Pattaya luxury house shooting: We did everything by the book, claim RTP despite CCTV evidence

[webfact]

Picture: Daily News

 

Following the release of what many have said is damning CCTV footage on Chinese media, the Thai police have stood by their claim that everything was done by the book at a luxury house in Pattaya last Wednesday evening.

 

Two policemen were shot when a group of Thai cops arrived to serve a search warrant. 

 

Daily News reported that both men were now out of danger.

 

Region 2 commander Pol Lt-Gen Roi Inkhaphairot said that all procedures in connection with delivery of a court approved search warrant were followed to the letter.

 

Pressed about scenes of non-uniformed officers rushing the Chinese suspect - believed involved in online gambling - the chief said that "certain media" had shown only certain frames and angles.

 

The reality, he claimed, was that both uniformed and non-uniformed officers were present.

 

CCTV in China showed three scenes - the back of the house at the Phoenix Country Club where non-uniformed officers were mostly running, the swimming pool where a Chinese man starts to run in terror and outside a bedroom where a large number of shots ring out. 

 

There is no footage from the front of the house.

 

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[trainman34014]

Well; i think we all know that the 'Thai Book' has needed rewriting for some considerable time; perhaps another 'reform' to go on Prayuts list of forgotten reforms !

[NCC1701A]

10 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thai police have stood by their claim that everything was done by the book

 

yes. The book "What not to do if you are a policeman for dummies". 

 

Available on Amazon.

 

[kotsak]

Chapter 1 - How to act as a thug

[MikeyIdea]

There are pictures in Thai media of both uniformed and non uniformed policemen approacting the house. They clearly announce (scream) that they are policemen.  Emptying a machine gun magazine directly at people is attempted manslaughter.  Saying "I thought they would kidnap me" doesn't make it less manslaughter because you do not have the right to (try to) kill people to protect yourself according to Thai law. 

[Shuya]

Thailand - the new hub of quality policing. Soon millions of FBI agents are poring in to learn from the best, spending billions of dollars each day. Proudly organized by TAT. 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

the Thai police have stood by their claim that everything was done by the book

Maybe someone competent in police work should write them a new book.

[edwinchester]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Maybe someone competent in police work should write them a new book.

Make sure it has plenty of cartoons or it'll just gather dust on the shelf.

[Chelseafan]

4 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

There are pictures in Thai media of both uniformed and non uniformed policemen approacting the house. They clearly announce (scream) that they are policemen.  Emptying a machine gun magazine directly at people is attempted manslaughter.  Saying "I thought they would kidnap me" doesn't make it less manslaughter because you do not have the right to (try to) kill people to protect yourself according to Thai law. 

 

How do you know they screamed that they are policeman from pictures ? ????

 

[colinneil]

4 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

There are pictures in Thai media of both uniformed and non uniformed policemen approacting the house. They clearly announce (scream) that they are policemen.  Emptying a machine gun magazine directly at people is attempted manslaughter.  Saying "I thought they would kidnap me" doesn't make it less manslaughter because you do not have the right to (try to) kill people to protect yourself according to Thai law. 

Gawd you got some imagination.

You just like the rest of us do not know if they shouted police or not, so stop trying to defend them.

Clearly the Chinese man was not an innocent person, but the police acted like gangsters, not like they should have done.

Then what can you expect from the police farce here.

[bluesofa]

4 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Gawd you got some imagination.

You just like the rest of us do not know if they shouted police or not, so stop trying to defend them.

Clearly the Chinese man was not an innocent person, but the police acted like gangsters, not like they should have done.

Then what can you expect from the police farce here.

Anyone could shout "police!". I can see the Chinese throwing that one in.

[Mr Meeseeks]

They need some foreigners to manage them and train them properly.

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Gawd you got some imagination.

You just like the rest of us do not know if they shouted police or not, so stop trying to defend them.

Clearly the Chinese man was not an innocent person, but the police acted like gangsters, not like they should have done.

Then what can you expect from the police farce here.

If you have a machine gun like that your not innocent and lose all rights. What is it with you people thinking you got the right to defend yourself without making sure these guys are police. I might have looked differently at this if this was a legal gun. But no way is anyone able to legally own a machine gun. So the guy is a criminal.

 

If they shouted police and there were uniformed people in front its all perfectly ok. You do know that in many countries you got a lot of people without a uniform carrying out raids to protect their identity.

[tingtong]

I can see how the man may be scared by the pool, having civilian ppl running toward him.

Whatever they shouting, police or thugs to abduct...the later just as credible assumption by someone.

 

"Misunderstanding" is a handy word often used when backtracking on wrong...

This time the Chinese guy can just cover with that the shooting, quite rightfully.

