PM reflects on Covid crisis: It looked so beautiful now it's come to this - blames rule breakers

[kynikoi]

59 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

You suggested that it was not a natural virus. Still waiting for scientific evidence....... The fact that viruses are being researched in a laboratory doesn't make them unnatural.

I've always believed it came from the lab...the unnatural virus. The circumstancal evidence was always overwhelming. At this point only a half wit would think this unnatural disaster was bats flying into Wuhan, biting a pangolin on the ass which some poor Chinaman bought and his wife made into soup.

[tomacht8]

.... to have patience and follow the rules.

East to say, by someone with billions in his bank accounts.

But there are millions of Thai people who lost there job 

and do not know how to buy tomorrow something to eat.

The leadership of Thailand lives in a golden ivory tower and has lost contact with 95% of the population.

[sezze]

Just now, kynikoi said:

I've always believed it came from the lab...the unnatural virus. The circumstancal evidence was always overwhelming. At this point only a half wit would think this unnatural disaster was bats flying into Wuhan, biting a pangolin on the ass which some poor Chinaman bought and his wife made into soup.

You do understand how virus works yes ? Any single day virus jump species , 99.999% of the time nothing happens , as it does nothing , or it doesn't transmit to others due to a huge amount of variables , or any other reason . Very sometimes 1 of the jumps is very lucky to be in the right host , at the right time , in a busy place , right climate .... ... ... . The bat didn't need to bite a pangolin , and neither did the Chinese man had to put the bat in the soup . They only needed to be close to each other , which can happen at exotic markets ( unlikely it is the Wuhan market , but it can be ). These jumps in species and getting a pandemic isn't new , it happened many times before , like 1918 , but also more recent SARS , MERS and many others and there will be more and more since we can travel faster and further and are with a lot of people around us , creating good breeding ground for a virus .

Specialists said they can't find traces of crispr technique used ,since it leaves traces .

 

[Dogmatix]

Recently I have noticed Thai acquaintances, who were died in the wool yellow shirts that hung out at Suthep's rallies and were enthusiastic supporters of the coup, openly turning against him in their FB posts.

[kynikoi]

2 minutes ago, sezze said:

You do understand how virus works yes ? Any single day virus jump species , 99.999% of the time nothing happens , as it does nothing , or it doesn't transmit to others due to a huge amount of variables , or any other reason . Very sometimes 1 of the jumps is very lucky to be in the right host , at the right time , in a busy place , right climate .... ... ... . The bat didn't need to bite a pangolin , and neither did the Chinese man had to put the bat in the soup . They only needed to be close to each other , which can happen at exotic markets ( unlikely it is the Wuhan market , but it can be ). These jumps in species and getting a pandemic isn't new , it happened many times before , like 1918 , but also more recent SARS , MERS and many others and there will be more and more since we can travel faster and further and are with a lot of people around us , creating good breeding ground for a virus .

Specialists said they can't find traces of crispr technique used ,since it leaves traces .

 

What a laff. Just the same vapid, tired denial. No proof of how it happened.... TWO years and nothing..

 

I'm too lazy to dig up the links.. As far as I'm concerned it was engineered.

[whatsupdoc]

42 minutes ago, kynikoi said:

I've always believed it came from the lab...the unnatural virus. The circumstancal evidence was always overwhelming. At this point only a half wit would think this unnatural disaster was bats flying into Wuhan, biting a pangolin on the ass which some poor Chinaman bought and his wife made into soup.

Nice that you just believe things, I'd rather stick to scientific evidence (not circumstantial conspiracy theories). Haven't seen any proof that the virus is of an unlikely unnatural origin.

[jerrymahoney]

Sounds like the "past exonerative" tense" as used by US President Ronald Reagan:

 

Mistakes were made.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistakes_were_made  "Mistakes were made" is an expression that is commonly used as a rhetorical device, whereby a speaker acknowledges that a situation was handled poorly or inappropriately but seeks to evade any direct admission or accusation of responsibility by not specifying the person who made the mistakes.

[PEE TEE]

He would never dare to be truthful and simply blame the Chinese  

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Nice that you just believe things, I'd rather stick to scientific evidence (not circumstantial conspiracy theories). Haven't seen any proof that the virus is of an unlikely unnatural origin.

The jury is still out, I was originally of the same opinion as you, however since the latest statements from WHO last week I'm keeping an open mind, here's a couple of links from WHO a few days ago.

 

WHO Chief Says It Was ‘Premature’ to Rule out COVID Lab Leak

 

China Rejects WHO Call for More Transparency on Origins Probe

[joecoolfrog]

If he seriously believes that the covid situation was ever ' beautiful ' , then he is even more incompetent than even I thought 

[doublezero]

He blames the "rule breakers". Besides the fact that negelecting and breaking the rules is sort of a Thai national sport, not to say is something expected from every Thai, what about the following rule: A government elected in a free election and acknowledged by the King must not be overthrown by a power hungry general. It is absolutely impertinent by such a rule breaking general to blame others of rule breaking. 

