5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Sometimes, I feel great shame for my fellow foreigners. I thought we were intelligent enough to understand the situation and follow instructions. Apparently, I was very wrong.

i think its called the "it happens to other people not me" syndrome 

25 minutes ago, MasterBaker said:

looks like a neat place, do you know the address? i am going tomorrow

Renegade sports bar , Tapae gate

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Big assumption that its fear that keeps everyone inside. Some stay inside to make sure it won't get worse and more measures are needed. I certainly don't worry much when i go shopping I just wear mask follow the rules ect. We know that it spreads easy in bars and such. I rather have the numbers come down so more severe measures are not taken.

 

Call it responsibility instead of fear. But that sounds a lot less denigrating to the others then fear. 

 

As for those who think covid is any worse then the flu then if they are so sure let them get in close contact with some infected people and try it out for themselves. I remember the American that died from catching it during a Covid party. I am sure he revised his opinion just before he died. 

 young and dumb

35 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

The way that the delta is spreading across the kingdom I think I would welcome being deported my Thai GF can take care of my property while I’m away 

It'll be cheaper if you leave before you're deported ????

IMHO, it only takes one infected person to bring about a cluster. That is the real issue - not drinking alcohol after 9p.m. In at least one restaurant, that opens all day, which I've been to in Chiang Mai, there are customers inside not wearing masks, neither are most of the staff during the day. Whether that is a higher risk after 9pm than before is against the odds. Covid doesn't hibernate for several hours.

 

And as for the government ministers, words fail me to express their incompetence, naivety and greed, in not providing shed loads of vaccines to their citizens, while double dosing themselves, and focusing on speculative tourism income, instead. 

 

Which is not small beer...

 

 

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

Yes, I do that myself without relying on a Thai to do it for me, like you. That only works if the mobile phones are really close. So how do you pay without getting close to the one delivering the goods?

length of one arm = 0.80 meters

max scanning distance (tested) = 0.90 meters

(2*0.8m)+0.9m=2.5m

 

You're welcome...

5 minutes ago, clonetom said:

length of one arm = 0.80 meters

max scanning distance (tested) = 0.90 meters

(2*0.8m)+0.9m=2.5m

 

You're welcome...

Can I suggest the use of a selfie stick for added protection.

Right, 'cuz everyone knows that Boogeyman-19 is only gonna getcha when not eating or drinking...unless it's after 9pm of course! 

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Big assumption that its fear that keeps everyone inside. Some stay inside to make sure it won't get worse and more measures are needed. I certainly don't worry much when i go shopping I just wear mask follow the rules ect. We know that it spreads easy in bars and such. I rather have the numbers come down so more severe measures are not taken.

 

Call it responsibility instead of fear. But that sounds a lot less denigrating to the others then fear. 

 

As for those who think covid is any worse then the flu then if they are so sure let them get in close contact with some infected people and try it out for themselves. I remember the American that died from catching it during a Covid party. I am sure he revised his opinion just before he died. 

Yeah spreads even worse after 9pm! Clever little blighter can tell the time!!!

Covid has a 99.5 % survival rate for most and yes no worse than a bad case of flu!

In this particular case some of you are being stupid.

The Government has made no move to ban alcohol. All 7/11's Big C, Tesco etc are selling as usual.

What they are trying to say & as the PM says people are not listening, do not congregate as the risk is greater of Covid transfer.

It is not rocket science but people like these think it is one law for them & another for us.

Is it any wonder the battle is being lost ?

No charges of participating in a gathering of more than five persons? Or is it fewer now, I can't keep track.

I use to say its their business, does not bother me, but i have to be honest and confess NOW it does bother me, from both sides, business selling and patrons consuming.

 

As a business owner, i have lost everything because of Covid, in the interest of my customers i had to turn away customers, i had to close when i was forced, loosing money on daily basis.

 

Then i look over my shoulder and see competitors selling and breaking all the rules. I am struggling to pay bills and buy food, but they are making money.

 

So if they got busted, hate to admit, but its ok with me, if anything makes me happy, let them now pay all they made and then some.

 

Same goes for patrons, thousands if not millions have to change life, habits and how we live life, but then a few idiots decide what the heck, just do whatever we want.

 

So again, they got busted and will be charged and dragged through hell, good lesson to be learned.

