Thailand’s prime minister asked to reconsider another national lockdown

[VBF]

17 hours ago, placnx said:

Commonly in the US there is a vaccination card from CDC, but it's up to the jurisdiction whether they use it or make something up! CDC apparently maintains a vaccination database for everyone born in the US with lot/batch, but access is limited. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/reporting/

Thank you - whilst not wishing to totally derail the topic, in the UK we have the "NHS App" which is accessible via an App or a browser. Once you optionally sign up and verify your ID (PP or DL) it shows one's medical history, procedures, vacs, meds. A conspiracy theorist's worst nightmare before anyone else says it!???? 

[BobinBKK]

On 4/26/2021 at 5:54 AM, colinneil said:

Too late for a lockdown, the virus is everywhere, due to the stupidity of people travelling for songkran, and Prayuts mob for allowing it to happen.

Prayuts mob and all the hi-so's going to the Thong lo girlie-bars to buy a lady to relieve themselves inside of ????

[Thomas J]

38 minutes ago, candide said:

(1) the objective of lockdown is to stop an outbreak/wave, not to stop a global pandemy

If you believe that OK.  As pointed out for months.  OK even if you get to the point where there is zero cases of Covid in Thailand.  Then What?  Some flaws with your statements.  There is no way of determining if Thailand had done nothing, if there instances of Covid infections would be worse.  Pure conjecture.  Using Sweden who did nothing.  Their rate of Covid infections is about the same as the rest of Europe.  

Even assuming the draconian measure are effective.  Is that really something that Thailand or the rest of the world can exist under for an indefinite period of time.  Again, the world has been unable to control many diseases despite having decades of time to develop vaccines.  

My risk of catching TB, Malaria, Dengue Fever, is far higher than my risk of catching Covid based on the number of cases annually.  But I did not as most people didn't sequester themselves inside their homes out of fear of those diseases.  The recovery rate is 99.5%.  If you have pre-existing conditions, or are obese you should take special precautions.  However to make all of Thailand and for that matter the rest of the world live "in fear" of going out and enjoying life is just ridiculous.  If you choose to do so, that is your choice.  However this pandemic has gone to the point of irrational hysteria and if you look at the world numbers all the steps taken have not stopped the spread of it.  Would it be worse without those steps?  Maybe.  Again, Swedens rate of infection is about the same as the rest of Europe and certainly many African nations with almost zero restrictions have amongst the lowest covid rates in the world.  Life is full of risks.  I face far more risk going out each and every day driving on Thailands roads than I do from contracting Covid.  Again, each person is free to choose if they are so afraid that they don't wish to venture out.  

[placnx]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That's a bit of a cop-out!  You can't deny he makes some interesting points, especially this one:

 

Perhaps the draconian measures make some feel safer but there is no question they are killing people in other ways as the economy craters and based on the results of the past 18 months the world has made little progress in containing this one.  If anything the draconian measures have turned this pandemic into hysteria as you look at the news media and 8 of the 10 headlines each and every day provide scary headlines.  The fact remains, you are more likely to die driving on a street in Thailand than you are dying from Covid. 

However, the number of deaths from traffic fatalities will be passed by Covid, not to mention the chronic illness of survivors, considering that the double-mutation Indian variant is likely to arrive before enough can be vaccinated here, and that's not even considering the likelihood of new variants emerging in India.

 

All the negative news certainly adds to Covid fatigue, but suppressing news would be worse.

Edited April 27, 2021 by placnx
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[Dogmatix]

No national lockdown.  The government has run out of money.

[10baht]

  On 4/26/2021 at 8:16 AM, 10baht said:

How about disease infected THAIS who do not need a neg. test 72 hour before flying in.

All arrivals (by air) are quarantined..

 

 

How does that work on the plane?

