13 minutes ago, robblok said:

Are we blaming the Brits and Southafricans for the strain that is worse too. If not (and I dont) then stop blaming the Chinese. That is my opinion seems a lot like yours.

 

Its unlikely it came from a lab, if there was a cover up then for sure the US or other countries could prove it. Besides one can see if a virus is made in a lab or not.

 

Unless anyone can prove this was done on purpose then its an accident. We are not blaming Japan for the reactor breach either. I think only die hard anti Chinese people think this is done on purpose. 

Yes of course it is nonsense. The Chinese bashers were whipped into a frenzy by Donald Trump who is famous for telling lies to suit his agenda. A lot of simpletons lapped it all up. 

The Chinese acted swiftly and effectively limiting the spread according to medical advice.
 

Unfortunately other countries dithered and denied, handled it badly and now we are seeing the new highly contagious super strain mutant variants coming as a result of that. 

Not much more the Chinese could have done, but other countries, now with massive death rates are unbelievably still not following medical advice. 
They should be taking the blame but are deflecting blame to Chinese bats, labs, government or a whole lot of theories not backed up by any evidence.

 

Thailand has done a good, sensible job handling it. Unfortunately the tourism issue is out of their hands and will just have to wait to see if Europe and the Americas get their act together. 
 

From what we have seen over the last year they probably are not confident. 

12 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I don't think it really matters too much if it was a institute leak, a market animal or a wild animal, the point is the Chinese deliberately withheld information and told the world there was no problem. It would always be hard to pin point the origin - but you can point at China for continually and deliberately hiding it and lying about it.

 

You may not have liked Trump but at least he saw through the WHO clowns

The now established timelines show that there was a delay of a couple of weeks or so whilst the Chinese dithered over whether to inform others about this new virus.

 

In mid-late January the WHO informed the world about this new virus and it was up to various countries to deal with it.

 

In the USA it was dealt with thus: –

– We only have 5 cases

– We have stopped people coming in from China (directly maybe, but not transiting from other countries).

– It's just like the flu and it will be gone when the warmer weather comes in .......... 

– Trump consistently waved away the advice of his medical advisers and scientists, and a report by Dr Fauci states an alarming idiocy on behalf of the POTUS in listening to friends with regards to "cures" and disregarding the experts.

 

Coupled with the fact that the CDC network had been seriously weakened with some scientists being removed and certainly the funding being reduced, and you have a platform for a pandemic.

 

Trump's insistence that it was nothing has paved the way for hundreds of thousands of US deaths.

 

The problem with trump was that he was the MAIN CLOWN, and nobody realised it until it was too late.

 

Viruses like these have been known to exist in various animals from around the world, as has been witnessed by previous coronavirus-type outbreaks.

1 hour ago, car720 said:

Can you cite someone on this?

https://apnews.com/article/9391149002

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/9701/

 

 

Not as "convoluted" as this China Washing is. 

1 hour ago, car720 said:

Actually in China they are called red envelopes. 

Those are for giving children at CNY. Are you implying something about the WHO team?

Off topic troll post removed, also a misleading post and replies

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Are we blaming the Brits and Southafricans for the strain that is worse too. If not (and I dont) then stop blaming the Chinese. That is my opinion seems a lot like yours.

 

Its unlikely it came from a lab, if there was a cover up then for sure the US or other countries could prove it. Besides one can see if a virus is made in a lab or not.

 

Unless anyone can prove this was done on purpose then its an accident. We are not blaming Japan for the reactor breach either. I think only die hard anti Chinese people think this is done on purpose. 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

This article explains the origin of technology used in the Wuhan lab to create bat viruses that appear to be perfectly natural. The starting point is a bat virus collected in nature. No one is claiming (as far as I know) that there was an intentional release from the Wuhan lab, but due to the asymptomatic infective ability of this virus, it is much easier to escape undetected. 

4 minutes ago, placnx said:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

This article explains the origin of technology used in the Wuhan lab to create bat viruses that appear to be perfectly natural. The starting point is a bat virus collected in nature. No one is claiming (as far as I know) that there was an intentional release from the Wuhan lab, but due to the asymptomatic infective ability of this virus, it is much easier to escape undetected. 

