Thailand says AstraZeneca asked to delay delivery of 61 million vaccine doses

[internationalism]

18 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

One of the big problems is that the Thai government wanted the local production and lent them B500 million of taxpayers' money to build the factory,

it was 600mln and it was an emergency grant, not a loan. It was given without any conditions. 

Even if the siam bioscience is going to make a large profit from 200mln doses per year for many years to come, they are not obliged to give back this grant and nobody expects that.

Thailand is paying $7.78 per dose, with the grant it's total $8.56.

There is an advantage of having home made vax, they can put pressure on AZ.

But there is also disadvantage - Korea was able to make he AZ already at the beginning of year (that's from where came 117k in February). Thailand had a chance to import the AZ around that time in larger quantities, but because they had contract for local production they were not able to source more.

Probably they also had a chance to import AZ from countries, who discontinued using it, like south africa, which had a large quantity contracted for only $5.5

[rupert the bear]

what shocks me is that AZ which is affiliated with oxford uni.they got into bed with this bunch.amazing.didnt the do any homework?sleaze central  and then bioscience!!?yikes ,a few heads need to roll that end for backing corruption and sleaze to the hilt let alone  a racist feudal autocarcay ,ahhh and theyre so woke,naah someone needs to wake em up

[Dogmatix]

They will restrict or effectively ban exports of vaccine by law and there is not much AZ can do about it without damaging their own reputation. It is their own fault for setting up a licensee that was unable to produce up to spec which many predicted from the get go. What is not known though is how much this will help because we don't how much can be produced locally.  They talk about production of 15m doses a month, with Thailand assigned a third by AZ, but this is close to the nameplate capacity of 200m a year cited when the project was announced last year. If they can produce 15m a month and Thailand takes two thirds instead of one third, that would give them the 10m doses a month they were expecting. 

 

However, there is something that doesn't stack up in the numbers.  If the production is 15m a month, that is only 10% below the cited nameplate capacity which should be seen as an excellent result for a completely new and very small vaccine manufacturer.  A small shortfall of at least that order would have been written into the business plan by AZ and SBS and should not have caused any disruptions to domestic or overseas deliveries.  The government is talking as if it only just found that it is entitled to only a third of monthly production, which seems perfectly reasonable since it only ordered 17.5% of expected production at the outset, although it increased that to 30% later. It can't be a surprise for the government to find it is entitled to deliveries in line with what it ordered.  So it could be that the 10m a month it said it was going to get was never on the cards without a law to restrict exports.  It is also very possible that the production is much less than 15m a month which is what is really causing the problem.  With the policy change to de-emphasise Sinovac in favour of AZ, 15m a month is about what Thailand need to get back on track.  However, to get back to even 10m a month by taking deliveries away from friendly countries is probably going to be difficult. 

[MrJ2U]

22 hours ago, shdmn said:

This thread is hilarious.  Most of the comments are just the usual knee jerk "thais can't do anything right" nonsense when the story was probably not even translated properly. So the serial complainers here are not even complaining about the right thing....lol

This government has screwed this up from day one.

 

You've been reading to much TAT articles to assume anything else.

[Dogmatix]

On 7/15/2021 at 3:44 PM, Cake Monster said:

Now I am starting to understand what went on a little better.

If Thailand was only prepared to commit to 35 M Doses, then this would have been in a contractual form, and would still be in effect today.

And yet the Thai Gov,t are now wanting more Doses than there contracted amount, but those doses have been sold elsewhere based on a Business decision forced upon them by the Thai non commitment to the project.

AZ could still pull the plug, and not get hurt too much, if they utilizes other production facilities more. After all 500 Million Baht is small to a Large Pharma Company.

So it was all about Kudos, and little else.

 

The 500m baht was lent to SBS not to AZ.  AZ has no investment in the factory.  As long as they have enough raw materials to send to Thailand, I don't think they would pull the plug, as that would make more shortages and damage AZ's reputation.  Remember that Oxford insisted the first year should be a non-profit humanitarian effort.  They also have an office in Thailand to promote their other products. 

[Cake Monster]

13 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

 

The 500m baht was lent to SBS not to AZ.  AZ has no investment in the factory.  As long as they have enough raw materials to send to Thailand, I don't think they would pull the plug, as that would make more shortages and damage AZ's reputation.  Remember that Oxford insisted the first year should be a non-profit humanitarian effort.  They also have an office in Thailand to promote their other products. 

is it a fair assumption to make, that the First Year is almost completed, and that the venture will become for profit very soon.

Could be why all this rhetoric about AZ and SB, has become a Sabre rattling exercise.

Sometimes, just sometimes, it is a better option in Business to walk away.

[crazykopite]

On 7/15/2021 at 4:57 PM, rabas said:

Not close to what they said or what they meant.

 

What they meant was that an individual should not make personal decisions on mixing vaccines. It should be based on researched and tested information and decided by professionals. All the data so far suggests it is both safe and  produces better immunity when chosen wisely.  The original WHO muddled statement caused confusion and they were called on it.

 

WHO warns individuals against mixing and matching COVID vaccines

 

will you be first in line then !!!!!

[rabas]

3 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

will you be first in line then !!!!!

Yes, absolutely, I'm already in line.

 

1. AZ on June 23. Second shot expected Sept 20.

2. Moderna reserved for October. 

 

I 've even considered having the second AZ after the Moderna series, because AZ's second dose has the strongest response after more than half a year, Oxford has found. 

 

However, I would not do that without sufficient evidence it is safe, and I cannot do that anyway because it's regulated by doctors and medical records.