 

The current situation in Thailand on the other hand can easily be blamed on a rule breaking general.

Edited July 21, 2021 by doublezero

[Golden Triangle]

Jodrell banker.

[kynikoi]

5 hours ago, sezze said:

You do understand how virus works yes ? Any single day virus jump species , 99.999% of the time nothing happens , as it does nothing , or it doesn't transmit to others due to a huge amount of variables , or any other reason . Very sometimes 1 of the jumps is very lucky to be in the right host , at the right time , in a busy place , right climate .... ... ... . The bat didn't need to bite a pangolin , and neither did the Chinese man had to put the bat in the soup . They only needed to be close to each other , which can happen at exotic markets ( unlikely it is the Wuhan market , but it can be ). These jumps in species and getting a pandemic isn't new , it happened many times before , like 1918 , but also more recent SARS , MERS and many others and there will be more and more since we can travel faster and further and are with a lot of people around us , creating good breeding ground for a virus .

Specialists said they can't find traces of crispr technique used ,since it leaves traces .

 

I understand how it might work naturally there's just absolutely no evidence of that occuring NONE.

 

Bats from Kunming lol

No patient zero

No epicenter

No vector

 

[Albert Zweistein]

And I also implore you to wear your helmet on the motorbike.

[kiwikeith]

19 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Ironically, the one person who should have lost his job..... hasn't!

He never mentioned the employers of slaves, smuggled into Thailand, nor have they stopped them coming in. 

People paying to be smuggled into Thailand to work still. 

Factories still working with infected people, you can't get out and you can never leave. 

Then the hiso parties in Bangkok that spread Delta, source of virus not found, look at the people that were there, they were probably quarantine hotel owners or airport, airline staff. 

The suspension of imported labour, should have been enacted. 

But no these factories are still going and locking infected workers in. 

Construction workers kept in government tents under freeways, as they have no room for them in hospitals. 

 

And now the Covid daily toll up to 1300, and to make matters worse, bodies lying dead in the streets. 

If this R0 rate continues could be up to 30000 per day in another month. 

Delta has spread throughout Thailand and....... the Horse has Bolted... Because someone forgot to shut the doors. 

Note, slave labour factories full of covid infections are still operating, but obviously they bear no impact on corona 

Carry on regardless, people who die in the streets will be picked up, Mai pben Rai. 

[metisdead]

A troll post trolling another member has been removed. 

[Blumpie]

The pandemic looked so beautiful?  Are you drunk?  

[kynikoi]

8 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

Nice that you just believe things, I'd rather stick to scientific evidence (not circumstantial conspiracy theories). Haven't seen any proof that the virus is of an unlikely unnatural origin.

So where is the science?

 

Bats from Kunming in Wuhan

 

No vector

 

No patient zero

 

Chinese torched fake epicenter

 

Missing doctors from lab presumed dead. Some are in fact.

 

China refused to admit WHO team even when it was staffed with shills.

 

I think that's the issue. Two years and there is no science behind the *story*

 

There are huge amounts of circumstantial evidence that the virus was leaked.

 

Can't prove a negative genius.

Edited July 22, 2021 by kynikoi

[kynikoi]

10 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

I have a lot of experience in working with micro-organisms (including viruses). I do not need your 'education', I only asked for the scientific evidence you claimed. Spreading conspiracy theories is easy, giving real scientific evidence isn't.

Where is ANY evidence this virus came from cave bats in Kunming?

[Blumpie]

10 minutes ago, kynikoi said:

Where is ANY evidence this virus came from cave bats in Kunming?

I wouldn't worry about any of this.  We have someone else posting on another thread that the great black plague came back in a fourth wave after everyone was inoculated.  Which is completely false.  

 

Anyone want to play checkers?  

[jacko45k]

17 hours ago, Spock said:

A lockdown and restrictions were needed months ago, certainly prior to Songkran. 

And an active vaccination program up and running prior to that would have helped too.

[Kevin Taylor]

19 hours ago, Virt said:

The Thai government sat on their hands for ages and failed to order proper vaccines in time.

It's as simple as that, and the PM should stop blaiming groups of Thais for this mess.

 

Thailand managed to go through this fairly well until the Delta version appeared and after that things went south.

If enough Thais had been vaccinated with Proper vaccines, they wouldn't have to face another lockdown.

 

A little data from Denmark to show the difference when the majority is vaccinated.

 

Here in Denmark 67,6% has started their vaccination.

84,2% had Pfizer, 10,8% had Moderna and the rest is AZ and J&J, but those 2 has been taken off the official program due to side effects, so that's why most have Pfizer/Moderna. 