Sure but there is no hard proof of this at all, and some people were saying it was created and released on purpose (extremist think like that). I would not exclude an accidental release of the virus. But so far it has not been proved. But even if it was from a lab. You can't really hold China responsible. Like your article said it happened in the USA too. So accidents happen. Same like the japan reactor breach. Stuff happens and unless it was huge negligence i find it a bit hard to blame a country.

8 minutes ago, placnx said:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

This article explains the origin of technology used in the Wuhan lab to create bat viruses that appear to be perfectly natural. The starting point is a bat virus collected in nature. No one is claiming (as far as I know) that there was an intentional release from the Wuhan lab, but due to the asymptomatic infective ability of this virus, it is much easier to escape undetected. 

A lab with bio-safety protocols and educated staff vs a filthy wet market at the end of an international wildlife trafficing route where animals are kept and slaughteredi n overcrowded, unsanitary conditions.

 

But in end the China controlled WHO team will conclude it was not the fault of anyone in China.

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

COVID may have taken 'convoluted path' to Wuhan

 

WHO muppets 

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Sure but there is no hard proof of this at all, and some people were saying it was created and released on purpose (extremist think like that). I would not exclude an accidental release of the virus. But so far it has not been proved. But even if it was from a lab. You can't really hold China responsible. Like your article said it happened in the USA too. So accidents happen. Same like the japan reactor breach. Stuff happens and unless it was huge negligence i find it a bit hard to blame a country.

It would be difficult to prove the escape hypothesis unless a whistleblower emerges some day. Accidents do happen, and this virus would have been difficult to contain in that case. The Wuhan level 4 lab has been visited by outsiders in the past and been criticized for sloppiness. As for the negligence issue, if any escape happened, it was compounded by the willful coverup of the outbreak by local officials, a factor not in serious dispute.

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

The now established timelines show that there was a delay of a couple of weeks or so whilst the Chinese dithered over whether to inform others about this new virus.

 

In mid-late January the WHO informed the world about this new virus and it was up to various countries to deal with it.

 

In the USA it was dealt with thus: –

– We only have 5 cases

– We have stopped people coming in from China (directly maybe, but not transiting from other countries).

– It's just like the flu and it will be gone when the warmer weather comes in .......... 

– Trump consistently waved away the advice of his medical advisers and scientists, and a report by Dr Fauci states an alarming idiocy on behalf of the POTUS in listening to friends with regards to "cures" and disregarding the experts.

 

Coupled with the fact that the CDC network had been seriously weakened with some scientists being removed and certainly the funding being reduced, and you have a platform for a pandemic.

 

Trump's insistence that it was nothing has paved the way for hundreds of thousands of US deaths.

 

The problem with trump was that he was the MAIN CLOWN, and nobody realised it until it was too late.

 

Viruses like these have been known to exist in various animals from around the world, as has been witnessed by previous coronavirus-type outbreaks.

Yes WHO informed the world.

 

Feb 3rd 2020. GENEVA (Reuters) - World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Monday there was no need for measures that “unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade” in trying to halt the spread of a coronavirus that has killed 361 people in China.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who-idUSKBN1ZX1H3

 

One then wonders why governments worldwide were slow in response

 

 

This man started his career with WHO in their China office. A total coincidence that he is giving the Chinese a free pass.  

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Peter Ben Embarek joined the World Health Organization at its Geneva headquarter in 2001. He worked at WHO's China Office and advised the Chinese government on food safety and nutrition issues. Between 2014 and 2017, he managed WHO's MERS-CoV virus Task Force.^{[3]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ben_Embarek}

 

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes WHO informed the world.

 

Feb 3rd 2020. GENEVA (Reuters) - World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Monday there was no need for measures that “unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade” in trying to halt the spread of a coronavirus that has killed 361 people in China.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who-idUSKBN1ZX1H3

 

One then wonders why governments worldwide were slow in response

 

 

WHO Feb 3^rd ………….“We call on all countries to implement decisions that are evidence-based and consistent,” Tedros told the WHO executive board, reiterating his message from last week when he declared an international emergency.

 

So late January was when the WHO declared an international emergency. Then some countries took action, whilst others opted for hydroxychloroquine and disinfectant.

Conflict of interest?

 

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4104828

 

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Genetic sequencing has been done and it's been proven it wasn't from a lab.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528

 

"The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade"

14 minutes ago, xylophone said:

WHO Feb 3^rd ………….“We call on all countries to implement decisions that are evidence-based and consistent,” Tedros told the WHO executive board, reiterating his message from last week when he declared an international emergency.

