Will Your Next Ride Be Electric?

[tifino]

here's a timely happened upon EV comparison test...  

 

 

[oobar]

22 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Do you honestly believe that the extra power plants can be built, the HT lines strung, the charging points installed, in 10 to 15 years ?

It will be significantly sooner than 10 to 15 years.  3 to 6 is more like it.

[jvs]

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

 For an ICE you drill for oil, refine it, put it in your car and drive

How does the fuel get to the pump?It walks by itself?

[newnative]

    I think our next car will be a hybrid.  My partner and I like to take long road trips and we don't want to be stranded with an all-electric--and we don't want to wait a half hour to recharge every time.   Maybe the car after the next one might be all-electric.

[Slain]

You dont need a special charger for an electric car. Ok it is slower to charge vis the normal outlets but is works just as well.

Also, it wont take all that long to set up fast chargers.  

[Pattaya Spotter]

9 minutes ago, newnative said:

    I think our next car will be a hybrid.  My partner and I like to take long road trips and we don't want to be stranded with an all-electric--and we don't want to wait a half hour to recharge every time.   Maybe the car after the next one might be all-electric.

And by then, the charging network will have expanded greatly. Long road trips in EVs certainly take a little bit of planning as you can't count on a service station every 20 minutes or so along the major highways; but all EV cars have built in route planning software that automatically computes the charging stops along the route...and on long drives, most people like to stop and stretch the legs, get a coffee or bite to eat, or use the loo every 3-4 hours anyway and that's when you charge.

Edited June 6, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Enoon]

Would love to have one, but we're still in the "too expensive" (for me) and developmental part of the curve.

 

Same would have applied if I was living in the Edwardian era:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57253947

 

Might be able to manage one of these, for the fun of it, before I croak:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by Enoon

[lavender19]

I thought this was about sex toys when I read the headline

[ICELANDMAN]

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/gm-is-selling-more-evs-than-tesla-in-china/ar-BB18P0hk

 

 

Waiting this car on Thailand

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

17 minutes ago, ICELANDMAN said:

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/gm-is-selling-more-evs-than-tesla-in-china/ar-BB18P0hk

 

 

Waiting this car on Thailand

 

GM left the Thai auto market several years ago...I doubt they will ever return.

[natway09]

In Thailand you are achieving Nothing.

The source of the energy is the key  not the fact that you have just successfully moved the pollution from one place to another with an 8% resistance loss.

Places loke NZ that are 80% hydro or geothermal then great idea.

Lignite, brown coal & even gas turbines are not going to achieve anything

 

[itsari]

On 6/5/2021 at 3:46 PM, Rookiescot said:

Dammit I thought this was a thread about those new fangled sex dolls you can buy from Japan.

See your point, 7 hour charging could well be the down side for continuing your journey

[thrilled]

My next ride hopefully be A 2022  

Z06 Corvette. Put a deposit down. 
wa thinking about a Tesla. Elon Musk was taking bitcoin. I decided the Corvette would be more fun

[EVENKEEL]

No, never, be a cold day in hell, before I own, ride or drive an electric auto or MC.

[jack71]

22 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Yes, most Thai homes would have to be upgraded to safety handle charging of an electric vehicle. However, most purchases for the next few years will be upper-income professional types who have the means to make these adjustments to their residences.

You don't know what your talking about it seems. 

 

My mate has a volvo V60. The technician from volvo went to his house and ran the wires from the main box to the spot where the guy installs the charging device and safety cut. No need to 'make adjustments' at all as you presume. 

 

By the way that volvo is advertised to have battery range of 50km. He says it gets 30km maximum and he has to charge it everyday for 4 hours. Its old tech and a pain in the rear end...

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

In Thailand you are achieving Nothing.

The source of the energy is the key  not the fact that you have just successfully moved the pollution from one place to another with an 8% resistance loss.

Places loke NZ that are 80% hydro or geothermal then great idea.

Lignite, brown coal & even gas turbines are not going to achieve anything

 

You are assuming people buy EVs solely for the claimed environmental benefits, which isn't the case. Many people are...but many are buying them because they are just economical (or luxury) cars that are fun to drive; and the tech you can put into an electric vehicle platform is a lot of fun.