Some are Cross vaccinated with AZ/Pfizer, but that combo still seems effective enough against the Delta, so that's nice.

 

Denmark still have the Delta version in most of the daily samples( we have about 700-1000 total positive pr day at the moment and about 80% of those are Delta),

but deaths and hospital submissions are very very low.

There are 50 in hospital in Denmark atm and in the last 8 days we had 0,0,0,1,1,1,0,0 deaths.

 

Low number here even if we are almost open as normal.

No masks required anywhere unless in public transport (can take mask off while sitting though and masks wont be needed in public transport from sept 1, but i guess the airlines still will require masks.)

Bars open until 02:00

Large soccer matches at national stadium during EURO soccer matches.

Beaches packed with people in the summer heat.

And still no crazy spikes even with the Delta variant being the most dominant.

 

So the vaccines work and it's so sad to see Thailand didn't react in time.

If the politicians did their job, Thailand would have been opened up by now.

They delayed the whole healing process and now it will just take even longer before many Thais are back on their feet.

That's pretty interesting that you are open. There seems to be a lot of negative press about the UK opening, most saying it's a crazy experiment. But Denmark is already open, correct me if I'm wrong but Sweden your neighbour never closed and they seem to be doing fine also.

 

[kcpattaya]

The incompetence of this administration will lead to many more deaths of people starving from hunger or dying from stress.

[Darkside Gray]

On 7/10/2021 at 7:47 PM, BritManToo said:

Alternative destinations are pretty thin on the ground at the moment.

Pre-COVID I'd have had no problems relocating to PI or Cambodia.

Pre-Brexit I'd have had no problems relocating to France/Spain for that matter.

The C19 Czar ha s again gone missing in action placing the blame on everyone but the Czar himself and the government resign and do the country a favor!

[inThailand]

PM reflects on Covid crisis: It looked so beautiful now it's come to this - blames rule breakers. 

 

What a kn.. for saying this. 

 

A coup is overdue. 

Edited July 22, 2021 by inThailand

[Robert Tyrrell]

Hello,

 

Dear Mr. Prayut ,

 

You Government Covid Policies and Vaccination Policies along with making sandbox schemes a priority over Humanitarian Efforts and Empathy is what has failed the Thai People and Expats in Thailand,

Stop !! pointing the finger at us and start doing your job !! 
 

Best Regards 

Retired American ???????? Living in Thailand ???????? :) 

[Uroller]

On 7/21/2021 at 8:56 AM, sezze said:

While im not in front in this government i'd say he is right 100%  . Meeting others , anybody , can be sister. brother , child , parent , friend , parent anybody at all , can lead to further spread of the virus . It really is anybodies own case which gives it reason to exist .  Government can only give advise , it is all up to you and meeting anybody can lead to spreading it further .

He refused to mention his disastrous vaccine rollout, which, like it or not is helping other countries and he has focused on opening up Thailand instead of increasing vaccine purchase! He also doesn’t seem to realize that vaccinated people, who he welcomes, can still spread the virus as the vaccine only protects the person vaccinated????

[ThailandRyan]

He forgot to also wear his rose colored lensed glasses when he took the photo and was preaching about it being everyone elses fault that Thailand was in this predicament. 

[sezze]

9 hours ago, kynikoi said:

I understand how it might work naturally there's just absolutely no evidence of that occuring NONE.

 

Bats from Kunming lol

No patient zero

No epicenter

No vector

 

The bats CAN be from there , but can also be from many other places . The specific bat type is found all over Asia . No patient 0 , because that is very very hard to find . A thing with Covid is , as many deniers say , is that many people are asymptomatic and/or have only minor discomfort . When having fever a few days and a bit of throat pain ,  you do not get yourself checked for a new virus ( which then did not exist ) . By the time it reached Wuhan , came the big outbreak which was noticed , but it could have been around much longer ( there's evidence that it was around much much longer then December 2019 , from sewage water samples , and not in China) . So saying it escaped from a lab specific in Wuhan , is more unlikely then that being the case .

[sezze]

1 hour ago, Uroller said:

He refused to mention his disastrous vaccine rollout, which, like it or not is helping other countries and he has focused on opening up Thailand instead of increasing vaccine purchase! He also doesn’t seem to realize that vaccinated people, who he welcomes, can still spread the virus as the vaccine only protects the person vaccinated????

Yes and no , spread can happen from vaccinated persons , but it is a lot less then from non vaccinated persons .And saying they are welcomed is not very true , the rules difference is not very big . Vaccinated quarantine on island , non vaccinated quarantine inside room , that is the only difference.

You are however 100% right on the vaccines , which they should focus on , by all means , meaning if it costs money , it costs money . The cost of vaccination is a lot lower ( human lives + economy ) then being in lockdown , having no tourists , bad reputation ( they do care for face , so it is a very valuable asset ) .... .