2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

190 million infections (that we know of) gives a death rate of 2%

by comparison 32% of all deaths worldwide are due to heart attacks.....admittedly we all have to die of something.

Wow, such a caring individual you are.  I truly hope this does not hit close to home for you as it has for myself and others here on this forum.

7 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So all those who tested positive then tested negative after their quarantine are not in the stats as a case? I think you need to rephrase that statement ...

I was responding to a specific question in someone else's post. 

 

You are taking my response out of context, which doesn't help anyone. 

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Wow, such a caring individual you are.  I truly hope this does not hit close to home for you as it has for myself and others here on this forum.

I can't bleed for the whole world, I view life with passive detachment including things that happen to me. Life can seem to be tragic only if you think you are in control.

14 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

COVID is really like a bad horror movie, when you think things are improving, boom a new variant and a new twist that put us all back 6 months ago

 

the UK and Israel are back into local lockdowns despite their 80% coverage,

 

Of course, neither Israel nor the UK have 80% coverage. 

MCOT is now showing the cremation of a vaccinated buisnessman who had a doctorate and was the former chairman of Pan Asia footwear and an inventor.  He died yesterday.  This is hurting the community big time.

25 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Well Influenza and the common cold are still with us. I place more hope on future medication reducing the symptoms so that death is a very rare outcome, remember around 35,000 people die of influenza each year in the USA alone.

I'm not sure your influenza comments above have any valid point except for trying to be a deflection.

 

COVID deaths in the U.S. vastly exceeded influenza deaths during 2020, becoming the third leading cause of death behind only cancer and heart disease. The COVID-influenza comparison is not even close.

 

And even with the current reduced level of COVID deaths in 2021, they still are well exceeding influenza deaths.

 

"COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death across all of 2020, but in December 2020 and early 2021, the illness surged and briefly became the number one leading cause of death in the U.S., far surpassing even cancer and heart disease deaths in those months."

 

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-continues-to-be-a-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-in-june-2021/

 

And the results thus far for 2021:

 

 

There have been pandemics before and there will be others, probably more virulent than Covid-19. Mistakes have been made by all governments, Covid could act as a wake-up call for the future pandemics, obviously a better worldwide early warning system is needed.

8 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

There have been pandemics before and there will be others, probably more virulent than Covid-19. Mistakes have been made by all governments, Covid could act as a wake-up call for the future pandemics, obviously a better worldwide early warning system is needed.

So, what is your point? Life is a bitch and then you die? 

 

What do you want to tell everyone here about the pandemic?  Be happy? 

7 hours ago, anchadian said:

Things are getting desperate in #Bangkok. Photos of people queuing for vaccination at The Mall Ngamwongwan. If you haven’t been vaccinated yet and are still searching, I wish you the best of luck. And I hope that once you get the elusive appointment, you can be vaccinated safely.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1416258617938903042

 

Can't officials in charge organise anything correctly. Surely it's not beyond means to arrange a flowing vaccination system with allocated times of 10min intervals. Only speaking from my experience in UK, 10m time slot, arrive, check-in, wait maybe 5min in lobby, move on to seating by vaccination station/room, wait no more than 5min, jabbed and then onto another area to sit for 15min, done and leave by a different door to exit. If most of these people don't have covid already, only takes a few and a lot of them will leave with more than a vaccination dose.

Bangkok Community Help Foundation 

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We've shattered our record and were able to donate 2,700 hot meals to communities in Khlong Toei and to quarantined construction workers today We hope to help support the camps even further, they desperately need your help.

 

If you can, please consider donating!

https://twitter.com/BKK_community/status/1416327852346155009

 

 

29 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

190 million infections (that we know of) gives a death rate of 2%

by comparison 32% of all deaths worldwide are due to heart attacks.....admittedly we all have to die of something.

That is all kinds of heart and cardiovascular disease, 17.9 million deaths/year worldwide. It also includes stroke. Estimated real COVID deaths now stand about 7.5 to 8 million. The last scientific estimate by IHME (the experts) was in May at 7.1 million dead.

 

But it is not what a pandemic has done, it what a pandemic can do. Heart attacks don't mutate, SARS-2 can and does frequently. What if the fatality rate jumped to 10% (SARS-1) or 35% (MERS)?

