2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

  The hospitals here are very full, the field hospitals are isolating people and now they have Hospitels to assist as well.  Testing more is needed in my view in order to see the true numbers, but by doing so will only increase the numbers in all of the facilities.

Frankly speaking, this isolation of asymptomatic/light cases in field hospitals will not work. People will just skip testing, and avoid being placed in those detention centers. This isolation can't be enforeced in reality.

 

Waht they need is more ventilators and more facilities to handle heavy cases.

22 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

This is the difference between us. We did not close down, did not kick the staff out and my people are getting salries. And we keep paying taxes here, thus supporting the country. But some reasonable management from governemnt is needed to help the businesses...

The difference between your company and my company is obvious. We worked internationally supporting Hotel security and casino security by doing on site investigations throughout all of SE Asia and back in Nevada.  When the pandemic hit many Hotels, Casino's closed up, shut down and canceled contracts.  Not much can be done as far as managing a sinking ship where there was no business to be had.  Fortunately, I learned to invest in my own company instead of taking the profits and upon closing down had plenty of funds to cover everything needed.  To open up as you continually propose would destroy your business in it's entirety, time for you to look inward and have a deep introverted look at what is really important.  Covid has changed the playing field for us all.

5 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Frankly speaking, this isolation of asymptomatic/light cases in field hospitals will not work. People will just skip testing, and avoid being placed in those detention centers. This isolation can't be enforeced in reality.

 

Waht they need is more ventilators and more facilities to handle heavy cases.

You've missed the point, thousands are entering hospitals and field hospitals everyday, that is the policy, its not changing, this can not last for long before its in complete shutdown through being overwhelmed.

 

To avoid this and to avoid the need to purchase more ventilators then the ONLY solution is lockdown. This will also reduce further unnecessary deaths and serious cases.

6 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Frankly speaking, this isolation of asymptomatic/light cases in field hospitals will not work. People will just skip testing, and avoid being placed in those detention centers. This isolation can't be enforeced in reality.

 

Waht they need is more ventilators and more facilities to handle heavy cases.

And so you propose letting Thailand sink like those other countries with the millions of infected and deaths.  Were you made God, and decided your interests outweigh the rest of this country.  Covid is a serious issue, and the numbers will rise as they are unless some serious steps are taken.  Have a good day.  I agree to disagree with your viewpoint.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

To avoid this and to avoid the need to purchase more ventilators then the ONLY solution is lockdown. This will also reduce further unnecessary deaths and serious cases.

They do need to purchase more ventilators.

Lockdowns were justified one year ago. But if now someone is going for lockdown this means he wasted one year and did not prepare.

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And so you propose letting Thailand sink like those other countries with the millions of infected and deaths. 

I am not proposing that. I am looking of what can be done to prevent this country sinking either from the virus or from economical problems.

4 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

They do need to purchase more ventilators.

Lockdowns were justified one year ago. But if now someone is going for lockdown this means he wasted one year and did not prepare.

They've got 10,000 ventilators according to official statement. Currenty they have 91 people on ventilators, if you think they are going to be running out then we really are in trouble and lockdown is even more important to do right now.

 

Yes its a wasted year, we have the government promoting travel over Songkran to thank for that, now we are living with the consequences of their ridiculous decisions.

4 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

I am not proposing that. I am looking of what can be done to prevent this country sinking either from the virus or from economical problems.

Thailand's Government feels that they have found the middle ground and we all have to live with it, even if we do not agree at how they are going about it. It may not be what you want, but it is time to look at your business in another light and change your model if possible.  Train your own folks so that the technical aspects can be handled in house, and try and not get overly engrossed in things you can not change.

 

https://www.facebook.com/NationNews/posts/10157932434156937

 

 

8 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

I am not proposing that. I am looking of what can be done to prevent this country sinking either from the virus or from economical problems.

You are looking ? so you really think they will take notice of you  or are you writing your answers on a postcard and sending to the PM ?