[Pattaya Spotter]

38 minutes ago, jack71 said:

. No need to 'make adjustments' at all as you presume. 

 

By "adjustments" I was referring to installing home chargers and lines to the power poles.

 

38 minutes ago, jack71 said:

By the way that volvo is advertised to have battery range of 50km. He says it gets 30km maximum and he has to charge it everyday for 4 hours. Its old tech and a pain in the rear end...

With those specs, it's obviously a "plug-in hybrid" and not a pure EV vehicle. Such models make sense for some use scenarios...lots of short distance city runs, where you may rarely actually use the engine and rely solely on the electric motor. They are also good for those who are interested in EV vehicles but suffer from range anxiety because with the gas engine, they can always stop at a gas station to fill up on long trips. Battery range is also highly dependent on the drivers behavior (lead foot) and also road and weather conditions..

Edited June 6, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[rickudon]

Our driving is 95% local and we do a lot less than 1,000 km a month. Unless the electric vehicle is a similar price to an ICE, will not be changing anytime soon. If we did, would probably consider charging at home using solar power.

[Freeduhdum]

On 6/4/2021 at 10:42 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

The NSA is already logging your every internet search, phone text message, and social media post so what's the difference. Personal privacy disappeared with the advent of the internet and cheap data storage and analysis. 

 

Do I care if President Xi and the CCP know everywhere I'm driving in Thailand and can see my face on camera...not really.

 

On 6/4/2021 at 10:36 PM, johng said:

and I wouldn't  be surprised if every time you plug it in it's sending "telemetry" home to PRC headquarters ????

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[sirineou]

7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

 

By "adjustments" I was referring to installing home chargers and lines to the power poles.

 

With those specs, it's obviously a "plug-in hybrid" and not a pure EV vehicle. Such models make sense for some use scenarios...lots of short distance city runs, where you may rarely actually use the engine and rely solely on the electric motor. They are also good for those who are interested in EV vehicles but suffer from range anxiety because with the gas engine, they can always stop at a gas station to fill up on long trips. Battery range is also highly dependent on the drivers behavior (lead foot) and also road and weather conditions..

I looked into it

Plug in Hybrid (PHEV) make sense in that eliminates range anxiety,   and most of the daily driving is with in the 20-50 mile EV rang,

The problem is that the  MG MS PHV costs about 400K bht  -250K bht (depending on the trim)more than the regular MG MS (I am sure similar  applies to Volvo)

You can buy a lot of fuel for 400K bht..so other than the environment (debatable) you are really not saving much. 

[ICELANDMAN]

12 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

GM left the Thai auto market several years ago...I doubt they will ever return.

 

GM is only a shareholder of the Chinese company, a Chinese company will certainly have aims on Southeast Asia after the great success in China.

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

4 hours ago, Freeduhdum said:

 

Dear Mr. Johng,

Due to your Free Speech, the Ministry of Truth has determined that your acceptable social credit score has now dropped below New Normal acceptable levels. As part of our, You Will Own Nothing (including yourself and your speech) and Will Be Happy Campaign, you are immediately required to log into your Ministry of Love APP and register for your re-educations courses now. Prepare yourself, as members of the Ministry of Love guidance team will be along shortly to escort you to your We Care Camp facility near you. 

As long as they don't cut me off from Lazada and Alibaba.

[Stargeezr]

My next vehicle will be either a hybrid mini van, or a hybrid full size Ford Transit van, low roof 8 passenger, all wheel drive.

  With a hybrid, I can drive all day, fuel up the gas tank, and drive the next day without having to charge the battery.

The gas engine will help with keeping the AC running all day in a hot Summer day, and running the heater all day in

the Cold Winter days as well, and not worrying that my battery is dying, and I am still too far from my destination.

  Since so much of either vehicle is made from  oil products, and the batteries are not recyclable. I prefer a

reliable hybrid.  Some green people say that we do not need oil anymore and to leave it in the ground, but they are so blind in how many products                                 are made from oil.  Like the computer screens, computer innards,  and in vehicles, the dashboard, headliners, seats, walls and sound proofing materials,                         plus tires, windscreen and other windows, all the coverings of the wiring, etc. , oh and the whole battery.  An electric vehicle is okay if all you do is drive 100 kms,                 or so all the time and can find lots of places to recharge your battery, but in a lot of the world it is going to take a few years yet to have places all over                      that are prepared for as many electric vehicles as so many people are dreaming about.