 

http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths

 

Police chief orders officers to oversee and boost morale on Bangkok’s nightly curfew checkpoints

An online picture posted of an armed officer on the first night of curfew checkpoints near Pakkred in Nonthaburi caused online commentary and appears to have spooked members of the public. Police have responded by pointing out that all curfew checkpoints are carried out in accordance with international standards.

Top brass including the National Police Commissioner General Suwat Jang­yod­suk at the Royal Thai Police have responded in recent days to concerns raised online by Thai citizens about the operation of police checkpoints in Bangkok and adjacent provinces linked with the current emergency which has seen a night time curfew imposed between 9 pm and 4 am daily.

 

Senior officers are making it clear that the police checkpoints are being operated to international standards of best practice and have invited members of the public to report any concerns by calling the police hotline number. 

 

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/07/17/police-chief-orders-review-of-checkpoints/

31 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

190 million infections (that we know of) gives a death rate of 2%

by comparison 32% of all deaths worldwide are due to heart attacks.....admittedly we all have to die of something.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and do some proper research rather than pulling incomparable figures out of the air 

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Police chief orders officers to oversee and boost morale on Bangkok’s nightly curfew checkpoints

An online picture posted of an armed officer on the first night of curfew checkpoints near Pakkred in Nonthaburi caused online commentary and appears to have spooked members of the public. Police have responded by pointing out that all curfew checkpoints are carried out in accordance with international standards.

Top brass including the National Police Commissioner General Suwat Jang­yod­suk at the Royal Thai Police have responded in recent days to concerns raised online by Thai citizens about the operation of police checkpoints in Bangkok and adjacent provinces linked with the current emergency which has seen a night time curfew imposed between 9 pm and 4 am daily. Senior officers are making it clear that the police checkpoints are being operated to international standards of best practice and have invited members of the public to report any concerns by calling the police hotline number. 

The National Police Commissioner General Suwat Jang­yod­suk has ordered a review by a top officer of checkpoints at locations in Bangkok and adjacent provinces to boost morale and to ensure that all operations are carried out to international standards of best practice.

 

The National Police Commissioner, General Suwat Jang­yod­suk, has appointed a senior officer to visit, inspect and raise morale among police officers assigned to checkpoints which have been set up in curfew areas including Bangkok and adjacent provinces since July 12th and which are scheduled to be in operation for two weeks until July 26th next.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/07/17/police-chief-orders-review-of-checkpoints/

How about boosting the morale of the people? Get them some vaccines.

 

 

Even Prayut knows this is out of control so what will he do to save face and show he's the leader? I remember last big pseudo lockdown buying beer one day and the next it was banned. The domino effect then came in and most provinces banned alcahol sales. Remember this country is run by thought bubble people. Do not discount anything.

A bickering exchange of posts that's veered into being off topic has been removed. Time to move on...

 

Also, regarding any potential additional lockdown measures, posters should avoid repeating rumors and unsubstantiated/unsourced information, or face having those posts removed.

 

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Thailand should start expecting 100K deaths over the next 12 months if they can't vaccine their population in time

 

that's the metrics we have over here in Europe for countries comparable to Thailand in population size when the vaccine wasn't there

The real problem isn't necessarily the deaths but the long term effects.  If I was concerned about anything I would be concerned of these, not a 1 percent death rate.  (which will get much higher thanks to hospitals being overrun)

#PhuketSandbox update on Saturday: 11 local cases and 4 Sandbox cases with 96 patients now in hospital.

 

WEEK ONE: 24 local + 1 sandbox = 25 cases

WEEK TWO: 38 local + 9 sandbox = 47 cases

WEEK THREE: 29 local + 6 sandbox in three days

#COVID19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1416389587065204736

 

Bloody hell now the new UK Health Sec (Javid) is isolating.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57874744

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

COVID is really like a bad horror movie, when you think things are improving, boom a new variant and a new twist that put us all back 6 months ago

 

the UK and Israel are back into local lockdowns despite their 80% coverage,

 

UK back in local lockdowns and where is that reported? 

 

EDIT: add Israel to that, link to the lockdowns?

 

 

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

UK back in local lockdowns and where is that reported? 

 

EDIT: add Israel to that, link to the lockdowns?

