Khashoggi's fiancée says Saudi crown prince should be punished 'without delay'

[snoop1130]

Khashoggi's fiancée says Saudi crown prince should be punished 'without delay'

 

FILE PHOTO: Hatice Cengiz, fiancee of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi, testifies before a House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee hearing on "The Dangers of Reporting on Human Rights" on Capitol Hill in Washington U.S., May 16, 2019. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque/File Photo

 

ANKARA (Reuters) - The fiancée of slain Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi called on Monday for Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to be punished after a U.S. intelligence report found he had approved the killing.

 

Khashoggi, a U.S. resident who wrote opinion columns for the Washington Post criticising Saudi policies, was killed and dismembered by a team linked to the crown prince in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

 

A U.S. intelligence report on Friday found the prince had approved the killing, and Washington imposed sanctions on some of those involved - but not Prince Mohammed himself. The Saudi government, which has denied any involvement by the crown prince, rejected the report's findings.

 

"It is essential that the crown prince... should be punished without delay," Hatice Cengiz said on Twitter. "If the crown prince is not punished, it will forever signal that the main culprit can get away with murder which will endanger us all and be a stain on our humanity."

 

U.S. President Joe Biden's administration on Friday imposed a visa ban on some Saudis believed involved in the Khashoggi killing and placed sanctions on others that would freeze their U.S. assets and generally bar Americans from dealing with them.

 

Asked about criticism of Washington for not sanctioning Prince Mohammed directly, Biden said an announcement would be made on Monday, but did not provide details, while a White House official suggested no new steps were expected.

 

"Starting with the Biden administration, it is vital for all world leaders to ask themselves if they are prepared to shake hands with a person whose culpability as a murderer has been proven," Cengiz said.

 

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[Mavideol]

Am a little disappointed with Biden on that matter, during his campaign he said something and now he doesn't have the balls to follow up and he's letting a killer (MBS) on the loose... hope he's not playing Trump's game and bend over to the Saudi's

 

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-biden-to-end-u-s-support-for-saudi-led-coalition-against-houthi-rebels-in-yemen-1.9512869#:~:text=During the presidential campaign%2C Biden called Saudi Arabia,support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.

 

During the presidential campaign, Biden called Saudi Arabia a “pariah,” broadly promising to confront the Kingdom on its human rights record and end U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/21/democratic-debate-joe-biden-saudi-arabia/

Joe Biden, in Departure From Obama Policy, Says He Would Make Saudi Arabia a “Pariah”

 

[GinBoy2]

Well I do applaud Biden for releasing the report.

 

But the deafening silence from the Western world in general, especially the uber woke Europeans to the whole event is at best disappointing. 

 

We have Russians poisoned on the streets of England, European outrage.

 

A Saudi dissident butchered in a Saudi consulate, universal silence.

 

I hope sooner rather than later the West wakes up to what Saudi Arabia is like, and I hope as the West's reliance on their oil diminishes that chance is not too far in the future

[Mavideol]

34 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Well I do applaud Biden for releasing the report.

 

But the deafening silence from the Western world in general, especially the uber woke Europeans to the whole event is at best disappointing. 

 

We have Russians poisoned on the streets of England, European outrage.

 

A Saudi dissident butchered in a Saudi consulate, universal silence.

 

I hope sooner rather than later the West wakes up to what Saudi Arabia is like, and I hope as the West's reliance on their oil diminishes that chance is not too far in the future

he did released the report however the very next day 3 important names were (without any explanation) removed from it and the most important person behind all of that mess, the prince himself, was/is not on the report.....same as Trump,  just another cover up

[Tug]

13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

he did released the report however the very next day 3 important names were (without any explanation) removed from it and the most important person behind all of that mess, the prince himself, was/is not on the report.....same as Trump,  just another cover up

I disagree he’s not sucking up to that thug nor trying to give the whabi muslums nuclear technology like trump as distasteful as it is we must hold our noses and deal with that backward nation unfortunately 

[wombat]

Curious asks...who would punish him?

[PatOngo]

21 minutes ago, wombat said:

Curious asks...who would punish him?

It's a no brainer who SHOULD punish him!

[blazes]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

"Starting with the Biden administration, it is vital for all world leaders to ask themselves if they are prepared to shake hands with a person whose culpability as a murderer has been proven," Cengiz said.

 

 

JFK and Castro?  Nixon/Kissinger and Salvador Allende??

 

It's a bit naive to hope that American leaders who (or whose regime) carried out or attempted to carry out assassination of foreign leaders would rebuke the Prince for something that Americans have  themselves been content to do in the history of the last 50 years or more.

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Asked about criticism of Washington for not sanctioning Prince Mohammed directly, Biden said an announcement would be made on Monday, but did not provide details

He suddenly realises how politics really works.