 

Sorry , but no longer feel pity or have any support for either party

5 minutes ago, 1duckyboy said:

No charges of participating in a gathering of more than five persons? Or is it fewer, I can't keep track.

this does not apply to being in the bar. the no more than 4 (i think) was for private gatherings

6 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

I think if covid has taught us anything, it's that a lot of people, perhaps most, think they are special, the rules don't apply to the and they, or their friends/family, couldn't possibly have covid, ever.  It's very much an "everyone else" problem.

I am happy that there are still lots of people who realise that mingling among hundreds of people all day and stopping at 9pm does not do ANYTHING to avoid infections. Who realise that following rules from a government where hundreds of huge factories pay off the officials to hide that 35% of their staff has fever are useless. Who  think and questioning before following rules in a world where all statistics proof that lockdowns have no influence whatsoever on infection rates. Who realise that non-conformity is the only thing that will stop those non-sensical measures because the people who order it profit the most from it.

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Maybe they don't care because they think COVID isn't any worse than the flu.

And would prefer not to live the rest of their lives in a state of constant fear locked in their homes.

What scares me is WHO gave this special Variant the watch so it knows it can attack after 9pm … That is Serious spooky

7 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Sometimes, I feel great shame for my fellow foreigners. I thought we were intelligent enough to understand the situation and follow instructions. Apparently, I was very wrong.

you are very wrong to think that.

just today, in the gym, the only people not wearing masks correctly.........foreigners

outside, the only ones not wearing masks correctly.......foreigners.

just arrogant and a disgrace

39 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Are there still people who think that Covid is no worse than the flu?  How do they remain so stubbornly misinformed?

WelI,

I had it (64yo), and can certainly report having had worse flu's, no sweating at all. 

My 40(ish) misses had it and it was worse than the flu, mainly because it lasted 10 days sweating.

My 8yo son had it, and it was exactly the same as the flu, 3 days sweating.

My 20yo daughter probably had it, no symptoms at all.

 

So take your pick!

 

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is it actually illegal to drink alcohol after 9 PM ?

I guess there are different rules around the country, here in Hua Hin there are no bars open at any time. 

Can someone with more local knowledge please enlighten me on the rules in Chiang mai.

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Maybe they don't care because they think COVID isn't any worse than the flu.

And would prefer not to live the rest of their lives in a state of constant fear locked in their homes.

I’ve seen several of your posts that are along this theme and I’ve always wondered why you assume that people who follow rules set by the government are in a state of constant fear?
 

In this instance you’ve referred to being locked in their homes, but you’ve also described other situations previously, and always used the descriptive of being in a state of fear. Can’t people be careful, or be abiding by the regulations, or think that the regulations are a bunch of twaddle but are following them anyway?

 

from a personal standpoint, I know many people who are concerned and/or careful and more than I like to admit who ignore Covid, but I don’t actually think I know anyone who is in a constant state of fear.

 

to be fair, in early 2020 the environment was slightly different because Covid was a total unknown at that point. And there was actual fear. But now, I just don’t see it.

 

anyway, it’s a bit of an aside, I know where you are coming from.

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Don't order any vaccines to truly protect people but surely be diligent in arresting them if they are drinking alcohol.  

Yesterday I went to a restaurant and noticed several customers with beer bottles on their tables.  Inquired of the waitress, she indicated yes they were Heineken zero alcohol.  Now tell me, how them removing their masks to drink the non-alcohol beer was any less likely to transmit Covid than if they were drinking the identical beer with alcohol. 


 

 

Because people who don’t drink are boring !!!... no drinkers don’t want to go to a bar where lots of other people are participating in a social lubricant and socialising... 

 

The laws / regulations against alcohol are not against alcohol, rather they are against what happens after lots of people drink alcohol - i.e. people drop their inhibitions, make closer contact with each other, bars and pubs get more crowded etc.... 

 

As much as I dislike it there have to be some rules in place preventing area’s getting crowed... but the 9pm is just daft... what is the difference between a bar getting crowded before 9pm and after ???

 

Perhaps it stops people getting so drunk breaking social distancing rules, but won’t people just go to the bars earlier ?? 

 

Sometimes, well, a lot of the time the logic simply escapes me. 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

WelI,

I had it (64yo), and can certainly report having had worse flu's, no sweating at all. 

