Poll finds 47% of Americans favor Trump conviction in impeachment trial

[PatOngo]

2 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

That's quite irrelevant, now it's acceptable to impeach former presidents surely the list impeachable offences remains the same, if you don't think this will be used then you're mistaken.

 

How long before they start looking into previous presidents actions regarding certain wars over the decades, etc

 

Do you think GWB will be impeached for war crimes? Remember that? Weapons of Mass Deception!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

That's quite irrelevant, now it's acceptable to impeach former presidents surely the list impeachable offences remains the same, if you don't think this will be used then you're mistaken.

 

How long before they start looking into previous presidents actions regarding certain wars over the decades, etc

 

 

Since you wrote above...

 

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I just wonder which previous president 'they' will go after next....

 

I think it's pretty relevant to ask what prior U.S. president can be accused of any crimes more serious and severe than the attempted insurrection against his own country and trying to subvert its democratic method of governance.

 

Note.... by the way, Trump was impeached Jan. 13 while he was still president. It's only his trial in the Senate that's occurring after his term of office. So in Trump's case, it was NOT a former president being impeached. Trump finally left office a week later.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-effort-live-updates/2021/01/13/956449072/house-impeaches-trump-a-2nd-time-citing-insurrection-at-u-s-capitol

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

God forbid! Americans surely can't be that stupid, can they? ????

Oh really:)??

They voted him in 

 

[ukrules]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Since you wrote above...

 

 

I think it's pretty relevant to ask what prior U.S. president can be accused of any crimes more serious and severe than the attempted insurrection against his own country and trying to subvert its democratic method of governance.

Doesn't need to be more serious, does it?

 

If they have the power then they will use it. Give it a little time.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, Albaby said:

500 respondents. Statistical blip. Trump will be found not guilty and will run again. Biden will destroy the economy, sacrifice Taiwan and Trump will walk back in.

Come on man. Any President that come after Trump will be a success because the bar set by Trump is just so darn low. 

[PatOngo]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

Oh really:)??

They voted him in 

 

No, they voted him OUT! DJT loser! They can't be stupid enough to vote him back, surely! 471.000 dead Americans from covid 19, surely won't look good on his CV!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Doesn't need to be more serious, does it?

 

If they have the power then they will use it. Give it a little time.

 

The fact that Trump was impeached by the House of Reps while he was still serving as president -- not after he had left office -- kinda undercuts your whole premise...

 

PS - In the U.S. political system, it's the House of Reps that decides on articles of impeachment, which they voted against Trump while serving as president. He remains impeached regardless of whether the Senate ultimately votes to convict him of the charge or not.

Edited February 11, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[RJRS1301]

6 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Doesn't need to be more serious, does it?

 

If they have the power then they will use it. Give it a little time.

This is a precedent , and catastrophising does do one no good.

It is only an attempt to conflat something which has no basis, with something which does

Edited February 11, 2021 by RJRS1301

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

No, they voted him OUT! DJT loser! They can't be stupid enough to vote him back, surely! 471.000 dead Americans from covid 19, surely won't look good on his CV!

No they voted him in in 2016, that was the first act of sheer>>>>>>????

A serial abuser, serial bankrupt

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by RJRS1301

[PatOngo]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

No they voted him in in 2016, that was the first act of sheer>>>>>>????

 

One would hope they learned something from that. Then again, they obviously did because the gave him the flick in 2020!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It's a tall hill to climb, considering that the U.S. democracy is more than 200 years old, there have been 45 different presidents, and there's yet to be a U.S. president removed from office via a two-thirds Senate voted conviction on impeachment.

 

"Three United States presidents have been impeached, although none were convicted: Andrew Johnson in 1868, Bill Clinton in 1998, and Donald Trump in 2019 and 2021. Trump is the only president (and only federal officeholder) to be impeached twice."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impeachment_efforts_for_presidents_of_the_United_States

 

Trump has already made history in U.S. politics, though undoubtedly not in the way he would have wished.

 

A badge of honor, it's not...

 

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[EVENKEEL]

56 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

What an absolute crock, there has never been a loser quite like this loser, grace and style is not inciting anarchy by lies and deception, he lost fare and square and just could'nt accept it! If you truly believe that, you are a sad reflection on the minority in your country!

What's an absolute crock?

[ukrules]

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

PS - In the U.S. political system, it's the House of Reps that decides on articles of impeachment, which they voted against Trump while serving as president. He remains impeached regardless of whether the Senate ultimately votes to convict him of the charge or not.

