Thailand reports 8,685 new COVID-19 cases, 56 more deaths

[wensiensheng]

37 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

I thought you said that was an illusion!

 

Actually, the numbers in Bangkok aren’t moderating because of a lack of beds. I’ll go out on a limb and say danderman is wrong on that.
 

The number of  known cases might be moderating because of a lack of beds, but the number of cases in existence is not effected by whether there are more or less beds, any more than they are effected by what I had for breakfast this morning.

 

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Formally announced counts for zip when the practice has been going on for quite some time. 

You seem confused about how this has been working.

 

Yes, I know there have been people calling the help line complaint about symptoms who were told to wait for an ambulance and to isolate at home. But, until the new policy, hospitals were require to hospitalize or put in a field hospital anyone who tested positive. This cause a disincentive for full hospitals to test anyone. 
 

The new policy allows hospitals to send asymptomatic individuals home.

[4MyEgo]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They are doing that already, home isolation is now the policy for cases with no symptoms. The crisis in beds is to do with medium to serious cases, cohort wards, critical care, ICU.

I learn something everyday.

[robblok]

44 minutes ago, RandolphGB said:

So cases have leveled off, despite the warnings from the doom mongers yesterday  that it was because of a delay from the weekend.

 

With hospitals running out of tests and not enough tests at testing locations how can you say that it has leveled off. I would say they have reached the max number of tests available.

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

You seem confused about how this has been working.

 

Yes, I know there have been people calling the help line complaint about symptoms who were told to wait for an ambulance and to isolate at home. But, until the new policy, hospitals were require to hospitalize or put in a field hospital anyone who tested positive. This cause a disincentive for full hospitals to test anyone. 
 

The new policy allows hospitals to send asymptomatic individuals home.

Nonsense

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Actually, the numbers in Bangkok aren’t moderating because of a lack of beds. I’ll go out on a limb and say danderman is wrong on that.
 

The number of  known cases might be moderating because of a lack of beds, but the number of cases in existence is not effected by whether there are more or less beds, any more than they are effected by what I had for breakfast this morning.

 

I am only talking about the official figures, which are the subject of much discussion here.

 

With a 12% positivity rate, the number of infections in the Real World are increasing. 
 

 

[wensiensheng]

11 minutes ago, anchadian said:

GENEVA (Reuters) – The World Health Organization’s chief scientist on Monday advised against people mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines from different manufacturers, calling it a “dangerous trend” since there was little data available about the health impact.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/who-warns-against-mixing-and-matching-covid-vaccines/

Ouch. That wasn’t in the government script.

[robblok]

26 minutes ago, RandolphGB said:

More excuses for low cases:

 

Backlogs, hospital capacity issues, testing kits run out, not enough testing, government doesn't tell the truth. 

 

People need to ask themselves, why are they so desperate for the situation to be worse? 

 

 

No you should ask yourself why rely on data when you know that what is being said about tests is correct. People waiting at testing locations hospitals not having enough tests. So why do you play ostrich. I am not even talking about not enough testing in comunities. I am talking about Hospitals and testing locations not having enough tests. The tests they had are gone. Now their supply is limited. (if not on purposes) but one has to read any article to see that tests are running out. 

 

So its not wanting it to be worse its wanting to know what what its heading and that is not possible with a cap on testing cases. Or at least it makes it harder.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Nonsense

Okay, all those posts last week complaining about the craziness of putting asymptomatics in field hospitals were all wrong.

[Cake Monster]

55 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Remarkable similarity to yesterdays figures of 8,656!

 

8,685 positive cases today with 146 of those from prisons, 56 more deaths. 

 

With the news that Chonburi is putting in place its own semi lockdown and soft curfew its only a matter of time before other provincial governors follow suit and take action rather than waiting for this inept government. 

 

Rolling 7 day average (up to 11th July only) which includes prison cases and bar chart of community cases.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/thailand

How is it possible to test 2 Days consecutively, and attain the same number of positives ( within 50 or so).

This phenomenon was also prevalent on 29 / 30 June, just prior to a large increase in cases..

Its almost as if they know the numbers are worse, and are trying to slow down the reported figures prior to a large increase.

Coincidence ? probably not

Fudged Numbers ? Your guess.

On another note.

The single dose Vaccination numbers are now seemingly going forward at a fairly rapid rate and are now over 12.5 Million, while the 2 Dose Vaccine numbers are still low at 2.4 Million. Barely rising at all from 2.25 Million from over a week ago.

