Must Read Thailand reports another record high in new COVID-19 cases

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Not all. Bueng Kan Province has dropped from 60 odd to 50. All schools shut for 50 cases. Amazing. 

It still amazes me that some think schools should remain open. It's like they've never heard of the Delta variant or Sars-cov-2 at all. Still my guess is it's these people who said at the beginning never mind, it's just the flu.

[ThailandRyan]

27 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Satun’s Koh Lipe under lockdown after 32 new cases found

 

Satun governor Ekarat Leesen on Thursday announced a lockdown on Koh Lipe after 32 new Covid-19 infections were found on the island during testing with rapid antigen kits. #Satun #kohlipeisland #COVID19 #TheNationThailand

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40004257

 

 

Cases are growing everywhere it appears and the islands are not adverse to getting cases either it appears.

[ThailandRyan]

27 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Not all. Bueng Kan Province has dropped from 60 odd to 50. All schools shut for 50 cases. Amazing. 

You still do not get it do you, Do you believe this is just a conspiracy or something designed to take away your freedom and ruin your daily life?.  Schools are shut everywhere, and if you believe they should be opened in the middle of active case growth where even children are dying here in Thailand well then I have nothing more to say except Good luck.

[brewsterbudgen]

3 hours ago, anchadian said:

This data was released on 23 July.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/vaxzevria-is-highly-effective-after-one-dose-against-severe-disease-or-hospitalisation-caused-by-beta-and-delta-variants-of-concern.html

 

One dose of AstraZeneca “highly effective” against different variants, study shows

 

A single dose of AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine provides “highly effective protection” against severe illness caused by Beta and Delta strains, the company said Thursday, citing real-world Canadian data.

 

In a press release, the company released results of a study by the Canadian Immunization Research Network, attesting that one dose of the vaccine was 82 per cent and 87 per cent effective against hospitalization or death caused by the Beta and the Delta variants, respectively.

 

The study also shows that the vaccine was 90 per cent effective against hospitalization or death caused by the Alpha variant, first identified in the United Kingdom.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30896/one-dose-of-astrazeneca-highly-effective-against-different-variants-study-shows/

That's good to know.  I had my first jab last week, so just need to hang on until mid-October to get the full benefit, but happy with 87% in the meantime!

[brewsterbudgen]

23 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It still amazes me that some think schools should remain open. It's like they've never heard of the Delta variant or Sars-cov-2 at all. Still my guess is it's these people who said at the beginning never mind, it's just the flu.

I guess some of us consider education, socialisation skills and child development to be vital.  As you know, I think schools in Thailand were closed far too early, and I hope they are prioritised for re-opening when the wave is over.  I'm no fan of the UK government, but I wish the Thai government placed a similar value on education.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/14/uk/england-schools-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/index.html

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I guess some of us consider education, socialisation skills and child development to be vital.  As you know, I think schools in Thailand were closed far too early, and I hope they are prioritised for re-opening when the wave is over.  I'm no fan of the UK government, but I wish the Thai government placed a similar value on education.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/14/uk/england-schools-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/index.html

If vaccinations were upwards of 60% for all, then maybe I could agree with you as far as opening schools just like the west has done, but with the way that this wave is going, I do not think schools will be opened anytime soon.

[James105]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

You still do not get it do you, Do you believe this is just a conspiracy or something designed to take away your freedom and ruin your daily life?.  Schools are shut everywhere, and if you believe they should be opened in the middle of active case growth where even children are dying here in Thailand well then I have nothing more to say except Good luck.

Thing is, children are dying with the schools closed, and if they are children then their co-morbidity is probably something terminal, such as cancer and they would probably not be anywhere near a school even if open - the most likely scenario (without any details) is that they picked up corona in hospital that they were already in.   Closing schools is a political choice,  and the choice being made here is to sacrifice the life chances and opportunities of those at the beginning of their lives in order to protect those that have already lived a full life.  No-one should pretend that what kids are getting with the schools closed is in any way equivalent to the in-person education that the rest of us have already enjoyed.    

 

I've never been convinced that schools should close (I would have a different opinion if the virus was killing kids of course), but then I've never really seen it as a child's responsibility to make sacrifices to protect the adults.  In the world I used to live in, it was the other way around. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

Thing is, children are dying with the schools closed, and if they are children then their co-morbidity is probably something terminal, such as cancer and they would probably not be anywhere near a school even if open - the most likely scenario (without any details) is that they picked up corona in hospital that they were already in.   Closing schools is a political choice,  and the choice being made here is to sacrifice the life chances and opportunities of those at the beginning of their lives in order to protect those that have already lived a full life.  No-one should pretend that what kids are getting with the schools closed is in any way equivalent to the in-person education that the rest of us have already enjoyed.    