Why is it referred to as acquittal when the Senate votes against conviction?

 

Maybe I'm naive and don't understand what acquittal means when it's applied by a higher power.

 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Trump has already made history in U.S. politics, though undoubtedly not in the way he would have wished.

The worst President in history, that will be how he will be remembered.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-worst-president-presidential-greatness-survey-president-s-day-obama-george-washington-a8218721.html

[PatOngo]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What's an absolute crock?

A bucket of human waste!

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

Now the rules have changed I just wonder which previous president 'they' will go after next....

 

Trump was impeached, again, by the House while he was still in office.

 

Why do some people have so much trouble grasping this simple fact?

[EVENKEEL]

24 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

A bucket of human waste!

crock = something considered to be complete nonsense. There's alot of that going around.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, PatOngo said:

God forbid! Americans surely can't be that stupid, can they? ????

Obviously we know that one is!!!

[PatOngo]

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

crock = something considered to be complete nonsense. There's alot of that going around.

I would say it has lessened since the 20th of January!

[xylophone]

37 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Trump was impeached, again, by the House while he was still in office.

 

Why do some people have so much trouble grasping this simple fact?

Trump supporters are not known for their intelligence, that's why.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Wait and see...

Don't hold your breath.

 

He seems to pay his creditors, especially his legal teams with promises, and most people understand what his promises are worth. Not even one grain of sand in the desert.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, PatOngo said:

God forbid! Americans surely can't be that stupid, can they? ????

Sadly, many of them CAN be that stupid.

 

They voted for him in 2016 but he lost on the peoples vote and they did the same again in 2020. His supporters seem to be unable to understand democracy that when one side wins they get the POTUS for the next 4 years until the next election when they can vote once again.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

No they voted him in in 2016, that was the first act of sheer>>>>>>????

A serial abuser, serial bankrupt

 

IIRC correctly, it was the Electoral College that voted in his favour to become POTUS. He actually lost the election vote to Hilary Clinton.

 

In 2020 he lost both the popular and the EC votes.

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4 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

the prosecution doesn't have a case, what a shameful circus, all the participants should play in the next season of House of Cards, they surely are good actors  and should get a Grammy nomination????

Now if Trump had done nothing when he saw the Capitol being invaded by rioters that would have been impeachable. But his prompt action put a quick halt to that. And his brave reproach of said rioters with "Go home, we love you" will resonate with freedom loving peoples as long as the American republic survives.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

Why is it referred to as acquittal when the Senate votes against conviction?

 

Maybe I'm naive and don't understand what acquittal means when it's applied by a higher power.

 

 

The political impeachment process in the U.S. is not the same or even comparable to a typical criminal case where charges are brought, a trial is held, and if the accused is found not guilty, it's like getting a clean slate.

 

If a president is impeached by the House of Reps, they're impeached, period, for all time. The subsequent Senate trial is to determine whether to convict the person on the article of impeachment and by doing so, trigger their removal from office (for a still serving incumbent) and possibly bar the person from any future federal office.

 

"Upon conviction in the Senate, the official is automatically removed from office and may by a separate vote also be barred from holding future office. The Senate trial is not an actual criminal proceeding and more closely resembles a civil service termination appeal in terms of the contemplated deprivation. Therefore, the removed official may still be liable to criminal prosecution under a subsequent criminal proceeding."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Senate_trial

 

 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, Nout said:

He did not commit a crime. He will be found not guilty and the democrats will be exposed as the corrupt hypocrits they are.

Impeachment is not about committing a crime. It's about misconduct. Something Trump is guilty of.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

Why would they bother. Once out of office all that can be done is stop them holding any office again.

 

I dont see any former presidents looking to run for any office.

 

Btw, no rules have changed, there is precedent.

Grover Cleveland. 

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

Now the rules have changed I just wonder which previous president 'they' will go after next....

 

The rules have not changed.

[mlmcleod]

14 hours ago, poskat said:

the real headline is "more than half of americans do not favor trumps' impeachment"

The real headline is more than half of Republicans do not favor Trump's impeachment!  Any real poll of substance would easily be in favor of impeaching the traitor and his children too for that matter.

[bendejo]

16 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I know some anti-Trump supremacists in California who are all very spiritual but wish for nasty things to happen to Trump, going against all their spiritual teachings. 

 

Reminds me of my grandfather.  When I was little when he cussed I would say "Ooo, you cursed!" and he would say "you could make a saint curse!"