 

 

This week Israel just say they make only "soft suppression" nothing lockdown! They dont want harm economy more. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/living-with-covid-19-israel-changes-strategy-delta-variant-hits-2021-07-13/

12 hours ago, nkg said:

 

If Thailand have 100+ covid deaths per day and 10,000 covid infections per day, why worry about the Phuket Sandbox?

 

The real danger is closer to home.

 

Xactly why worry about fully vaccinated Tourist,  72 H pcr test before boarding,  pcr test at arrival,  pcr test after 5 days et et et when u got danger right in your own home?

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

UK back in local lockdowns and where is that reported? 

 

EDIT: add Israel to that, link to the lockdowns?

 

 

Monday is "Freedom Day" in the UK! ????????

1 minute ago, Marco100 said:

Xactly why worry about fully vaccinated Tourist,  72 H pcr test before boarding,  pcr test at arrival,  pcr test after 5 days et et et when u got danger right in your own home?

Yet some of those tourists have tested positive even though vaccinated, so what is your point.

4 minutes ago, Marco100 said:

Xactly why worry about fully vaccinated Tourist,  72 H pcr test before boarding,  pcr test at arrival,  pcr test after 5 days et et et when u got danger right in your own home?

Lambda, is that you?

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Yet some of those tourists have tested positive even though vaccinated, so what is your point.

My point is : Apply same rules to Thai Nationals who travels Domestic  to Phuket ! 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Except the Thai government repeatedly and publicly in recent months based their vaccine rollout plan on the expectation they would receive 10 million local AZ doses per month for the 2nd half of this year.

 

In light of the newly disclosed documents, the question has to be asked -- how could they possibly / reasonably expect to receive that volume of local AZ doses that they were telling the public were coming their way.

 

 

Back in January or February AZ's investment relations department in the UK was assuring analysts that the Thai production facility was going extremely well and they were confident that it would be able to produce up to or close to its nameplate capacity of 200m doses a year.  They also told the analysts that the first production runs from Thailand would be sent entirely to Indonesia because it was most needed there as Indonesia had the worst COVID problem in SE Asia at the time, while Thailand was still in the second wave that still seemed concentrated in certain areas and manageable.  Obviously anything told to analysts is publicly available information that can be published in the media. So clearly AZ had already had the same conversations with the Thai government and AZ's freedom to allocate the production where it saw it was most needed must have been quite clear in the contract and accepted by the government.  Actually it would be surprising if the government had signed something that allowed the possiblility it could receive nothing from the first production runs against its will or, had waived its rights to a portion of the first production runs when it was in the second wave and Thais had already started to clamour for vaccines. The question of Indonesia is interesting from the point of view AZ's desire to make public that it had the ability to control the allocation of production.  However, going forward we can perhaps ignore it, as Indonesia may be getting Pfizer in preference to AZ now and, unlike Taiwan, Malaysia and the Philippines has not publicly complained that AZ defaulted on initial orders that were to come from Thai production.  At any rate it would seem that, as Thailand had only committed to 30% of nameplate capacity, it would be logical to assume that there wouldn't have been a provision in the contract allowing Thailand to take fully two thirds of production, 10m a month, as a priority until its order was filled when other countries urgently wanted the quantities to which they had committed.  All very puzzling.         

SamuiPlus Update on Saturday:

 

Day One: 9 people on 3 flights. 1 local case and 0 Samui+ cases

Day Two: 1 person on 1 flight. 1 local case and 0 Samui+ cases

Day Three: 0 people on 0 flights. 0 local cases and 0 Samui+ cases

#Thailand

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1416397811076112386

 

8 minutes ago, anchadian said:

SamuiPlus Update on Saturday:

 

Day One: 9 people on 3 flights. 1 local case and 0 Samui+ cases

Day Two: 1 person on 1 flight. 1 local case and 0 Samui+ cases

Day Three: 0 people on 0 flights. 0 local cases and 0 Samui+ cases

#Thailand

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1416397811076112386

 

The billions of baht will be rolling in any minute now I tell you, any minute, oh doubters! 555

Well at least some credit in being honest; I doubt the figures are faked!

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Those figures for vaccinations are for Thailand in one day, aren't they? I think most of Phuket that wanted to be vaccinated - apart from some foreigners - have done so already.