Geezer

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

I looked into it

Plug in Hybrid (PHEV) make sense in that eliminates range anxiety,   and most of the daily driving is with in the 20-50 mile EV rang,

The problem is that the  MG MS PHV costs about 400K bht  -250K bht (depending on the trim)more than the regular MG MS (I am sure similar  applies to Volvo)

You can buy a lot of fuel for 400K bht..so other than the environment (debatable) you are really not saving much. 

Yes the MG HS PHEV model is actually about 160k more expensive than the pure electric ZS (1,360,000 vs. 1,190,000), for what are essentially the same SUV vehicles. I put this down to the HS having to have two drive systems to the HS's one. However, if you cross shop either model against the Honda CRV (all ICE) either model is cheaper than even a base model CRV. There is also the new all electric MG EP station wagon, which is under 1M.

[Darkside Gray]

No, at present in Thailand unsustainable!

[Jitar]

14 hours ago, jack71 said:

You don't know what your talking about it seems. 

 

My mate has a volvo V60. The technician from volvo went to his house and ran the wires from the main box to the spot where the guy installs the charging device and safety cut. No need to 'make adjustments' at all as you presume. 

 

By the way that volvo is advertised to have battery range of 50km. He says it gets 30km maximum and he has to charge it everyday for 4 hours. Its old tech and a pain in the rear end...

Upgrading the power supply is only necessary if the demand from the home is already close to the limit (not uncommon in Thailand) or a fast charger requiring higher current is used.  Most probably would not bother with fast charging for home charging.   

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 minutes ago, Jitar said:

Upgrading the power supply is only necessary if the demand from the home is already close to the limit (not uncommon in Thailand) or a fast charger requiring higher current is used.  Most probably would not bother with fast charging for home charging.   

Agree...especially for such a small battery. Fast charging is really only necessary for pure EVs.

[Jitar]

21 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I would tend to agree...basically you have two completely different propulsion systems stuffed into one car. Wouldn't it be twice as complicated and expensive to maintain? However, hybrid cars are very efficient...sometimes even more so than pure EV platforms. The problem in Thailand is most hybrids, like the Honda Accord and the Toyo Camry are marketed as premium models and cost upward of 1.7M baht. The MG EV is under 1M.

 

Hybrids are more complex but probably not twice as complex as a conventional ICE car.  In most cases the hybrid electric motor and generator replace the torque convertor and in some cases like Honda's 2 motor system, the transmission as well.  This results in similar arrangement to a BEV with an IC engine and generator added as a range extender.  

 

The Toyota Synergy drive system is more complex with a planetary power split gearbox plus battery and motors etc.  Even though they are complex, the Prius and Camrys have proven to be remarkably reliable and durable.  

 

If hybrids are done right, they can be very efficient and low cost to maintain, as shown by Camry hybrids selected as taxis in some countries.  Sadly in Thailand, local laws and marketing push the Camry and Accord Hybrids pricing way up.   

[Pattaya Spotter]

39 minutes ago, Jitar said:

 

Hybrids are more complex but probably not twice as complex as a conventional ICE car.  In most cases the hybrid electric motor and generator replace the torque convertor and in some cases like Honda's 2 motor system, the transmission as well.  This results in similar arrangement to a BEV with an IC engine and generator added as a range extender.  

 

The Toyota Synergy drive system is more complex with a planetary power split gearbox plus battery and motors etc.  Even though they are complex, the Prius and Camrys have proven to be remarkably reliable and durable.  

 

If hybrids are done right, they can be very efficient and low cost to maintain, as shown by Camry hybrids selected as taxis in some countries.  Sadly in Thailand, local laws and marketing push the Camry and Accord Hybrids pricing way up.   

A nice explanation of the main hybrid options in Thailand...they do sound complicated but usually Japanese technology is pretty reliable. However, it's still more complicated that slapping a ????on a vacuum cleaner and that's what EVs basically are...just bigger. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[thailandusauk]

As all followers who like to be told what to do will buy an electric car, I can still use my overpowered gasoline German car, if only me add pollution to the air it should be ok ❤️