[Thomas J]

https://www.woodtv.com/health/coronavirus/single-pill-cure-for-covid-19-could-be-available-this-year/?fbclid=IwAR3e47YLRBTe3wguj5IEHnl1gtcwyU3lwmbV0Ry_M2aA4dNEHDru70M5w7s

 

 

[rumak]

oh,   its a coming ...............

[brewsterbudgen]

35 minutes ago, rumak said:

oh,   its a coming ...............

Do you think so?  I thought the trend was downward?

[rumak]

22 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Do you think so?  I thought the trend was downward?

 

well, maybe they won't CALL it a lockdown........... but they just closed our playground today.

So,  you have to wear a mask at all times,  you can't go out to exercise,  everyone is hiding under their desks.............. 

Maybe thats enough for the time being.   Keep everyone on a yo yo with alternating blah blah  "we have it under control.......  should be opening up on may  july   october    "

 

My thoughts on this whole matter are similar to my thoughts on most problems in the world.  (no need to go into that   LOL )     

 

Well anyway,    IMO   the "trend"  is going to have the world on a roller coaster for a long time yet.    I don't even know which conspiracy theory I believe .    But,  there may be one or two that would interest me   ????

 

Farangs with nice big bank accounts or pensions :   " sure enjoying the peace and quiet"

Farangs seperated from their families and stuck in limbo   "this sucks"

Farangs seperated from their "girlfriendsssss"  :  "this internet sex is getting old,  but I am saving a lot of money " !

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by rumak

[Jeffr2]

33 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

well, maybe they won't CALL it a lockdown........... but they just closed our playground today.

So,  you have to wear a mask at all times,  you can't go out to exercise,  everyone is hiding under their desks.............. 

Maybe thats enough for the time being.   Keep everyone on a yo yo with alternating blah blah  "we have it under control.......  should be opening up on may  july   october    "

 

My thoughts on this whole matter are similar to my thoughts on most problems in the world.  (no need to go into that   LOL )     

 

Well anyway,    IMO   the "trend"  is going to have the world on a roller coaster for a long time yet.    I don't even know which conspiracy theory I believe .    But,  there may be one or two that would interest me   ????

 

Farangs with nice big bank accounts or pensions :   " sure enjoying the peace and quiet"

Farangs seperated from their families and stuck in limbo   "this sucks"

Farangs seperated from their "girlfriendsssss"  :  "this internet sex is getting old,  but I am saving a lot of money " !

 

 

I don't know anyone hiding under their desk.  That's a statement made mainly by covid deniers.

 

Here's the reality in Thailand.  Bangkok is in trouble.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1387268302670491651/photo/1

Number of critically ill patients in Bangkok. First row is showing the the date from 21 April to 27 April. The second row is the number of people in ICU and the third row the number of people on ventilators

 

[brewsterbudgen]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I don't know anyone hiding under their desk.  That's a statement made mainly by covid deniers.

 

Here's the reality in Thailand.  Bangkok is in trouble.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1387268302670491651/photo/1

Number of critically ill patients in Bangkok. First row is showing the the date from 21 April to 27 April. The second row is the number of people in ICU and the third row the number of people on ventilators

 

 

What is meant by a "Covid denier"?  Surely no one denies Covid exists?  I can see how some could be termed "lockdown deniers" as not everyone believes they are effective, or they think they cause more harm than good.  But I'm surprised anyone would deny Covid or deny that there is a global pandemic.

Edited April 28, 2021 by brewsterbudgen
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[pokerface1]

They have to lockdown now without doubt. This would be help to isolate and hopefully eliminate the present strains of the virus which are no where near as dangerous as the Indian Variant.

They need to recognize and start preparing for the Indian Variant which if not controlled straight away will spread though Thailand  with 2 months.

Even the young and healthy are dying so they are vaccinating all those over 18yo.

LOCKDOWN NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!

[VBF]

3 hours ago, pokerface1 said:

They have to lockdown now without doubt. This would be help to isolate and hopefully eliminate the present strains of the virus which are no where near as dangerous as the Indian Variant.