 

I've never been convinced that schools should close (I would have a different opinion if the virus was killing kids of course), but then I've never really seen it as a child's responsibility to make sacrifices to protect the adults.  In the world I used to live in, it was the other way around. 

 

Who's going to teach the children if the schools are open and the teachers have gone down with the virus as a result? Who's going to replace the teachers who have died. Then of course those children will need to join their parents after school and pass it on to them, in Thailand that means many elderly relatives all living in the same house. Not to mention of course the further community spread of the virus.

 

Its a huge loss for the children education wise for this period, I have one of my own. However my daughter would also not like to infect me or her mum. Online learning for this period is the lesser of two evils.

Edited August 5, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[brewsterbudgen]

15 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

If vaccinations were upwards of 60% for all, then maybe I could agree with you as far as opening schools just like the west has done, but with the way that this wave is going, I do not think schools will be opened anytime soon.

Unfortunately, I think you're probably right.  I'm holding out for September/October, but then I'm an eternal optimist!!

[Macrohistory]

16 minutes ago, James105 said:

Thing is, children are dying with the schools closed, and if they are children then their co-morbidity is probably something terminal, such as cancer and they would probably not be anywhere near a school even if open - the most likely scenario (without any details) is that they picked up corona in hospital that they were already in.   Closing schools is a political choice,  and the choice being made here is to sacrifice the life chances and opportunities of those at the beginning of their lives in order to protect those that have already lived a full life.  No-one should pretend that what kids are getting with the schools closed is in any way equivalent to the in-person education that the rest of us have already enjoyed.    

 

I've never been convinced that schools should close (I would have a different opinion if the virus was killing kids of course), but then I've never really seen it as a child's responsibility to make sacrifices to protect the adults.  In the world I used to live in, it was the other way around. 

 

 

Yes, kids don't need their grandparents, so it's okay to open schools and let the grandparents die.

 

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I guess some of us consider education, socialisation skills and child development to be vital.  As you know, I think schools in Thailand were closed far too early, and I hope they are prioritised for re-opening when the wave is over.  I'm no fan of the UK government, but I wish the Thai government placed a similar value on education.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/14/uk/england-schools-hit-by-coronavirus-pandemic/index.html

You get me wrong. I am an educator and I definitely see these things as vital. I also see the health of the students, teachers and their families as vital. Which one would you choose over the other? The UK can do things because of vaccinations but it will be interesting to see what happens in schools as students by the most part are not vaccinated. Clusters in Queensland right now coming from schools. The Thai government should have placed value on vaccinations, true mass testing and effective hard lockdowns long ago. If this was done then maybe schools could have openned for the beginning of nxt term. This is not going to happen.

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, James105 said:

Thing is, children are dying with the schools closed, and if they are children then their co-morbidity is probably something terminal, such as cancer and they would probably not be anywhere near a school even if open - the most likely scenario (without any details) is that they picked up corona in hospital that they were already in.   Closing schools is a political choice,  and the choice being made here is to sacrifice the life chances and opportunities of those at the beginning of their lives in order to protect those that have already lived a full life.  No-one should pretend that what kids are getting with the schools closed is in any way equivalent to the in-person education that the rest of us have already enjoyed.    

 

I've never been convinced that schools should close (I would have a different opinion if the virus was killing kids of course), but then I've never really seen it as a child's responsibility to make sacrifices to protect the adults.  In the world I used to live in, it was the other way around. 

 

What about if the kids killed their parents or grandparents because they contracted Sars-Cov-2 at school and tranmitted it to them. It seems like you only want to think to a point that justifies your own thoughts and not beyond. As for your last statement about sacrifices and protection my kids school reopened and the wife didn't wan't my kid to go to school. This was early May I think. 2 wks later there was an outbreak in another school and all schools were closed. You may have noticed things have got a lot worse since then. Sorry but what you say might sit with your reality but it certainly doesn't sit with mine.

[Marvin Hagler]

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

WHO calls for halting COVID-19 vaccine boosters in favor of unvaccinated

 

Aug 4 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization is calling for a halt on COVID-19 vaccine boosters until at least the end of September, its head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday, as the gap between vaccinations in wealthy and poor countries widens.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-calls-moratorium-covid-19-vaccine-booster-doses-until-september-end-2021-08-04/

Does anyone honestly take the WHO seriously anymore? They have become a joke during this whole pandemic and have been wrong at every turn. Pretty sure no countries are following their advice anymore.

[brewsterbudgen]

4 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

No they are not ruining my daily life at all but they are potentially ruining a whole generation of children’s education for the sake of 50 cases on a whole Province. 

I guess some people’s perspective is different to others and the emphasis they place on education. 

And what makes the situation even sadder here in Thailand, is that a huge number of Thai kids will not even be having online classes as they don't have the technology or appropriate living conditions.  