[pegman]

Well, it's late Monday in N.A, and nada about the Americans taking MBS to task. Seems Biden was all talk and no action. I was hoping for a separation in the public square using a dull sword. Fully expect word to surfaces of Hunter being appointed to some Saudi corporate board or other. Even some of Joe's media lapdogs are barking about this.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/01/world/meanwhile-in-america-march-1-2021-intl/index.html

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 hours ago, Mavideol said:

Am a little disappointed with Biden on that matter, during his campaign he said something and now he doesn't have the balls to follow up and he's letting a killer (MBS) on the loose... hope he's not playing Trump's game and bend over to the Saudi's

 

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-biden-to-end-u-s-support-for-saudi-led-coalition-against-houthi-rebels-in-yemen-1.9512869#:~:text=During the presidential campaign%2C Biden called Saudi Arabia,support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.

 

During the presidential campaign, Biden called Saudi Arabia a “pariah,” broadly promising to confront the Kingdom on its human rights record and end U.S. support for the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/21/democratic-debate-joe-biden-saudi-arabia/

Joe Biden, in Departure From Obama Policy, Says He Would Make Saudi Arabia a “Pariah”

 

It’s a bit early for to proclaim Biden’s policy, the report has only just been submitted.

 

Let’s wait a little while longer.

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, Tug said:

I disagree he’s not sucking up to that thug nor trying to give the whabi muslums nuclear technology like trump as distasteful as it is we must hold our noses and deal with that backward nation unfortunately 

that means closing our eyes to their daily human rights abuse and potential killings spree .... regardless of how backward nation they are, no one should allow them to walk the free lane, already to many "out of jail" free cards

[Mavideol]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a bit early for to proclaim Biden’s policy, the report has only just been submitted.

 

Let’s wait a little while longer.

did you heard his press secretary?? she said.... it is what it is and no other action for now, let's kiss their rear

 

https://www.aol.com/wh-press-secretary-defends-choice-000552184.html

WH Press Secretary Defends Choice Not To Punish Saudi Prince For Khashoggi Murder

When asked why, Psaki told CNN’s Dana Bash that the Biden administration believes there are “more effective ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again” and wanted “to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there is mutual agreement ― where there is national interest for the United States.”

 

 

[Tug]

15 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

that means closing our eyes to their daily human rights abuse and potential killings spree .... regardless of how backward nation they are, no one should allow them to walk the free lane, already to many "out of jail" free cards

Oh how I wish (you probably do to)it was that simple unfortunately it isent 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

did you heard his press secretary?? she said.... it is what it is and no other action for now, let's kiss their rear

 

https://www.aol.com/wh-press-secretary-defends-choice-000552184.html

WH Press Secretary Defends Choice Not To Punish Saudi Prince For Khashoggi Murder

When asked why, Psaki told CNN’s Dana Bash that the Biden administration believes there are “more effective ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again” and wanted “to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there is mutual agreement ― where there is national interest for the United States.”

 

 

When asked why, Psaki told CNN’s Dana Bash that the Biden administration believes there are “more effective ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again” and wanted “to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there is mutual agreement ― where there is national interest for the United States.”

 

Like withdrawing US arms supply to SA’s war with Yemen.

 

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

When asked why, Psaki told CNN’s Dana Bash that the Biden administration believes there are “more effective ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again” and wanted “to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there is mutual agreement ― where there is national interest for the United States.”

 

Like withdrawing US arms supply to SA’s war with Yemen.

 

that's a drop of water on the ocean, Saudi's do worse then that on a daily basis, that MBS prince is a thug

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

that's a drop of water on the ocean, Saudi's do worse then that on a daily basis, that MBS prince is a thug

Yes he is the (head thug)in a nation full of them personally I can’t stand them keep your enemies close as the old saying goes at least the Biden administration isent blinded by a lust for personal gain and lust for money

[pegman]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

When asked why, Psaki told CNN’s Dana Bash that the Biden administration believes there are “more effective ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again” and wanted “to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there is mutual agreement ― where there is national interest for the United States.”

 

Like withdrawing US arms supply to SA’s war with Yemen.

 

So murder of one of your residents is fine if the murderer promises not to do it again, is that it? What a joke. Nice start Joe.

Edited March 2, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[sammieuk1]

Will a strongly worded letter do ????

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, pegman said:

So murder of one of your residents is fine if the murderer promises not to do it again, is that it? What a joke. Nice start Joe.

 

That a bit of a stretch.

 

US policies towards SA and importantly to nations around SA are complex and multi layered, they also taken to account US security concerns and the concerns of regional allies.

 

It is naive to expect US response to this murder to be a direct action against MBS.

 

Biden has stated his admiration’s policies towards SA are being reviewed, we have already seen him take action to remove support to SA’s war with Yemen.

 

As I said earlier, let’s wait a while and see.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

that's a drop of water on the ocean, Saudi's do worse then that on a daily basis, that MBS prince is a thug

They perhaps do and yes he is.

 

 

[placnx]

What's so regrettable is that Khashoggi didn't take serious precautions. If so the Turks could have been listening in when the trouble started, or perhaps monitored the phone calls to Riyadh during the planning. Maybe they could have noticed the special flights coming in. Victims should not make it too easy.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, placnx said:

What's so regrettable is that Khashoggi didn't take serious precautions. If so the Turks could have been listening in when the trouble started, or perhaps monitored the phone calls to Riyadh during the planning. Maybe they could have noticed the special flights coming in. Victims should not make it too easy.