As posted above, the government said today they are preparing to expand their numbers of ICU beds around the country to meet the rising demand:

 

Per Richard Barrow:

 

"Out of the 262 ICU beds in #Bangkok, there are only 69 left. Health officials estimate that they will run out in 6-8 days if the rate of infection continues as it is. Nationwide, there are only 1,000 beds. Enough for only another 19 days"

 

https://www.facebook.com/richardbarrowthailand/posts/318455079640762

 

 

 

 

Latest tests published

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

As posted above, the government said today they are preparing to expand their numbers of ICU beds around the country to meet the rising demand:

 

Per Richard Barrow:

 

"Out of the 262 ICU beds in #Bangkok, there are only 69 left. Health officials estimate that they will run out in 6-8 days if the rate of infection continues as it is. Nationwide, there are only 1,000 beds. Enough for only another 19 days"

 

https://www.facebook.com/richardbarrowthailand/posts/318455079640762

 

 

 

 

All very confusing. Another poster said Thailand has 10,000 ventilators available. How can they have 10,000 ventilators but only 1,000 ICU beds? 

54 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

That's what happens when you appoint generals and not experts in positions

Look how well it worked at Thai Airways...appointing Air Force Marshals to key management and executive posts.

Some gruesome, yet necessary, advice posted by the government to Facebook today regarding guidance for how to handle the bodies of people who die after being infected with COVID... Per Facebook's English translation:

 

"When COVID-19 patients die.

There should be a way to manage the corpse of COVID-19 infected patients.

1. When the patient dies, the secretions in the corpse can still be infected.

2. Control the secretions by keeping the body in a zip bag. At least two layers of waterproof zip and use disinfectant to apply outside the morgue bag.

3. Do not open the mortuary bag. No funeral shower, watering the body and injection.

4. Pack the body with the bag in the casket and close the coffin. Relatives can safely take the body to perform religious ritual.

5. Burning or burial will not cause infections."

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/311200067164991

 

 

5 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

All very confusing. Another poster said Thailand has 10,000 ventilators available. How can they have 10,000 ventilators but only 1,000 ICU beds? 

 

April 20 report:

 

The government claims there are 10,000 ventilators available. 666,210 people in Thailand have now received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/covid-update-tuesday-ccsa-report-records-1443-new-infections

 

That said not all ventilators are equal, they may be just stating their entire total.

Per The Nation:

 

"An elderly woman [with COVID] reportedly died while waiting for an ambulance to take her to a hospital from her house in Bangkok’s Bang Kho Laem district."

 

https://www.facebook.com/NationNews/posts/10157932427566937

 

 

34 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Waht they need is more ventilators

From what I understand, once you're on a vent, it's time to call in the monks. 

3 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

"Out of the 262 ICU beds in #Bangkok, there are only 69 left. Health officials estimate that they will run out in 6-8 days if the rate of infection continues as it is. Nationwide, there are only 1,000 beds. Enough for only another 19 days"

Extremely worrying

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Latest tests published

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php

Uk conducting nearly 1,000,000 tests a day, Thailand 15,000 ish. Thai infections appear to be 10% of all those tested. Quite obvious to me now that Thailand's great numbers are a complete untesting farce and based on keeping numbers low that way - after all they just quoted ability to test 20 odd million a day. So unless they have no tests they are just limiting them

 

One year after the pandemic the Thailand testing numbers are pathetic. 

Make of it what you will...  From the government just now:

 

[Note: As far as I understand it, the 28,000 beds number reported below includes traditional hospital beds, the various temporary field hospital facilities that have been established and the growing numbers of "hospitel" (hospital-hotel) beds being deployed. But only a relatively small portion of the traditional hospital beds right now are capable of treating seriously ill COVID patients.]

 

"According to the Center for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), the Government has prepared medical equipment and medicine for COVID-19 treatment and for preventing the disease effectively. There is no policy that people who are infected with COVID-19 will be home-isolated and receive treatment alone at home. The Government will provide accommodations, including general hospitals, field hospitals, and "hospitels," in accordancewith the severity of symptoms.

 

Medical equipment available is as follows

1. Favipiravir medicine in stock, with 340,000 doses. The import of 1,000,000 doses is in process, and more than 1,000,000 doses are being ordered;

2. Up to 28,000 beds for COVID patients in both government and private hospitals;

3. 10,000 ventilators;

4. 1,600,000 N95 masks;

5. 94,000,000 face masks.