My 40(ish) misses had it and it was worse than the flu, mainly because it lasted 10 days sweating.

My 8yo son had it, and it was exactly the same as the flu, 3 days sweating.

My 20yo daughter probably had it, no symptoms at all.

 

So take your pick!

 

I just love the fact that you are such a gentleman. As we know, a gentleman never asks a lady her age....even if it's your misses ????

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

WelI,

I had it (64yo), and can certainly report having had worse flu's, no sweating at all. 

My 40(ish) misses had it and it was worse than the flu, mainly because it lasted 10 days sweating.

My 8yo son had it, and it was exactly the same as the flu, 3 days sweating.

My 20yo daughter probably had it, no symptoms at all.

 

So take your pick!

 

A work colleague had it... Healthy, 45 years old... he was in quarantine and started feeling unwell. Called the medical team, he tested positive, slowly his symptoms became worse and he was taken to hospital. He was in ICU but not placed on a ventilator - he lost 6kgs in a week.

 

While in the UK last year and isolating (before staying with family) a girl in the next cottage had it, she was 22 yrs old, a runner, she described it as the ‘worse flu’ she’s ever had, couldn’t get a out of bed for 3-4 days, didn’t really struggle breathing though. 

 

The point I want to make here is that we all have anecdotal stories and we can all contradict each other - each individual anecdote is completely irrelevant when the collective numbers of serious cases are huge. 

 

Not one of us is ‘not at risk’ because a mate had it and said it was like a mild flu !!!   thinking like highlights a lobotomised logic particularly there are now variants of greater concern in circulation.

They’re probably enjoying their life while they are still alive.

11 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

I’ve seen several of your posts that are along this theme and I’ve always wondered why you assume that people who follow rules set by the government are in a state of constant fear?
 

In this instance you’ve referred to being locked in their homes, but you’ve also described other situations previously, and always used the descriptive of being in a state of fear. Can’t people be careful, or be abiding by the regulations, or think that the regulations are a bunch of twaddle but are following them anyway?

 

Its simply ‘echo chambering’....  people use such key words to reinforce a flawed opinion...

 

As you said, 'constant fear’ is extreme. Most people are not fearful of catching Covid-19, but they don’t want to catch it and will take measures to avoid it. 

 

In the same manner it would be like accusing motorists of living in fear when driving because they use a seatbelt. 

People are not fearful of having a car-accident, they won’t avoid driving etc... but they will drive intelligently (for the most part) and wear my seatbelt (for the most part). 

 

 

 

  i stay at home and do everything right but I tell you out of the thousands of people myself and wife know we only know 2 who have had the virus and both were out of hospital in four days, no vaccine  I find that very interesting and there is something happing in Denmark about vaccines they have stopped the use of one and there is no news about it on tv

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

if they were drinking water it was no problem?????

How many of your friends throw caution to the wind after a few slugs of water?

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Maybe they don't care because they think COVID isn't any worse than the flu.

And would prefer not to live the rest of their lives in a state of constant fear locked in their homes.

Hm,..I caught the flue just a couple of years ago. My wife and i where very sick for two weeks! But never did we had to go to a hospital. I was very careful with the that Covid-19, always wear a mask and avoid all contacts with others except my very close family. Still got covid-19 (Nobody in the family got it except my wife who was just a bit sick for 2 days) I spend 19 days in Hospital, half of it in I.C.U. on oxygen but just not on a breading machine !!! I was Lucky, according to the doctor on the machines you get only a 50-50 % surviving chance ! Other people in the same I.C.U. didn't have the same luck as me.

All the doctors and medics I saw in that intense period said this is much worse than a flue.

Anybody is free to think whatever they want,...But I Know now.!...I am supposed to have a certain degree of Immunity now, and I'm fully vaccinated ! i still wear a mask when I go to supermarkets or anywhere there is people around.

Just thrown them out of the country, we're tired of these people destroying our business by given us who follow the law a bad name. Morons

8 hours ago, webfact said:

The owner was charged with serving alcohol after the allowed time of 9pm and the customers were charged with drinking after that time.

As dumb as they come.....

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

oh dear ........ is that a couple of Thaivisa  members in the corner.

Cheap shot... if they were they were in the company of dumb Thais.