Right so it’s the victims fault.

 

He didn’t outsmart the SA ‘security services’.

[placnx]

I realize that what I wrote sounds like "blame the victim", but that's not the point.  Khashoggi was a brilliant man who could easily have availed himself of help from the Turks. The Saudi "services" are not that smart, either. That can in fact be dangerous.

 

Trump's first foreign trip was to Riyadh, plus son-in-law Kushner counted MBS as "friend". Khashoggi knew this and knew the attitudes in Riyadh and the White House. Nonetheless he took the naked risk.

[Kwasaki]

Reminds me of a song. 

" That'll be the day "

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, pegman said:

Well, it's late Monday in N.A, and nada about the Americans taking MBS to task. Seems Biden was all talk and no action. I was hoping for a separation in the public square using a dull sword. Fully expect word to surfaces of Hunter being appointed to some Saudi corporate board or other. Even some of Joe's media lapdogs are barking about this.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/01/world/meanwhile-in-america-march-1-2021-intl/index.html

 

 

Yes, Biden is taking criticism from some quarters for whether his response went far enough...

 

But it's worth also noting the context of the CNN report you've linked above:

 

"Biden has sanctioned 76 Saudis involved in harassing activists and journalists, and plans to recalibrate the US relationship with the kingdom. He's ending US complicity in the war in Yemen and put a massive Saudi arms sale on hold. He's also willing to talk to Saudi Arabia's regional rival Iran. And releasing the report itself reverses the Trump administration's absolution of MBS.

 

Biden has shamed Riyadh and it's unthinkable we'll see MBS in his Oval Office. But he now faces criticism that he backed down from a vow to make Saudi Arabia a "pariah" over human rights abuses.

 

As the CNN report illustrates, Biden has gone a whole lot farther with the Saudi Arabia/MBS that his predecessor ever did or would have gone.

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Morch]

It seems people are disappointed with Biden for not being Trump.

 

One of Trump's selling points (as far as supporters and devotees go, at least) was that he's not-a-politician, telling-it-like-it-is, does-what-he-want. In effect, that meant not much by way of long-term, well-thought-out policy, and erratic actions/statements making foreign policy chaotic.

 

Biden's card was a return to sanity, balance, normalcy and all the rest of that boring stuff. Expecting his policies to be Trump-in-reverse is misguided. That's not who he is, that's not what he does, that's not why he was elected.

 

Biden will, no doubt, make some corrections and improvements as far as USA-KSA relations go. There will be no severance of ties, no dramatic special ops bringing MbS to justice, no official legal prosecution. And, behind the scenes, the Biden administration will milk MbS for all that's worth. He'll probably 'behave' (or be put in his place by Dad), as far as foreign policy adventures go, and will be supported in his domestic changes schemes. Saudi Arabia will have less of an influence on USA policy (good timing), and without a head on confrontation that would have gone nowhere.

 

That's how politics, diplomacy and international relations work.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

There's a limit to what any country, even a "prominent" one with the size and international power of the U.S., can do in influencing the behavior/conduct of other sovereign nations.

 

In this case, at least Biden and Co. are trying to do what's possible and feasible with Saudi Arabia and MBS, whereas Trump and Co. weren't inclined to do anything, except personally profit off of financial ties with the Kingdom.

 

Trump’s business ties to Saudi Arabia run long and deep

US president’s links to the kingdom under scrutiny as he faces calls for a tougher response following the disappearance, and possible killing, of journalist Jamal Khashoggi

 

NEW YORK (AP) — He’s booked hotel rooms and meeting spaces to them, sold an entire floor in one of his buildings to them and, in desperate moments in his career, gotten a billionaire from the country to buy his yacht and New York’s Plaza Hotel overlooking Central Park.

President Donald Trump’s ties to Saudi Arabia run long and deep, and he’s often boasted about his business ties with the kingdom.

 

“I love the Saudis,” Trump said when announcing his presidential run at Trump Tower in 2015. “Many are in this building.”

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-business-ties-to-saudi-arabia-run-long-and-deep/

 

 

U.S.-Saudi ties were especially close under Trump. Under Biden, that looks likely to change

Trump spent four years cozying up to the Saudis. Biden may usher in an era of frostier cordiality.

...

Amity between the two countries had grown especially warm under Trump and Saudi Arabia's de facto leader, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. From the start of his presidency, Trump cultivated Saudi Arabia and placed the kingdom at the heart of his Middle East policy, backing its stance against Iran and encouraging its purchase of U.S.-made weapons.

 

The president praised a Saudi crackdown on hundreds of top businessmen, officials and members of the royal family at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Riyadh in November 2017. He stood by Saudi Arabia, even as the CIA concluded that the powerful crown prince ordered the brutal killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist, in Istanbul in October 2018.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/less-privileged-personal-how-u-s-saudi-ties-may-soon-n1247439

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Scott]

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