I am more convinced on a Daily basis when I read these numbers that the Authorities are Vaxxing only one time, in the hope that with only the One shot, it will somehow slow the progress of the Delta variant.

If the Vaccine being administered was a good Vaccine ( Pfizer , Moderna Etc ), I would say they had some kind of chance.

With Sinosoup - Zip

Possibly 11000 + positives tomorrow.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by Cake Monster

[onthedarkside]

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[anchadian]

Curfew started last night in Greater Bangkok. This is the checkpoint in Pak Kret District of Nonthaburi Province. Anyone that is out between the hours of 9pm-4am must show their travel documents

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414769653444874243

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

Curfew started last night in Greater Bangkok. This is the checkpoint in Pak Kret District of Nonthaburi Province. Anyone that is out between the hours of 9pm-4am must show their travel documents

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414769653444874243

Where and how do you get a travel document and why would one need to be out past 9 unless your coming home from work or making a food delivery or deliveries for those needing them the next morning.

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20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You seem confused about how this has been working.

 

Yes, I know there have been people calling the help line complaint about symptoms who were told to wait for an ambulance and to isolate at home. But, until the new policy, hospitals were require to hospitalize or put in a field hospital anyone who tested positive. This cause a disincentive for full hospitals to test anyone. 
 

The new policy allows hospitals to send asymptomatic individuals home.

And what about those who aren't asymptomatic?

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And what about those who aren't asymptomatic?

The old policy was that symptomatic individuals were to be hospitalized.

 

The new policy is that those who have light symptoms can go to home isolation. Those who are really sick are to be hospitalized.

[anchadian]

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003169

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by anchadian

[Danderman123]

20 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

How is it possible to test 2 Days consecutively, and attain the same number of positives ( within 50 or so).

This phenomenon was also prevalent on 29 / 30 June, just prior to a large increase in cases..

Its almost as if they know the numbers are worse, and are trying to slow down the reported figures prior to a large increase.

Coincidence ? probably not

Fudged Numbers ? Your guess.

On another note.

The single dose Vaccination numbers are now seemingly going forward at a fairly rapid rate and are now over 12.5 Million, while the 2 Dose Vaccine numbers are still low at 2.4 Million. Barely rising at all from 2.25 Million from over a week ago.

I am more convinced on a Daily basis when I read these numbers that the Authorities are Vaxxing only one time, in the hope that with only the One shot, it will somehow slow the progress of the Delta variant.

If the Vaccine being administered was a good Vaccine ( Pfizer , Moderna Etc ), I would say they had some kind of chance.

With Sinosoup - Zip

Possibly 11000 + positives tomorrow.

 

 

Nope.

 

The lower official numbers are due to hospital capacity constraints. If you don’t believe that, then you can believe that the official number of hospitalizations have been lower for 2 days.

 

For the nitpickers, I am only talking about the official numbers. No need to post that i am wrong because the official numbers aren’t real, or that I believe the official numbers, or they don’t test enough.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, anchadian said:

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003169

 

Begs the question, why the hell had a doctor on the frontline not been vaccinated?

[wensiensheng]

23 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

How is it possible to test 2 Days consecutively, and attain the same number of positives ( within 50 or so).

This phenomenon was also prevalent on 29 / 30 June, just prior to a large increase in cases..

Its almost as if they know the numbers are worse, and are trying to slow down the reported figures prior to a large increase.

Coincidence ? probably not

Fudged Numbers ? Your guess.

On another note.

The single dose Vaccination numbers are now seemingly going forward at a fairly rapid rate and are now over 12.5 Million, while the 2 Dose Vaccine numbers are still low at 2.4 Million. Barely rising at all from 2.25 Million from over a week ago.

I am more convinced on a Daily basis when I read these numbers that the Authorities are Vaxxing only one time, in the hope that with only the One shot, it will somehow slow the progress of the Delta variant.

If the Vaccine being administered was a good Vaccine ( Pfizer , Moderna Etc ), I would say they had some kind of chance.

With Sinosoup - Zip

Possibly 11000 + positives tomorrow.

 

 

First shots are certainly outpacing second shots.

 

Perhaps because the authorities want as many people as possible to have at least a minimum of protection, perhaps because they want to claim as many people as possible have been “vaccinated”.

 

I have pretty much given up trying to work out why they do what they do. It’s all a Rubik’s cube to me.