[MikeyIdea]

53 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

How do you know they screamed that they are policeman from pictures ? ????

 

 

By watching the video that the Chinese themselves posted online, Police, Police, Police, Police, Police,  

[jacko45k]

8 minutes ago, tingtong said:

Whatever they shouting,

In Thai, English or Chinese?

[MikeyIdea]

46 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Gawd you got some imagination.

You just like the rest of us do not know if they shouted police or not, so stop trying to defend them.

Clearly the Chinese man was not an innocent person, but the police acted like gangsters, not like they should have done.

Then what can you expect from the police farce here.

 

Here's a tip for you. Watch the video the Chinese posted online. It sounds silly when you post without having read several sources first.

 

Secondly: It is a criminal offence to shoot someone to protect yourself in many countries in the world, including Thailand. It's a criminal offence regardless of if you're being mugged, robbed, kidnapped. USA is as I understand it an exception. 

 

[MikeyIdea]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

In Thai, English or Chinese?

 

English

[MikeyIdea]

54 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Anyone could shout "police!". I can see the Chinese throwing that one in.

 

It's irrelevant. This is not America. It's a criminal non compoundable offence to shoot someone regardless of reason in this country. 

 

 

[Destiny1990]

Why not go with police cars and uniformed men ringing his doorbell with the search warrant? This looks indeed more like a kidnapping. 

[Rimmer]

off topic post removed

[Benmart]

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

Here's a tip for you. Watch the video the Chinese posted online. It sounds silly when you post without having read several sources first.

 

Secondly: It is a criminal offence to shoot someone to protect yourself in many countries in the world, including Thailand. It's a criminal offence regardless of if you're being mugged, robbed, kidnapped. USA is as I understand it an exception. 

 

The second paragraph is full of assumptions and it is an impossibility to  speak about worldwide laws concerning the use of deadly force with firearms with any degree of credibility.

 

as gor the USA, each US State has its own laws regarding that subject and personal experience has taught me that I know even less than I thought I did.

[GreasyFingers]

2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Why not go with police cars and uniformed men ringing his doorbell with the search warrant? This looks indeed more like a kidnapping. 

Can I have your imagination, my night time dreams will be better.

[digger70]

Pattaya luxury house shooting: We did everything by the book, claim RTP despite CCTV evidence 

 

Wow ,did they Have a book? Did they Read it? Followed the Instructions? ????

[ChipButty]

Did he mean to say we will throw the book at him.....?

[Seismic]

 

5 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

It's irrelevant. This is not America. It's a criminal non compoundable offence to shoot someone regardless of reason in this country. 

 

 

Licenses for the possession and using of guns and ammunition are issued to individuals only for the following purposes: self-defense, protection of property, sports or hunting. So as owning a gun for self defence is perfectly legal in Thailand, can you please point out the specific criminal code and subsection that makes it a criminal offence to use a gun for the purpose in which the license was obtained?

[BritManToo]

6 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Anyone could shout "police!". I can see the Chinese throwing that one in.

Let's hope they were shouting 'police' in Chinese.

The Chinese aren't that well known for speaking Thai or English.

 

20 Thai people wearing t-shirts, jeans and flip-flops, arriving in unmarked vans, with guns attacking a Chinese gangsters(?) home, what could possibly go wrong?

[JamieM]

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the chief said that "certain media" had shown only certain frames and angles.

 

I'm with the Chief on this one. I bet they edited the footage, also this is Thailand and the Thai police are fully within their rights to operate in plain clothes to avoid the suspect being tipped off.

[sammieuk1]

But the book was the idiots guide to policing for the under fives ????

[MikeyIdea]

9 hours ago, Seismic said:

 

Licenses for the possession and using of guns and ammunition are issued to individuals only for the following purposes: self-defense, protection of property, sports or hunting. So as owning a gun for self defence is perfectly legal in Thailand, can you please point out the specific criminal code and subsection that makes it a criminal offence to use a gun for the purpose in which the license was obtained?

 

A private person can get a license to own a gun in Thailand, but they are not allowed to use it for self defence or protection of property. Regardless of reason, that is is a criminal offence in Thailand, as it is in most of Europe. This is decided in criminal court, not by what's on a piece of paper. An e.g. policeman is not a private person, that's different of course.

 

How do I know? I used to be a Thai - English interpretor in Thai courts in the past. Mainly juvenile cases but I have also been in the criminal court on Ratchadaphisek Rd in Bangkok. Lawyers talk to each other. Many people have gone to jail for using his licenced gun in self defence in Thailand. Well known among lawyers.

 

This is a no brainer in so many countries. Most of Europe is the same.