[dinsdale]

22 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

No they are not ruining my daily life at all but they are potentially ruining a whole generation of children’s education for the sake of 50 cases on a whole Province. 

I guess some people’s perspective is different to others and the emphasis they place on education. 

When you say 50 cases you are talking about per day? So 350 per wk and 1,400 per month at at stable daily rate of 50 per day. Bit more than your 50 number don't you think. This is happening globally and kids will catch up. My biggest worry is addiction to phones. Already very bad but this is a real problem and not just for the kids either.

Edited August 5, 2021 by dinsdale

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

And what makes the situation even sadder here in Thailand, is that a huge number of Thai kids will not even be having online classes as they don't have the technology or appropriate living conditions.  

Not sure what you mean about living conditions but the digital divide is most certainly a very big problem even in developed nations.

[Parsve]

Before Songkran this year Thailand was ranked as number 143 among the countries with most Covid-19. Today it is ranked as number 40. We all now how is to blame for the mess. Of course he would never say that as it in his mind would be to loose his face. Dear sir believe me, most people living in Thailand already think that you have loose your face, or att least put it high upp in your a**.

[Kadilo]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't ruin a childs entire education with a few months off school and replaced with online learning.

 

What would effect a childs emotional health for their entire life would be if they knowingly infected a parent or relative who died as a result.

 

Yes a different perspective to you but one from a professional background in the care of vulnerable children dealing with loss and separation.

The online learning  is generally pish and for many up North it’s either doesn’t happen due to a number of reasons one being lack of PC/internet access and secondly lack of supervision. 
 

Everything is about balance and priority. I’m not gonna agree that schools should be shutdown on a whole province that has 50 cases 

 

……..obviously if i was a teacher I would be over the moon to have yet another extended break and play the fear card. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Kadilo

[Kadilo]

24 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

And what makes the situation even sadder here in Thailand, is that a huge number of Thai kids will not even be having online classes as they don't have the technology or appropriate living conditions.  

Yes unfortunately for many in Thailand Education is a very low priority. 
Many Isaan villages with not one positive case recorded since it all began but every school shutdown for weeks. 
 

Ridiculous. 
 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Kadilo

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, darksidedog said:

More miserable news and its tough to see a way out. Last night walking my dog I saw several groups in my village drinking and socialising with no attempt whatsoever at keeping any distance. Group sizes ranged from 4 or 5 up to 11. It really is no wonder its spreading, yet a single foreigner spotted without a mask is headline news. Crazy!

Probably the same in many more rural areas, large family get-togethers, friends and neighbours.

The numbers are going to keep increasing. 

[anchadian]

Home isolation patients up threefold

 

The number of Covid patients isolating at home, supported by the government programme, has risen threefold in a little more than a week, according to a statement by the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) on Thursday.

 

“Nearly 100,000 Covid patients in Bangkok have entered the home isolation programme,” said Apisamai Srirangson, the CCSA’s assistant spokeswoman.

 

On July 27, the Department of Medical Services said there were 30,036 Covid patients in the programme in Bangkok.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30914/home-isolation-patients-up-threefold/

[dinsdale]

Just now, Kadilo said:

The online learning  is generally pish and for many up North it’s either doesn’t happen due to a number of reasons one being lack of PC/internet access and secondly lack of supervision. 
 

Everything is about balance and priority. I’m not gonna agree that schools should be shutdown on a whole province that has 50 cases 

 

……..obviously if i was a teacher I would be over the moon to have yet another extended break. 

Again can I point out that 50 cases is in one day. What's the population of the province? How many amphur's? Have an "extended break" is just an insult to every teacher. If this is how you think then if this pandemic happened back when you were a student and there was no school I doubt it would have made much of of difference. Your last comment about teachers is just terrible. 

[bkkcanuck8]

2 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

12 and older. 
 

Again, why? Maybe that is normal. When are “normal” vaccines given? Oh… that’s right, when they are infants. That is because we KNOW it is safe. 

The Delta variant is sending more young into the ICU than previous variants.  I also suspect it will not be the last 'variant' that is created, since the longer it takes to reduce the spread to nominal.... the more chances there are for further mutations that will make it more deadly, more contagious or more aggressive at infecting younger people (or a combination of above).   These normal mutations are the least of our worries though ('Antigenic Drift'),  SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is actually a rather slow mutating virus compared to others.  The real risk with the continued spread of SARS-CoV-2 is that it has shown that this version which is primarily human transmissible -- also has been transmitted to animals (cats, dogs, minks, etc.).   In the case of minks there is confirmed proof of bi-directional transmissibility.  Coronaviruses (of which SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 is one strain) is limited in diversity in humans (I believe there are 7 known now: 4 strains cause colds, SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19], SARS-CoV-1 [SARS outbreak of 2003ish] (10% mortality rate), and MERS [limited transmissibility in humans but 38% mortality rate]). 