 

So what was WHO on about when they corrected their misspeak by saying "Oh, we meant people should not decide themselves".

[mtls2005]

Some insight...

 

anutin hat in hand.

 

 

 

Published on isranews agency.  https://www.isranews.org/article/isranews/100583-investigative00-2-7-2.html

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by mtls2005

[mtls2005]

Can't see anutin wriggling out of this mess. More leaked documents indicate that he messed up forecasting, ordering and not joining COVAX.

 

He's toast.

 

https://www.isranews.org/article/isranews/100580-ASTRAAA00.html

 

It looks like Thailand is supposed to get 33% (maybe 35%) od the AZ/SBS production.

 

 

 

 

[bradiston]

44 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Can't see anutin wriggling out of this mess. More leaked documents indicate that he messed up forecasting, ordering and not joining COVAX.

 

He's toast.

 

https://www.isranews.org/article/isranews/100580-ASTRAAA00.html

 

It looks like Thailand is supposed to get 33% (maybe 35%) od the AZ/SBS production.

 

 

 

 

Looks like dynamite. But what's the talk of only 3m doses?

 

Raises so many questions. Hope the opposition grab their chance and table either a motion of no confidence, or at least a full debate in parliament.

Edited July 17, 2021 by bradiston

[mtls2005]

A heavily redacted version of the contract between AZ and the Thai government is floating around. Haven't seen it yet, but it is said to be revealing in the sections which are redacted.

 

This seemed doomed from the beginning.

 

 

[internationalism]

here is an article in english about these leaked documents

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30034/astrazeneca-says-thailand-only-requested-3-million-doses-per-month-in-initial-agreement

[Badrabbit]

Got my appointment for Astra Zeneca jabs ist one in Aug 2nd in November, had to cancel my Sinovac Jabs due to a broken leg, I'm in Phuket.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Badrabbit

[SiSePuede419]

Maybe the owner of A.Z., Thailand will step up and admit responsibility? 

[bradiston]

10 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Maybe the owner of A.Z., Thailand will step up and admit responsibility? 

You mean AstraZaneca, Cambridge, UK?

Edited July 23, 2021 by bradiston

[mtls2005]

Not hearing much on AstraZeneca these days.

 

Even the crickets have disappeared.

 

 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

28 minutes ago, bradiston said:

You mean AstraZaneca, Cambridge, UK?

That's not the owner of the Thailand branch.

 

You do realise that in Thailand, a Thai national must own 51+%, right?

 

This isn't a beer bar in Pattaya.

Edited July 23, 2021 by SiSePuede419

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Maybe the owner of A.Z., Thailand will step up and admit responsibility? 

The owner of AZ in Thailand is AstraZeneca. AstraZeneca has contracted with an independent Thai company to produce the vaccine

Edited July 23, 2021 by placeholder

[Oxx]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

The owner of AZ in Thailand is AstraZeneca

What exactly does that mean? Is there an AstraZeneca entity in Thailand? (I suspect not.  They work through regional agents.) And if not, the observation is seemingly meaningless.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Oxx said:

What exactly does that mean? Is there an AstraZeneca entity in Thailand? (I suspect not.  They work through regional agents.) And if not, the observation is seemingly meaningless.

It turns out that my observation is deeply meaningful

AstraZeneca (Thailand) Ltd.

Asia Centre Building, 19th Floor
173/20 South Sathorn Road, Thungmahamek, Sathorn, Bangkok, 10120, Thailand
T: +66 (2) 739 7400   F: +66 (2) 762 7540

https://www.astrazeneca.com/country-sites/thailand.html

[bradiston]

8 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

That's not the owner of the Thailand branch.

 

You do realise that in Thailand, a Thai national must own 51+%, right?

 

This isn't a beer bar in Pattaya.

Ok, so who owns AstraZaneca (Thailand) then?

[thaitom]

On 7/15/2021 at 4:46 PM, arick said:

And who owns siam biotech 

The person whose name we dare not speak

 

[Oxx]

2 hours ago, thaitom said:

The person whose name we dare not speak

Candyman?

[placeholder]

23 hours ago, bradiston said:

Ok, so who owns AstraZaneca (Thailand) then?

Astra Zeneca owns Astra Zeneca in thailand. Look up the name of the company that contracted with Astra Zeneca to produce the vaccine.

[mtls2005]

AZ (THL) headman Teague said today that AstraZeneca has delivered 9 million does so far to Thailand and will deliver 2.3 million more next week.

 

And they committed to "scouring " their supply chains to provide more (unclear what "more" means? precursors or vaccines).

 

But everyone is still very cagey on this AZ deal. We never get a complete picture. One assumes that if things were going well that all parties would be singing from the rooftops. Given the scant details given since the contract was signed, it is easy to assume the worst.

 

They're lucky the press here is so docile, and willing to accept loads of babble.

Edited July 24, 2021 by mtls2005

[arick]

30 minutes ago, Oxx said:

Candyman?

Candyman with no cloths 

[thaitom]

50 minutes ago, Oxx said:

Candyman?

Who can take a sunrise........

[thaitom]

On 7/23/2021 at 7:50 AM, SiSePuede419 said:

Maybe the owner of A.Z., Thailand will step up and admit responsibility? 

Do you think the one who can't be named is actually aware ?

[steven100]

Remember Thailand recently had problems paying landing fees and leases and fuel on some of it's aircraft ........

so would you trust Thailand to pay your company for Vaccine    ???   

 

who would you rather send millions of doses to ..... India or Thailand.   ?  

 

it's not rocket science ......    they made their bed.   LOL    

Edited July 24, 2021 by steven100