Meghan and Harry to lift lid on royal split in Oprah interview

[Pilotman]

Has anyone beside me on here ever met and interacted with UK Royal advisors and Palace Aides?  Bar the Military aides, they are a bunch of entitled stuck up morons.  Most of them live as if in the 1800s and cling onto outdated ideas of what is right and correct.  They are universally cringeworthy and lack any kind of common sense, or knowledge of what the real world is like.  I would not give them credit for anything, bar being able to plan a good parade. The were instrumental in the tragedy of Diana, cover ups of every kind are a way of life for them, in the name of 'protecting' the Firm.  The are losers, looking for a free flat, a nice pension to go with it and  a pretty gong to retire with.  Good on Harry and Megan that they have escaped that lot.  Good on Megan for pulling the Ginger One away from that life, one he clearly hated anyway, to a new and much better life in the US, miles away from the historical accident that is his family. So he uses that connection to make bags of money, so what, we would all do the same in his position and who cares anyway.  I like their story, they should keep giving it to the man and tell the truth about those Palace idiots.  Sorry Your Maj; I don't mean you.  

 

Ed: great example of all I have just written.  The Queen made a statement to the Commonwealth , speaking of unity and friendship.  What unity and friendship is that then, there isn't any. We have nothing in common with each other, most of the time we don't even like each other.  Its just clinging to an outdated idea of Empire. 

[JonnyF]

 

His [Harry's] mother was actually very similar. Expertly manipulating the media and public with "tell all" interviews when it suited her, and then complaining about all the media intrusion when it didn't. She loved playing the victim card as well but unlike Harry she actually had some legitimate complaints.

 

Meghan has isolated herself from her family and now she's isolated Harry from his. A real piece of work that one.

[CharlieH]

Troll posts removed.

[GinBoy2]

So as i watch this spectacle, any bets on whether is was Prince Philip who was the one who wondered how dark Archie's skin would be?

 

[OneMoreFarang]

9 hours ago, colinneil said:

Poor ole Harry, being dragged into this by his scheming wife.

Grow a pair Harry, before it is too late, she dont care about you, it is all me, me, me.

Any public sympathy you had is fast disappearing.

Maybe he should come to Thailand and have some fun. After a few nights out he will realize she is not the only female...

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The question one has to ask then, is would they be as successful if Harry had been a plumber from the east end of London

That would depend on how good he was at 'stopping leaks', so to speak.

[Dogmatix]

Two utterly unremarkable people devoid of brains or talent at loggerheads with other unremarkable people devoid of brains or talent. Why should we care about any of them? 

 

When the queen goes would be a good moment to cancel the whole and remove all titles and civil list payments.  India did that with all its various royals after independence and the country has survived. If it needs to be kept on, restrict the titles and privileges to the monarch and those in direct line to the throne only. That's what they have done in Sweden. Instead of being paid for unproductive work like unveiling statues, their minor royals are called Mr and Ms and have to work for a living. 

 

Without the royal connection Meghan would be a faded bit part actress no longer getting work and Harry would be a young man who couldn't make it to university doing a job like selling insurance or selling suits in a department store.  But in as much as their rants make British people reconsider what they want and need out of monarchy it is a good thing.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, sungod said:

This is a shame seeing him go on self destruct, he has done tremendous things for physically and mentally injured soldiers. The Invictus games are simply inspiring. There is a alot of respect for Harry in the armed forces due to the fact he has been there, shared it and genuinely cares.

I would agree with that comment, however I believe he needs to grow a pair of cojones.

 

The problem with a controlling and strong-minded woman goes something along these lines..... "when she's got you by the balls your heart and mind will follow". And that's a shame.

[mtls2005]

How hard can it be to welcome new members into your family with open-arms, love and respect?

 

Note to queen: We won't be back.

 

 

[webfact]

Meghan accuses UK royals of racism, says 'didn't want to be alive'

By Michael Holden and Guy Faulconbridge

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's Prince Harry and his wife Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, holding their son Archie, meet Archbishop Desmond Tutu at the Desmond & Leah Tutu Legacy Foundation in Cape Town, South Africa, September 25, 2019. REUTERS/Toby Melville/Pool

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Meghan, the wife of Prince Harry, accused Britain's royal family of raising concerns about how dark their son's skin might be and pushing her to the brink of suicide, in a tell-all television interview that could send shockwaves through the monarchy.

