2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I've been stuck outside Thailand away form the wife for 16 months, BUT if they shut Thailand down until Jan 1 and inject what they can and open up without hoops 100% then I'm ok with the delay, at least we can plan.

 

It's the not knowing anything definite that's doing everyone's heads in !

ASQ for you. 

9 minutes ago, lesmac said:

I agree and the post below has know right in our freedom of choice. I have suffered blod clots for 7 years so why the <deleted> would I risk taking an untested vax that is known to cause blood clots

Untested? Really? What planet are you on? But yes, for you it might not be the path to take. You, though, are not the norm. Most people do not suffer from blood clots, nor do 99.999999+% of the people vaccinated. I like the odds for 'normal' people.

Thank God the rest of Thailand is still opening October 1st 

17 minutes ago, DjSilver said:

This is just ridiculous. We foreigners doesn't care about the covid spread in Thailand at the moment. It is still 10 times from international standard so that means it can be more than 220k new cases every day and most foreigners wouldn't be worried or care. It is the ridiculous restrictions in Thailand that makes foreigners don't want to go to Thailand. So skip mandatory face masks, open malls, parks, restaurants and gyms and we will come.

It is not about you. 

We still have the Czar's fall back entire country open in 120 days just 79 days left until the next face loss fail????

19 minutes ago, lesmac said:

I agree and the post below has know right in our freedom of choice. I have suffered blod clots for 7 years so why the <deleted> would I risk taking an untested vax that is known to cause blood clots

Fine, stay home. Thailand will be looking for vaccinations to enter and airlines are developing passports to fly. You are going to get pretty lonely without it.

Like I said if a Thai leader says this is going to happen I being a betting man I go the other direction 9-10 you are going to win!????

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I've been stuck outside Thailand away form the wife for 16 months, BUT if they shut Thailand down until Jan 1 and inject what they can and open up without hoops 100% then I'm ok with the delay, at least we can plan.

 

It's the not knowing anything definite that's doing everyone's heads in !

Richard, I am in exactly the same circumstances, lost my flight on 23rd March last year. Its unlikely Thailand will open in October as Prayut said. So can't get back to the condo in Pattaya or my wifes home in Isaan. 

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I've been stuck outside Thailand away form the wife for 16 months, BUT if they shut Thailand down until Jan 1 and inject what they can and open up without hoops 100% then I'm ok with the delay, at least we can plan.

 

It's the not knowing anything definite that's doing everyone's heads in !

You can enter Thailand right now under the Phuket Sandbox or ASQ.

 

2 hours ago, ehs818 said:

And I guess that not everyone wants to live. OK, don't trust science.  Instead you can choose to believe the partisan idiots on TV that don't hold medical degrees. Your life, your choice. Enjoy the MAGA day!

@ehs818 brainwashed

11 minutes ago, smudger1951 said:

Richard, I am in exactly the same circumstances, lost my flight on 23rd March last year. Its unlikely Thailand will open in October as Prayut said. So can't get back to the condo in Pattaya or my wifes home in Isaan. 

 

3 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

You can enter Thailand right now under the Phuket Sandbox or ASQ.

 

 

Pattaya was only ever good for short time. By which I mean staying only for a short time before heading somewhere better like home to Bangkok.

1 hour ago, sungod said:

Serious question, how are you stuck outside? I know plenty who have made the trip, some twice.

Simply as I need to be in a position to return to the UK every 9 months. Going through the hoops and expense once to get to Thailand would not be an issue,  but going through them every 9 months is for me too much. Normally I return to the UK, but only for about 1 day (personal health reasons and ensuring my tenant has not wrecked the house) , I do not stay anywhere other than sit on the train station for a few hours. Returning and having to sort out somewhere to  stay, pcr tests, book new hotels in Thailand, more thai bureaucracy, etc is just daft. And I am not made of money ! If I was a millionaire I would not be stuck - some of us are not made of money or want to waste  of madness

 

 

14 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

You can enter Thailand right now under the Phuket Sandbox or ASQ.

 

Entering is not the issue for me - leaving and re-entering every 9 months (personal issues) is mindblowing daft in paperwork, pcr's  and ASQ ! Hence I will be stuck outside until these daft regs are removed - or unless I win the lottery

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Not every one wants a vax...

And control, a word that probably only exists in connection with hmhm here. For the rest, no control of the unmasked gatherings all over the place

There are thousands upon thousands more infections out there. If you tested everybody you would probably find that over 20 % of the general population, had, has or will have the COVID.  During severe Flu Seasons, scientists estimate that between 5 % to 20% of a population get the flu.  Of course people are rarely tested for the flu, they just treat the symptoms.  If anybody thinks these lockdowns are going to stop anything they are fooling themselves.  They probably just delay the inevitable, while along the way, economies are destroyed which then rolls down hill to more problems

Refusing to take a vaccine, to benefit society and bring society back, is about as sensible as believing the earth is flat.

 

Lock them up? Fine them 100,000 baht each? Forbid them from leaving their homes? Something needs to happen, to encourage these conservative, politically hypnotized goofballs to behave, and both here and in the US. 

 

Imagine making a sacrifice for your country? What a concept. These same people who drape themselves with a false flag of patriotism, would <deleted> their pants if they were ever asked to truly protect their nation or serve in any manner.

 

Yet, they are being asked to do something they do not want to do. For their nation. Imagine? Make a sacrifice? Imagine? Do something you don't want to do, for the greater good. Imagine? 