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4191926267497422

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

This is the difference between us. We did not close down, did not kick the staff out and my people are getting salries. And we keep paying taxes here, thus supporting the country. But some reasonable management from governemnt is needed to help the businesses...

 

IF, I was a business owner in Thailand, 

 

Indeed for most expats/foreigners etc in Thailand. expecting reasonable management of ANYTHING in Thailand from government, isn't expected!

2 hours ago, phills2k1 said:

I'm STUNNED there's nobody in here yet to say, "it's only 2,000, what's the big deal??"

It's only 2,000, what's the big deal??

I have not seen any “R” numbers for Thailand reported? The R number is the number of uninflected people one Covid positive person will likely infect 

 

if the number is below 1 the virus will burn itself out - how much beyond 1 the R number is allows for projections or rate of spread - 

2 minutes ago, Phaser said:

I have not seen any “R” numbers for Thailand reported? The R number is the number of uninflected people one Covid positive person will likely infect 

 

if the number is below 1 the virus will burn itself out - how much beyond 1 the R number is allows for projections or rate of spread - 

You cannot report an R number unless you have a good understanding of progress of infections, and you cannot do that without mass testing to all that come

 

Thailand’s medical system facing its biggest test as virus surges back 

 

With COVID-19 cases now rising by more than 1,000 per day, many Thais are wondering whether the country’s healthcare sector will crumble under the pressure.

 

Despite the launch of field hospitals and “hospitels” (hotels turned into hospitals) concern is rising that the limited medical workforce may soon be overburdened.

...

Thailand currently has 20,000 COVID-19 patients hospitalised – not a huge number compared to the size of the medical workforce. However, if the ongoing wave of COVID-19 infections continues, the collapse of the healthcare sector may be imminent given that medics also have to treat patients with other diseases.

 

Rewat Wisutwet, an opposition MP and medical doctor, recently warned that if Thailand’s health system and workers are overwhelmed, it would not just be COVID-19 patients that died, but also others who were denied treatment for serious diseases."

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailands-medical-system-facing-its-biggest-test-as-virus-surges-back/

 

 

Be safe out there everyone. & protect yourself at all times.
At this rate it probably won't be long until they announce a full national lock down, and most likely an alcohol ban as well just like they did last year



 

"According to Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul, Pfizer is likely to deliver 10 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccine but the arrival has yet to be scheduled.

 

Mr Anutin said the procurement was discussed smoothly with Pfizer on Thursday and its representative assured 10 million doses would be available for Thailand but a delivery date had not been concluded yet. The government then asked the company to work out the schedule, price and relevant conditions of the vaccine as soon as possible.

 

Mr Anutin also said that 500,000 doses of COVID-19 vaccine from Sinovac would arrive in Thailand on April 24. Besides, the Chinese embassy in Bangkok informed the government that China would donate 500,000 more doses for Thai people."

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10157968656637050

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

As predicted, we are now seeing a jump in cases probably from the travel and large group and family gatherings over the Songkran. Once we move past this blip, the new infections should return to pre-Songkran levels. 

Yes, this is very likely indeed. 
But for now, i think they should just put the country into full hard lock down

For anyone looking for a bit of good news, this chart compiled by Peter Scully PhD, with mobility data from Google, suggests that a lot of people stayed home and did not travel during Songkran (relative to public holidays last year). 

 

The chart below shows during the replacement Songkran holidays in 2020, visits to parks (defined by Google as national parks, beaches, marinas, dog parks etc...) was inversely proportional to visits to workplaces. Meaning visits to "parks" rose as much as visits to "workplaces" fell. Meanwhile during Songkran 2021, visits to "parks" increased much less than the amount of visits to "workplaces" fell. 

 

Make of that what you will, I'm hoping the virus spread during Songkran won't be hard as we were expecting. 

 

Source: dashboard-covid-19-thailand_april23rd2021_pm.pdf (wordpress.com)

2021-04-18_TH_Mobility_Report_en.pdf (gstatic.com)