 

The 39-year-old, whose mother is Black and father is white, said she had been naive before she married into royalty in 2018, but that she ended up having suicidal thoughts and considering self harm after pleading for help but getting none.

 

Meghan said that her son Archie, now aged one, had been denied the title of prince because there were concerns within the royal family about "about how dark his skin might be when he's born".

 

"That was relayed to me from Harry, those were conversations that family had with him," Meghan recounted in an interview with Oprah Winfrey aired on CBS late on Sunday.

 

Meghan declined to say who had aired such concerns, as did Harry, who said his family had cut them off financially and that his father Prince Charles, heir to the British throne, had let him down and refused to take his calls at one point.

 

Buckingham Palace had no immediate comment about the interview, which aired in the early hours of Monday morning in Britain.

 

The sit-down conversation with Winfrey was the most anticipated royal interview since Harry's late mother Princess Diana shared intimate details of her failed marriage to Charles in 1995, denting the heir's reputation and the family's standing in the eyes of the British public.

 

Nearly three years since her star-studded wedding in Windsor Castle, Meghan described some unidentified members of the royal household as brutal, mendacious and guilty of racist remarks.

 

She also accused Kate, the wife of her husband's elder brother Prince William, of making her cry before her wedding.

 

While the family came in for open criticism, neither Harry nor Meghan attacked Queen Elizabeth directly.

 

Still, Meghan said she had been silenced by "the Firm" - which Elizabeth heads - and that her pleas for help while in distress at racist reporting and her predicament had fallen on deaf ears.

 

"I just didn't want to be alive any more. And that was a very clear and real and frightening constant thought. And I remember how he (Harry) just cradled me," Meghan said, wiping away tears.

 

'REALLY LET DOWN'

Harry and Meghan's announcement in January, 2020, that they intended to step down from their royal roles plunged the family into crisis. Last month, Buckingham Palace confirmed the split would be permanent, as the couple looks to forge an independent life in the United States.

 

Harry, 36, said they had stepped back from royal duties because of a lack of understanding, and he was worried about history repeating itself - a reference to the death of his mother Diana who was killed in a 1997 crash as her car sped away from chasing photographers.

 

Asked what his mother would say about events, he said: "I think she would feel very angry with how this has panned out and very sad."

 

He felt "really let down" by his father, and added: "My family literally cut me off financially."

 

Harry denied blindsiding Queen Elizabeth, his grandmother, with his decision to shun life within the monarchy, but said his father stopped taking his calls at one point.

 

"I had three conversations with my grandmother, and two conversations with my father before he stopped taking my calls. And then he said, can you put this all in writing?"

 

Detractors say the couple wanted the limelight, but were not willing to live with the attention it brought.

 

To supporters, their treatment shows how an outdated British institution lashed out against a modern, independent biracial woman.

 

LIES AND TEARS

There have also been allegations of bullying against Meghan which appeared in The Times newspaper in the buildup to the couple's appearance. Buckingham Palace said it would investigate the claims, adding it was "very concerned."

 

Meghan told Winfrey that people within the royal institution not only failed to protect her against malicious claims but lied to protect others.

 

"It was only once we were married and everything started to really worsen that I came to understand that not only was I not being protected but that they were willing to lie to protect other members of the family," Meghan said.

 

Meghan denied a newspaper story that she had made Kate, Duchess of Cambridge, cry before the wedding and said it was a turning point in her relations with the media and the palace.

 

"The reverse happened," Meghan said. "A few days before the wedding she (Kate) was upset about something, pertaining to yes the issue was correct about the flower girl dresses, and it made me cry. And it really hurt my feelings."

 

Meghan, who said they were not paid for the interview, conceded she had not realised what she was marrying into when she joined the British monarchy and "went into it naively".

 

The couple also revealed that Meghan, who is pregnant with their second child, was expecting a girl.

 

Harry said Meghan had "saved" him from his trapped royal life. "I would disagree, I think he saved all of us. You made a decision that certainly saved my life," Meghan said.

 

"This is in some ways just the beginning for us."

