many people don't agree with this and just want to "lock 'em up and throw away the key", which does nothing for rehabilitation and just clutters up the jails for mostly non-violent, victimless crimes.

 

Let the flaming begin.......

 

 

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

These people really ruin lives

 

People who actively search out these drugs and take them ruin their and others' lives.

Anyway, 1000 thb/gram? Must be a serious oversupply on the drug market.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

OK, legalise ‘some’ drugs - Marijuana is a perfect example of something which should be legalised. 

 

But, do you really want society running around on Crystal Meth ??? driving, riding motorcycles etc ?

Don't they do this anyway, oh add alcohol too.

So many posts for one farang who got nicked for selling some mild stuff,  hang him high, crucify him etc. etc. you'd thing that Thailand doesn't have this huge drug problems in the tons and tons of the stuff and into billions of baht industry involving some heavy people... Just saying...

Oh, I used to be disgusted

And now I try to be amused

But since their wings have got rusted

You know, the angels want to wear my red shoes

But when they told me 'bout their side of the bargain

That's when I knew that I could not refuse

And I won't get any older, now that angels want to wear my red shoes

(Elvis Costello)

1 hour ago, Ventenio said:

i know my english is bad.......but does this say SEVEN SEVEN SEVEN years???????

 At a guess , maybe a new dealer wanted his action.

so grass up time.

 

 

44 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

There are some drugs which should remain under the penal codes for criminal behaviour, but decriminalise the use of the substances in most cases.

Cooks and dealers should be sanctioned with penalities.

Look at why people use substances including alcohol, and offer support to minimise the harmful impacts.

There has to be a multipronged approach and also offer realistic rehab, education and health information as part of a harm minimisation approach.

 

 

i agree with nearly all you say there. good post

but the key to it all,  is control, there is no control now that works.

so legalizing the drugs will give the control, that is needed.

 

The old way of thinking, just does not work, on many levels.

 

 

 

 

 

Way to go.

Sounds like good police work congrats RTP.

48 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Understanding that Prohibition didn't work is also common sense. 

 

Are you really defending your point by comparing drugs like crystal meth to alcohol ???

 

No one is suggesting alcohol is not harmful or damaging to some individuals and families, or that is isn’t costly to society *(broken homes, car wrecks, violence etc).

 

I hate analogies.. but here... crystal meth is like a Wild Hyena where as alcohol is like a Labrador, both can bite, both can kill, one is more readily controlled and less dangerous.

 

 

33 minutes ago, ezzra said:

So many posts for one farang who got nicked for selling some mild stuff,  hang him high, crucify him etc. etc. 

Crystal meth is not "mild stuff".

1 hour ago, Damrongsak said:

LSD mushroom soup is my favorite. 

 

LSD, was my favorite. 

 

Ps Think i'm having flash backs.

I keep hearing these voices going on about how drugs are the end of the world.

but that was 40 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

same, same, but same. 

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Are you really defending your point by comparing drugs like crystal meth to alcohol ???

 

No one is suggesting alcohol is not harmful or damaging to some individuals and families, or that is isn’t costly to society *(broken homes, car wrecks, violence etc).

 

I hate analogies.. but here... crystal meth is like a Wild Hyena where as alcohol is like a Labrador, both can bite, both can kill, one is more readily controlled and less dangerous.

 

 

Could you explain why you think meth is more dangerous than alcohol?

Here are some figure by the Australian government - the drug of concern is clear.

Meth is estimated to be a factor in 136 deaths a year; alcohol 5,554.

Also in the UK

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20101101/alcohol-more-harmful-than-crack-or-heroin#1

 

6 minutes ago, orchis said:

Crystal meth is not "mild stuff".

I'm sure you know the mega quantities in truck loads of crystal meth, ya ba and everything in between is coming into this county for our neighboring countries, all i'm saying is that they made a big noise out of small time dealer and the fact that he's a farang amplified all for the more noise while dozens of local dealers are ought everyday with out the brouhaha and the parade...

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Marijuana is a perfect example of something which should be legalised. 

It basically is.  I see my Thai dealer hanging out with local police and chatting in the afternoon almost daily.  Lol

1 minute ago, Skallywag said:

It basically is.  I see my Thai dealer hanging out with local police and chatting in the afternoon almost daily.  Lol

Rogue police have been involved in all drugs for many years. 

1 hour ago, smedly said:

legalise what drugs ?

 

many of these drugs are extremely harmful legal or not, you can't legalise everything, the drugs this idiot was peddling are extremely harmful and would never ever become legal - end of

 

yes and lock this scumbag up and throw away the key

 

he deserves everything he has coming to him in spades

 

How's the worlds drug problem doing with the standard  old way of thinking ?

and your end of comment ? does show a very closed mind attitude to it all.

