Although it is a complex issue, in your opinion should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

 

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I am a unionist, but am also a democrat. So I believe in an option that is missing from above; that it is up to the Scottish people to decide at a time of their choosing, not Westminster's.

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

Yes please...

I think there should be another referendum.

 

Brexit, and especially the way the Scottish people voted in that referendum, has 

made the UK and union a different place to what it was at the time of the original

independence vote.

 

I would imagine the outcome would be far closer, but it would have to be a hell of a swing

to make a convincing case for leaving, but if 52% is enough to leave the EU, then it should 

be enough for independence.

 

13 hours ago, Scott said:

Although it is a complex issue, in your opinion should Scotland seek independence from the UK?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

I dont think it matters either way. But i would prefer an option of...should scotland be allowed to have that choice. Yes.

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

No, but most want scotland to have that choice themselves intead of being told they must stay.

Hey the Scots had their turn only 5 years ago. Why can't they give the English a vote if we still want killy krankie and her ilk with us. Sure it would be an overwhelming landslide to kick them out.

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

Hey the Scots had their turn only 5 years ago. Why can't they give the English a vote if we still want killy krankie and her ilk with us. Sure it would be an overwhelming landslide to kick them out.

Then you should vote for a party that offers you that option. Unless you do something about it, you will only be a bystander. 

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

Hey the Scots had their turn only 5 years ago. Why can't they give the English a vote if we still want killy krankie and her ilk with us. Sure it would be an overwhelming landslide to kick them out.

Because england arent the only country in the uk. You would also need wales and NI to agree.

 

But be careful as they all may kick england out to go it alone.

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP,

From where do you get all this profound knowledge?

Just now, Surelynot said:

From where do you get all this profound knowledge?

The Scots have voted on it, don't tell me you've forgotten already.

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

The majority in Scotland also voted that they wanted to remain in the EU...

Just now, Bluespunk said:

The majority in Scotland also voted that they wanted to remain in the EU...

Deflection, but if I am permitted to answer.

The Scots were never in the EU, it was the UK, and the EU referendum was a UK vote not Scottish.

Just now, vogie said:

Deflection, but if I am permitted to answer.

The Scots were never in the EU, it was the UK, and the EU referendum was a UK vote not Scottish.

Ah huh...not deflection at all but a response to your words

 

The Scots were in the EU and now against their will no longer are, maybe the majority having seen what being shackled to Westminster now means would prefer to go their own way...let them vote. 

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Ah huh...not deflection at all but a response to your words

 

The Scots were in the EU and now against their will no longer are, maybe the majority having seen what being shackled to Westminster now means would prefer to go their own way...let them vote. 

No you don't understand, the UK was in the EU and the UK voted to leave the EU, England, NI, Scotland or Wales were never in the EU. HTH

If they leave then no subsadies from England ,they pay for everything themselves, 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

No you don't understand, the UK was in the EU and the UK voted to leave the EU, England, NI, Scotland or Wales were never in the EU. HTH

Oh I do understand, I really do...the Scots did not wish to leave the EU, let them decide now if the uk is really where they want to be.

Couldn't care less anymore and I have a house there. The constant bleating for more money and independence gets very boring

The Scott-Irish in me also thinks that Ireland should reunify as well as Scotland going its own way.

Of course....... an epiphany ......the UK is England......with a few annoying attachments ......the annoying attachments being viewed by Westminster in same way as my gran views skin tags.

18 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

As a Frenchman, I want Scotland to regain control of its destiny, obtain independence to join us within the EU.

France will be coming out once Marine gets in.

 

But regarding the Scotts case. I remember 'Once in a generation' being branded about. A generation is 21 years.

52 minutes ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

 

The Scots voted to remain in a United Kingdom which was a member of the EU. At the time Brexit was not a consideration.

 

The UK is no longer in the EU.

 

What the Scots voted for no longer exists.

 

Why is it you and many other Brexiteers are so scared of giving the Scots a say on their future now that what they voted for in 2014 no longer exists? I thought you were all firm believers in democracy! 

 

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh I do understand, I really do...the Scots did not wish to leave the EU, let them decide now if the uk is really where they want to be.

You don't understand, one last time, the vote consisted of the UK voting, when I say the UK I mean the all of the UK. Scotland is part of the UK, Newcastle didn't want to leave either but because it was part of the UK vote, we left.

Now I don't think we should derail this topic with this petty bickering do you?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

Then your probably not worried if they hold a binding referendum on it. I mean you want the people to choose. So let them have their choice. Now that Brexit happened things have changed opinions have change let the Scots have their say.

9 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

France will be coming out once Marine gets in.

 

But regarding the Scotts case. I remember 'Once in a generation' being branded about. A generation is 21 years.

Once in a lifetime, and assuming we are not talking about a Tasmanian Tiger that would make it 79 years.????

15 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

once Marine gets in

5555

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

You don't understand, one last time, the vote consisted of the UK voting, when I say the UK I mean the all of the UK. Scotland is part of the UK, Newcastle didn't want to leave either but because it was part of the UK vote, we left.

Now I don't think we should derail this topic with this petty bickering do you?

 

 

 

Newcastle?...now that is deflection. We are talking about Scotland's right to vote on independence.

 

I think the way the wishes of Scottish people were ignored is central to this topic.

 

The Scots voted to remain in the EU and now they should be given the choice as to whether they wish to remain in the uk, given their views were ignored regarding the EU.

 

The new circumstances mean the position of many may well have now changed with regard to being part of the uk..

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Newcastle didn't want to leave either

ßloody hell it's a country now?.......I need to stop reading the Express.

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Then your probably not worried if they hold a binding referendum on it. I mean you want the people to choose. So let them have their choice. Now that Brexit happened things have changed opinions have change let the Scots have their say.

Rob the world changes daily, we cannot live our lives by reneging on democratic decisions because it didn't go the way we wanted it to or because some people may want revenge for a decision that didn't go their way also.