 

(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge and Michael Holden; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

 

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[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

Two utterly unremarkable people devoid of brains or talent at loggerheads with other unremarkable people devoid of brains or talent. Why should we care about any of them? 

 

When the queen goes would be a good moment to cancel the whole and remove all titles and civil list payments.  India did that with all its various royals after independence and the country has survived. If it needs to be kept on, restrict the titles and privileges to the monarch and those in direct line to the throne only. That's what they have done in Sweden. Instead of being paid for unproductive work like unveiling statues, their minor royals are called Mr and Ms and have to work for a living. 

 

Without the royal connection Meghan would be a faded bit part actress no longer getting work and Harry would be a young man who couldn't make it to university doing a job like selling insurance or selling suits in a department store.  But in as much as their rants make British people reconsider what they want and need out of monarchy it is a good thing.

Harry flew combat in a helicopter gun ship in Afghanistan, his second tour there.   Has anyone on here done anything remotely that brave and  committing, unless an old Vietnam vet?  Respect for his service.  He is far from an idiot and he has more millions now and coming then anyone on this forum.  So who are the dim ones here eh?? 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

Two utterly unremarkable people devoid of brains or talent at loggerheads with other unremarkable people devoid of brains or talent. Why should we care about any of them? 

 

When the queen goes would be a good moment to cancel the whole and remove all titles and civil list payments.  India did that with all its various royals after independence and the country has survived. If it needs to be kept on, restrict the titles and privileges to the monarch and those in direct line to the throne only. That's what they have done in Sweden. Instead of being paid for unproductive work like unveiling statues, their minor royals are called Mr and Ms and have to work for a living. 

 

Without the royal connection Meghan would be a faded bit part actress no longer getting work and Harry would be a young man who couldn't make it to university doing a job like selling insurance or selling suits in a department store.  But in as much as their rants make British people reconsider what they want and need out of monarchy it is a good thing.

 

Unremarkable, says anonymous poster.

 

As for him, sure a great head start, but he doesn't come off as a bad guy or a complete airhead. Couple of military tours abroad, involvement with the Invictus Games. Sounds like a good enough guy to have a drink or two with.

 

Her? If not mistaken, her last acting job was earning her about 50k US$ a month. Not too shabby, and in the highly competitive world of acting, she's was already a winner. 

 

Far as I'm aware both got decent enough educations as well, not sure what were the couldn't make it to UNI or the salesmanship job bits about.

 

It's ok not to like them, though.

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Having severed their official royal ties, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will explain why they abandoned Britain to move to California and start new lives.

$, lots of $.

[curlylekan]

I'm not British and I can see where there are plu and minuses to the royal family, but I'd take the royal's side over a Hollywood drama queen and her hypocrisy anyday.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Has anyone beside me on here ever met and interacted with UK Royal advisors and Palace Aides?  Bar the Military aides, they are a bunch of entitled stuck up morons.  Most of them live as if in the 1800s and cling onto outdated ideas of what is right and correct.  They are universally cringeworthy and lack any kind of common sense, or knowledge of what the real world is like.  I would not give them credit for anything, bar being able to plan a good parade. The were instrumental in the tragedy of Diana, cover ups of every kind are a way of life for them, in the name of 'protecting' the Firm.  The are losers, looking for a free flat, a nice pension to go with it and  a pretty gong to retire with.  Good on Harry and Megan that they have escaped that lot.  Good on Megan for pulling the Ginger One away from that life, one he clearly hated anyway, to a new and much better life in the US, miles away from the historical accident that is his family. So he uses that connection to make bags of money, so what, we would all do the same in his position and who cares anyway.  I like their story, they should keep giving it to the man and tell the truth about those Palace idiots.  Sorry Your Maj; I don't mean you.  

 

Ed: great example of all I have just written.  The Queen made a statement to the Commonwealth , speaking of unity and friendship.  What unity and friendship is that then, there isn't any. We have nothing in common with each other, most of the time we don't even like each other.  Its just clinging to an outdated idea of Empire. 

 

So what was your job and how on earth did you get it?

[Pilotman]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

So what was your job and how on earth did you get it?