 

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Could you explain why you think meth is more dangerous than alcohol?

Here are some figure by the Australian government - the drug of concern is clear.

Meth is estimated to be a factor in 136 deaths a year; alcohol 5,554.

Also in the UK

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20101101/alcohol-more-harmful-than-crack-or-heroin#1

 

I would have thought alcohol deaths were linked to a lifelong daily intake that catches up with you eventually. 

There is a vast difference between the number of folk drinking and those doing drugs, I can only think of one person that I know who doesn't drink alcoholic beverages, and it's not me...????

16 minutes ago, transam said:

I would have thought alcohol deaths were linked to a lifelong daily intake that catches up with you eventually. 

There is a vast difference between the number of folk drinking and those doing drugs, I can only think of one person that I know who doesn't drink alcoholic beverages, and it's not me...????

I think there are many more deaths from alcohol accident than long-term illnesses like cirrhosis of the liver. In Scotland, 3 out of 4 court cases are related to alcohol. 

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Alcohol causes the most damage because it is the most accessible. In countries where cannabis is now easy to access, we see an increase in impairment related injury and death that coincided with decriminalization

 

 

maybe you go look at chart you post, ok?  Ease of access and lack of social checks is a determining factor. If adolescents can easily get yaba and there is no more social taboo, we will see very bad outcome.

 

Look at tobacco. Now that it is more difficult to access in some countries and it is socially unacceptable to blow smoke and smell of  ashtray, the cost to society of tobacco has steadily decreased over time as fewer people per capita start the vile habit. What we see now ios damage to smokers who started 20+ years ago.

No, alcohol makes the most damage because it is simply more dangerous than other drugs. If it s made illegal, guess what, it will be more harmfull.

 

No one says we should give adolescents easy access to Yaba.  Control the drugs market also means control access to drugs that are safer, it doesn t mean selling it in schools, which is what happen now by the way. When you have control on the market, you can make rules. Please understand that people who advocate for a better treatment of the drug problem have the same objective as you, reduce the damages made by drug to society, not to give your kids drug. 

 

Tobacco consuption has decreased because we eductae people on how harmfull it is today, and we try to explain why we should not use cigarettes, we don t just simply ban it.

7 years and undetected?

Don't believe that.

Or he was well protected and  had very good connections or now, he has stopped paying a share of his profits and as a consequence, they matched him.

2 hours ago, quake said:

Legalize drugs and put the bad guys out of business.

and governments can collect tax, and it will also create jobs for some people.

 

 

Legalize yaba, any clue what people can do under the influence of that s.hit.

Looks like you don't. Know of a girl who stabbed her best friend 25 times, killed her and couldn't remember a thing the next day.

6 minutes ago, thaichina said:

No, alcohol makes the most damage because it is simply more dangerous than other drugs. If it s made illegal, guess what, it will be more harmfull.

 

No one says we should give adolescents easy access to Yaba.  Control the drugs market also means control access to drugs that are safer, it doesn t mean selling it in schools, which is what happen now by the way. When you have control on the market, you can make rules. Please understand that people who advocate for a better treatment of the drug problem have the same objective as you, reduce the damages made by drug to society, not to give your kids drug. 

 

Tobacco consuption has decreased because we eductae people on how harmfull it is today, and we try to explain why we should not use cigarettes, we don t just simply ban it.

 

I agree with all that you have said, but, one of the major contributors to a drastic reduction in cigarette consumption is that most young people think it is not 'cool'.

When and where I grew up, all my peers smoked cigarettes because it was considered cool. Those that did not smoke were called (insert homophobic insult here).

I'm sure that just legalizing drugs would achieve this goal of making it uncool.

Half the appeal comes from the feeling of naughtiness of buying and using something illegal.

10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Legalize yaba, any clue what people can do under the influence of that s.hit

an A1 sex session ? 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, quake said:

an A1 sex session ?

Know of a girl who stabbed her best friend 25 times, killed her and couldn't remember a thing the next day. Why do you think it is called crazy medicine.

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

Know of a girl who stabbed her best friend 25 times, killed her and couldn't remember a thing the next day.

so everyone does that, thanks for the heads up

3 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

 

No they don't.

The buyers ruin their own lives. They have a choice with no gun to their head.

Where ever there is a demand for something, someone will supply.

People are easily led though, so the gullible can just blame themselves even if your own family? 

2 hours ago, orchis said:

 

People who actively search out these drugs and take them ruin their and others' lives.

Anyway, 1000 thb/gram? Must be a serious oversupply on the drug market.

My limited experience of it is a Thai girl I know who got into drugs by a guy who looks coincidentally similar to the guy in the story, most likely her life is on a downward spiral now