 

So late January was when the WHO declared an international emergency. Then some countries took action, whilst others opted for hydroxychloroquine and disinfectant.

One would also assume the WHO's statement that there was no need for travel bans on 3rd Feb 2020 was also evidence based, that didn't work out to well for the global community taking that advice.

 

As for hydroxychloroquine and disinfectant. I'm not American and have no interest in Trumps previous rantings, the world is bigger than just the US

A troll post removed

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Are we blaming the Brits and Southafricans for the strain that is worse too. If not (and I dont) then stop blaming the Chinese. That is my opinion seems a lot like yours.

 

Its unlikely it came from a lab, if there was a cover up then for sure the US or other countries could prove it. Besides one can see if a virus is made in a lab or not.

 

Unless anyone can prove this was done on purpose then its an accident. We are not blaming Japan for the reactor breach either. I think only die hard anti Chinese people think this is done on purpose. 

But they must be to blame?  They look different to us, they eat different to us, they dont even live in houses like ours so they must be wrong.  How could anybody that does anything different to us be right?  ????

1 hour ago, placnx said:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

This article explains the origin of technology used in the Wuhan lab to create bat viruses that appear to be perfectly natural. The starting point is a bat virus collected in nature. No one is claiming (as far as I know) that there was an intentional release from the Wuhan lab, but due to the asymptomatic infective ability of this virus, it is much easier to escape undetected. 

Very comprehensive article, thanks. I had read bits of what was included before but not everything put together like that. Personally I do not agree with his conclusions but still agree that it is possible. I lean to the more probable, natural transmission.

And it is obvious that many posters on here did not read the full article.

At this stage of "the game" who really cares ?

19 hours ago, rabas said:

They just got there, can't possibly have learned much or analysed anything. Yet, they state, as fact, the one thing the Chinese CCP party desperately wants the world to believe.

You high lighted the exact same phrase I would've. Clean house in the WHO, hire some Ozy and NZ doctors & scientist, and quit quoting the CCP and maybe some progress can be made. 

2 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

And it is obvious that many posters on here did not read the full article.

You're right. It was written by a reporter at Reuters who only write the current narrative, which is what they want you to think is true.

6 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

You're right. It was written by a reporter at Reuters who only write the current narrative, which is what they want you to think is true.

I was referring to the linked article, not the OP. Hope you read it.

3 hours ago, spacex said:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528

 

"The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade"

Yeah. Proves it's not man made. Thanks!

 

Based on its genome sequence, 2019-nCoV belongs to lineage b of Betacoronavirus (Fig. 1A), which also includes the SARS-CoV and bat CoV ZXC21, the latter and CoV ZC45 being the closest to 2019-nCoV. 2019-nCoV shares ~76% amino acid sequence identity in the Spike (S)-protein sequence with SARS-CoV and 80% with CoV ZXC21 (Chan et al., 2020). I

9 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Genetic sequencing has been done and it's been proven it wasn't from a lab.

No. You can't prove it didn't escape from a lab without knowing what was in the lab.  What you may mean it is not a chimera virus manufactured by a widely used process that joins parts of two viruses.

 

This process was used by Bat Woman at the Wuhan Virological Institute to create new corona viruses capable of infecting human lung tissue. She published this work with Western co-authors. see here.  Many scientists opine such gain of function experiments are too dangerous.

 

All that was shown is that SARS2 was not made this way.

1 hour ago, rabas said:

No. You can't prove it didn't escape from a lab without knowing what was in the lab.  What you may mean it is not a chimera virus manufactured by a widely used process that joins parts of two viruses.

 

This process was used by Bat Woman at the Wuhan Virological Institute to create new corona viruses capable of infecting human lung tissue. She published this work with Western co-authors. see here.  Many scientists opine such gain of function experiments are too dangerous.

 

All that was shown is that SARS2 was not made this way.

Yes, we can say it didn't escape from a lab. No credible source says otherwise.

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

This man started his career with WHO in their China office. A total coincidence that he is giving the Chinese a free pass.  

 

Does anyone know what happened to the two people on the WHO team who were not allowed in with the rest of the group. Oddly, at the time their names were not disclosed. I'm still wondering whether they rejoined the group later.