[Pravda]

To all the naysayers, Thailand is the only country on the planet that is successfully battling the virus. Virus knows no borders until it comes to Thailand. When the numbers get bad they do appear to slowly go down even though there is no vaccine in sight. I am eternally grateful that I live here. Just bought another condo. God bless

[wensiensheng]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope.

 

The lower official numbers are due to hospital capacity constraints. If you don’t believe that, then you can believe that the official number of hospitalizations have been lower for 2 days.

 

For the nitpickers, I am only talking about the official numbers. No need to post that i am wrong because the official numbers aren’t real, or that I believe the official numbers, or they don’t test enough.

Is it nit picking to call into question the whole basis on which your comment is based?

 

sounds kind of fundamental to me.

[LosLobo]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Begs the question, why the hell had a doctor on the frontline not been vaccinated?

“Phicheat or Dr Neung was never vaccinated as he has chronic diseases: allergy and asthma,” said Dr Naresrit Khatthasima, chief of the Samut Sakhon public health office.

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1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Are these numbers of infections due to the weekend testing, lack of processing or a lack of testing due to hospital facilities and those of field hospitals and Hospitels being overwhelmed already and therefore the testing has been reduced.  The number of deaths shows that many are fighting to stay alive, but then are these from just inside facilities, and not from in private residences as anecdotal evidence, the news, and Facebook stories, being posted show folks dying at home as well.  Only time can tell.  Found out that the lady transported last night had been isolating for 4 days before a bed was found.  Juristic notices have been posted around the building, the pool closed again as well as the gym, and the cleaning crews spraying all of the hallways, and stairwells again.

Somehow, the rumor got started that the tallies for monday and tuesday were affected by the weekend. If you actually go back and look at the graph and tally up  the various days of the week you'll see that this is not the case.

[Cake Monster]

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

First shots are certainly outpacing second shots.

 

Perhaps because the authorities want as many people as possible to have at least a minimum of protection, perhaps because they want to claim as many people as possible have been “vaccinated”.

 

I have pretty much given up trying to work out why they do what they do. It’s all a Rubik’s cube to me.

The people will certainly be getting a minimum of protection, as Sinovac will be the Vaccine in use.

Maybe this is all a huge smoke and mirrors exercise prior to the mass opening in 95 ? days, similar to the Sandbox model.

[Phuketshrew]

6 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

First shots are certainly outpacing second shots.

 

Perhaps because the authorities want as many people as possible to have at least a minimum of protection, perhaps because they want to claim as many people as possible have been “vaccinated”.

 

I have pretty much given up trying to work out why they do what they do. It’s all a Rubik’s cube to me.

To be fair, the vaccination program only really kicked off around 6 weeks ago. If there is a 12 week gap between first and second doses then it will be the end of August before the bulk of the second doses kick in. From September onwards expect first doses to slow dramatically.

[ThailandRyan]

9 minutes ago, anchadian said:

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003169

 

Oh wow, that's a big one right there.  I wonder why not, but it does not lessen the sting of his death.

[wensiensheng]

3 minutes ago, Phuketshrew said:

To be fair, the vaccination program only really kicked off around 6 weeks ago. If there is a 12 week gap between first and second doses then it will be the end of August before the bulk of the second doses kick in. From September onwards expect first doses to slow dramatically.

Yes, cake monster and I discussed that a couple of days ago and it’s a valid point.

 

quite a lot of vaccinations have been sinovac though and the gap for that is 4-6 weeks. On my own appointments, the sinovac gap was cut to just over 3 weeks!

Edited July 13, 2021 by wensiensheng

[brewsterbudgen]

18 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Where and how do you get a travel document and why would one need to be out past 9 unless your coming home from work or making a food delivery or deliveries for those needing them the next morning.

Indeed.  What we really need to know is how travel out of Bangkok during the day is being enforced, if it is at all.

[Bkk Brian]

The crematorium at Wat Khaenok in Nonthaburi Province caught fire due to overuse. Recently they have been cremating 4-5 bodies every day. The temple had to stop using it to do repairs which could cost them millions of baht to repair

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1414767771284504578

 

[anchadian]

13 minutes ago, anchadian said:

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003169

 

“Phicheat or Dr Neung was never vaccinated as he has chronic diseases: allergy and asthma,” said Dr Naresrit Khatthasima, chief of the Samut Sakhon public health office. “He developed severe symptoms after infection, coupled with his health problems and exhaustion from working long hours at the hospital. These likely caused the Covid-19 symptoms to develop into pneumonia and respiratory failure.”