They need to recognize and start preparing for the Indian Variant which if not controlled straight away will spread though Thailand  with 2 months.

Even the young and healthy are dying so they are vaccinating all those over 18yo.

LOCKDOWN NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!

As something of a (former) lockdown sceptic I have to agree with you, sadly.  

 

And for ****'s sake get the bloody vaccinations going!!!!!!!

That combination has worked in Israel and here in UK - how terminally stupid can the Thai govt be?

[Thomas J]

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Of course, this damage is not easily measurable or as dramatic as Covid harm

Doctors take an oath to "do no harm"  I am not sure what is being done today follows that principle.

The trouble with the approach that is taken today is exactly as you describe.  Not dramatic.  So you don't get fifty headlines each day about yet another 5 workers at this store that closed, or 10 at this restaurant that can't pay their bills.  Is Covid something to be concerned about - Yes.  However it has become all consuming.  The steps they have taken have yet to be proven to truly have any marked impact on reducing the spread of the virus.  And since we are now on our third wave, even if it had some positive effect, that is lost as soon as those controls are relaxed.  The benefit of those draconian measures is "conjecture" but the impact on the economy, peoples income, loss of home, car, food shortages, etc is a "certainty"  
Did Sweden do it right?  Who knows but based on what I see, their outcome is not materially different to most of Europe yet as you say, the impact on their everyday life has been far less punitive. 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Thomas J

[pokerface1]

12 hours ago, pokerface1 said:

They have to lockdown now without doubt. This would be help to isolate and hopefully eliminate the present strains of the virus which are no where near as dangerous as the Indian Variant.

They need to recognize and start preparing for the Indian Variant which if not controlled straight away will spread though Thailand  with 2 months.

Even the young and healthy are dying so they are vaccinating all those over 18yo.

LOCKDOWN NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!

Today I saw this TV post lets all hope it's sufficient enough and enforced to the Max. 

The Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), headed by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, will be asked to impose lockdowns in the six Deep Red zone provinces, where the rates of new infections are not slowing.

 

 

[Fromas]

Tired of the armchair epidemiologists.

[Danderman123]

On 4/28/2021 at 10:38 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

 One thing that must be true about Sweden's approach is that their citizens are unlikely to have suffered the mental, physical, educational and economic damage that people who underwent lockdowns have.  Of course, this damage is not easily measurable or as dramatic as Covid harm.  

Because many are dead. 

[metisdead]

Several off topic posts and replies about Sweden have been removed. 

[ChipButty]

Going by the area that I live I dont think there is a need for a national lockdown people really are staying away,

I drove along the beach front in Rawai yesterday around 5 pm and it was dead obviously all the bars were closed but so were most of the restaurants normally on a Sunday this is an area lots of Thai's come to for the seafood markets,

Will this be the end for most of them? the rents are not cheap along the beach front, already 2 Family Marts and 1 7/11 closed 

[Thomas J]

They will not only flatten the curve but flatline it. 

[Jeffr2]

18 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

They will not only flatten the curve but flatline it. 

You seem to be confusing the virus versus the economy.

[Thomas J]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You seem to be confusing the virus versus the economy.

LOL 

No you seem to be confusing the fact that the one thing you can honestly state the measures the government has mandated is doing is flattening the economy.  

[Danderman123]

Virtually every country in the world has been hit by the virus. There is simply no way for a government to avoid either mass infections OR damaged economy, almost no one has pulled off avoiding both. In many cases, botched government responses has led to both mass deaths and a crashed economy. But, if a government makes a choice and prevents mass infections, it's not appropriate to criticize them for flattening the economy.

 

When it comes to that choice, let me turn it around:  what if the economy is saved, but YOU die from the virus, is that okay with you?

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

The preceding post was a bit of a trick question, because letting the virus go wild in the hopes of saving the economy doesn't work, because sooner or later, the virus will crash the economy if there are mass deaths.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[Scott]

A post from a questionable source has been removed.  This topic is about Thailand.