I was in the Military for 24 years and had occasion to deal with them when I had to organise a display for Her Maj.  Even with the intervention of the RAF ADC, a good man, they were a nightmare to deal with.  No common sense at all and no understanding of what was being planned, or what had to be done to achieve the aim, just a supercilious attitude to the difficulties of the minions tasked with achieving it. Totally clueless. 

[Justgrazing]

Self lamenting , self serving , delusional , hypocritical drama queen only interested in perpetuating her own distorted perceptions .. said nothing about her own father which smacked of the highest of double standards all the while displaying no compassion to the situation a 94 yr old monarch whose 99 yr old husband lies in hospital .. the girl is a pyrahna no more no less .. 

[Dogmatix]

It was pretty naive of her not to realise what marrying into the Firm was going to be like.  Harry has been forced to give up an easy job with good pay that he loved and was totally cut out for, however fatuous, as well as been estranged from his family that he also loved, however idiotic and selfish most of them may be.  He must have moments of reflexion when he wonders how it would have been if he had just picked one of the hooray Henriettas that threw themselves at him instead of the woke and didn't have to go into exile and slag his family on TV.

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Harry flew combat in a helicopter gun ship in Afghanistan, his second tour there.   Has anyone on here done anything remotely that brave and  committing, unless an old Vietnam vet?  Respect for his service.  He is far from an idiot and he has more millions now and coming then anyone on this forum.  So who are the dim ones here eh?? 

Born into money and privilege has nothing to do with his brains and all to do with how easy it was for to have millions.

[Pilotman]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Born into money and privilege has nothing to do with his brains and all to do with how easy it was for to have millions.

He inherited $25 million from his Mum, he is now worth 20 times that, by his own efforts and those of Megan?  He will be worth 100 times that in a few years. 

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

He inherited $25 million from his Mum, he is now worth 20 times that, by his own efforts and those of Megan?  He will be worth 100 times that in a few years. 

Which is not difficult to do if born into money and privilege.

 

Yet complains about now having to pay for security.

[Sujo]

All that money and he had to rely on the inheritance from his mother when he left.

 

https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/meghan-markle-prince-harry-are-relying-on-dianas-inheritance-after-royal-exit-internet-asks-how-much-3510311.html

[Pilotman]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Which is not difficult to do if born into money and privilege.

 

Yet complains about now having to pay for security.

really? Plenty of rich people have lost all their money by being idiots. He won't, because he isn't. 

He has never complained about having to pay for his security, not ever,  not once.  That was a made up story by the media and about the US making poor assumptions about what he wanted and would pay for.  

[Pilotman]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

All that money and he had to rely on the inheritance from his mother when he left.

 

https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/meghan-markle-prince-harry-are-relying-on-dianas-inheritance-after-royal-exit-internet-asks-how-much-3510311.html

That's what an inheritance is for, spending.  You are just blindly following the stories pushed out by a biased media. 

[PETERTHEEATER]

Wow! Big woman. Is this interviewer the one Americans refer to as 'The Grand Old Oprey' ?

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

That's what an inheritance is for, spending.  You are just blindly following the stories pushed out by a biased media. 

Why would he need to spend his inheritance if he has made so much himself.

[Pilotman]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why would he need to spend his inheritance if he has made so much himself.

what a very odd question.  He was a Captain in the Army, look up the pay grade.  Of course he would use his inheritance to set up in a new country with a new wife and baby.  What would you do?  Give it away to charity presumably, or burn it in the driveway? 

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

really? Plenty of rich people have lost all their money by being idiots. He won't, because he isn't. 

He has never complained about having to pay for his security, not ever,  not once.  That was a made up story by the media and about the US making poor assumptions about what he wanted and would pay for.  

But those with privilege and money have not, especially those that are paid by taxpayers.

 

His wife in the interview just complained the palace would not provide security.

[Pilotman]

Just now, Sujo said:

But those with privilege and money have not, especially those that are paid by taxpayers.

 

His wife in the interview just complained the palace would not provide security.

That is a statement of fact, not a request. 

[Sujo]

Just now, Pilotman said:

what a very odd question.  He was a Captain in the Army, look up the pay grade.  Of course he would use his inheritance to set up in a new country with a new wife and baby.  What would you do?  Give it away to charity presumably, or burn it in the driveway? 

Why would i need it if i was so good with money and raking in millions. Why would he need to dip into inheritance.