 

The influenza virus is perennial threat since there are a large diverse reservoir of different influenza strains already in humans, which allows for the risk of 'Antigenic Shift' (as opposed to 'Antigenic Drift') where two different strains of virus infects the same host and allows for the risk of swapping whole segments of the virus between them creating new virus strains (this creates new virus types that we would have NO vaccine to protect us).   Since this version of the virus can transmit to animals and back, there is a risk (though a much lower risk) of this happening in the animals close to us. 

 

The longer this is uncontrolled, the more time we give it to become 'all that it can become'. 

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Home isolation patients up threefold

 

The number of Covid patients isolating at home, supported by the government programme, has risen threefold in a little more than a week, according to a statement by the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) on Thursday.

 

“Nearly 100,000 Covid patients in Bangkok have entered the home isolation programme,” said Apisamai Srirangson, the CCSA’s assistant spokeswoman.

 

On July 27, the Department of Medical Services said there were 30,036 Covid patients in the programme in Bangkok.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30914/home-isolation-patients-up-threefold/

Boom go the numbers, but not the case count itself.  

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

…..obviously if i was a teacher I would be over the moon to have yet another extended break and play the fear card.

Do you actually think any of this through prior to posting.

Very shallow stuff. 

[DrJack54]

40 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

I guess some people’s perspective is different to others and the emphasis they place on education.

Stone throwing 101. Childish in my book.

[grain]

27 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

And what makes the situation even sadder here in Thailand, is that a huge number of Thai kids will not even be having online classes as they don't have the technology or appropriate living conditions.  

I see it where I'm living, in rural Isarn. Since the pandemic started in March 2020 the local school has hardly been open, and it's now many months since it last closed. The kids do nothing, just play in the sand & ride their bikes. Their parents are poorly educated themselves and I'm not aware of any home schooling going on. Yet Thai friends of mine who are teachers at schools for middle class Bangkok kids tell me they are working online every day with their students. So the gap between the middle & upper class Thais and the lower class is widening more than ever now. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

The online learning  is generally pish and for many up North it’s either doesn’t happen due to a number of reasons one being lack of PC/internet access and secondly lack of supervision. 
 

Everything is about balance and priority. I’m not gonna agree that schools should be shutdown on a whole province that has 50 cases 

 

……..obviously if i was a teacher I would be over the moon to have yet another extended break and play the fear card. 

Back in late June or before, government schools in Thailand were closed, however on the 22nd June there was a muslim school that for some reason stayed open, the outbreak there of the Beta variant went onto infect 12 provinces and many cases including deaths, its still not over there as a result.

 

The health and welfare of children and adults is a government policy issue and not an act of playing the fear card. 

 

BANGKOK (NNT) - Thailand’s Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) reported on 21 June that the Beta strain of COVID-19, first identified in South Africa, is now sweeping through the South, after initially being found in a cluster at an Islamic school on 9 June.

https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG210622103533706

Edited August 5, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[James105]

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What about if the kids killed their parents or grandparents because they contracted Sars-Cov-2 at school and tranmitted it to them. It seems like you only want to think to a point that justifies your own thoughts and not beyond. As for your last statement about sacrifices and protection my kids school reopened and the wife didn't wan't my kid to go to school. This was early May I think. 2 wks later there was an outbreak in another school and all schools were closed. You may have noticed things have got a lot worse since then. Sorry but what you say might sit with your reality but it certainly doesn't sit with mine.

Suggesting that it is the adults responsibility to protect children,  and not the other way around, never actually used to be a controversial thing to say.  It’s a strange world we now live in.   

 

Sweden never closed schools.  They made a choice not to sacrifice kids education.   It was probably at the cost of some older lives and  I think they made the right choice.   You will of course disagree and that is your choice.   

[dinsdale]

Just now, anchadian said:

Home isolation patients up threefold

 

The number of Covid patients isolating at home, supported by the government programme, has risen threefold in a little more than a week, according to a statement by the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) on Thursday.

 

“Nearly 100,000 Covid patients in Bangkok have entered the home isolation programme,” said Apisamai Srirangson, the CCSA’s assistant spokeswoman.

 

On July 27, the Department of Medical Services said there were 30,036 Covid patients in the programme in Bangkok.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30914/home-isolation-patients-up-threefold/

Well then very interesting. Just how many positives are there right now be it in hospitals, field hospitals, hospitels, community isolation and home isolation? What % of the population is officially positive as of today. We tend to look at the trees and not the forrest. Let me again say for anyone who is going to say that 17,926 were released from hospital today maybe 1/2 of them have gone into the isolation pragramme and hence are still infected.