1 hour ago, lesmac said:

I agree and the post below has know right in our freedom of choice. I have suffered blod clots for 7 years so why the <deleted> would I risk taking an untested vax that is known to cause blood clots

Untested? ove 45 million people in the uk have had 2 doses. And you dont call that untested?.

11 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

There are thousands upon thousands more infections out there. If you tested everybody you would probably find that over 20 % of the general population, had, has or will have the COVID.  During severe Flu Seasons, scientists estimate that between 5 % to 20% of a population get the flu.  Of course people are rarely tested for the flu, they just treat the symptoms.  If anybody thinks these lockdowns are going to stop anything they are fooling themselves.  They probably just delay the inevitable, while along the way, economies are destroyed which then rolls down hill to more problems

Well said

3 minutes ago, Goldpanner said:

Untested? ove 45 million people in the uk have had 2 doses. And you dont call that untested?.

Time will tell.  The longer term effects are not known yet.  The efficacy or effectiveness with time are not well known yet.  The workings against variants and mutations are not well known yet.  If it is so good, then why still emergency approval, why in the USA is there a law prohibiting suing the pharmacy companies?

3 hours ago, bluemoonpattaya said:

Getting back to normality lol ....  This is the new normality, get use to it......

Normality does not exist anymore. "They" will not be happy till Pattaya resembles a post- apocalyptic disaster movie set like "I am Legend".

4 hours ago, ehs818 said:

The ONLY sane solution to dealing with Covid in Thailand is to fully lockdown the populatoin and vaccinate, both done simultaneously! Until that happens there will no return to any type of normal again in this country. Tourist will not return and risk their lives simply because the monied powers that be say so!

When I read stuff like this I wonder how the human race ever came to this. The world has gone totally tonto.

5 hours ago, Caldera said:

Say it ain't so! That plan was doomed from the start.

are you insinuating TAT couldn't plan a sex orgy in a kings cross brothel even if they tried ..... .....   lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I've been stuck outside Thailand away form the wife for 16 months, BUT if they shut Thailand down until Jan 1 and inject what they can and open up without hoops 100% then I'm ok with the delay, at least we can plan.

 

It's the not knowing anything definite that's doing everyone's heads in !

I was away from my wife 16 months same u..anyway i didnt want to wait anymore so i went down in march and stayed 3 months.Now im just happy i went back to my country because of the covid situation in thailand.My wife and her daugther i stucked in her flat..work only online.They tried to go back to rayong last weekend but was denied.

1 hour ago, Goldpanner said:

Untested? ove 45 million people in the uk have had 2 doses. And you dont call that untested?.

The vaccine is very similar to the Sars vaccine which had years of testing. So, the "untested crowd" carries little weight. It is a lame argument, meant to deflect responsibility. 

 

I do not want to get vaccinated, but I am going to do it. I consider it a small sacrifice. 

16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course there is more to the story. So, your answer is do nothing to bring about the restoration of society? 

 

I do not support the economic lockdown. I think they are sheer insanity. But, something has to be done. 

 

I never said do nothing.  You just keep imagining things

26 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

So what if 97% of the new cases are from unvaccinated people?  A very very low percentage suffered or died.  What is wrong with just moving forward and stop crushing economies?  And how do you know that vaccinated people are NOT also coming down with the virus again?  They are not being tested. Their symptoms may be mild or asymptomatic and non existent.  There is more to the story than most people think about

 

Not all vaccinated have the same level of protection. The immunocompromised are more likely to get infected again because they can’t build enough antibodies. As long as the virus keep spreading, new mutations will occur and new variants can become vaccine resistant.

4 hours ago, Guderian said:

Israel is imposing restrictions again as Covid is getting out of control there. It's beginning to make me wonder if the world will ever get back to anything remotely like what we used to think of as normal. Thailand should be making a Plan B, whereby the summer months in the northern hemisphere, where most tourists originate, will become the new High Season, and the winter months, when Covid and flu will likely be at their worst, will be the Low Season and mainly for people who are able to spend a few months on holiday, so that travel restrictions and possible quarantine for 7 to 10 days aren't too disruptive to their visit. Hopefully, it would never be needed, but they really should look at the alternatives and not keep all their eggs in the one proverbial basket.

Israel vaccination numbers are 67% of population . Which by itself is too low ( esp with Delta) and since the vaccination for Delta is working but not as good as for original strain , lots of people can still be affected .

There will be a point where just everybody need to get it , before or after being vaccinated . If you get it after vaccination , chances of hospital or death are much lower , but it is not 0 . This period is happening in UK , where they saw a big number of cases , but hospitals could handle the load and deaths were low . Now cases are much lower and deaths stay on low lvl . They might have reached that point where infection doesn't matter at all anymore , future will tell us .

 

4 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Not every one wants a vax...

For those who do not want a vaccination may find that their travel plans will be very limited. I have read that many night clubs in the UK will not allow unvaccinated customers into their clubs.

 

In the future airlines will not allow passengers to board, international travel will be forbidden, perhaps in the future unvaccinated people will be put into quarantine at their expense until they accept a vaccination.

 

This is only my opinion and not wishful thinking.

 

Still the choice to vaccinate or not is yours.

 

My choice is vaccination.

 

YMMV

2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Bingo! And there you have, in a few words, exactly why the pandemic will drag on indefinitely. The UK is a prime example of what can happen when the vast majority - around 80% of people - are fully vaccinated. Just about everything opened up, and although some expected 200,000 cases a day to follow that hasn't happened. Far from it. And at the same time there have been several news items recently of families reporting that one or more of their members had expressed regret in the days before they died that they had not been vaccinated. Still, everyone has the right to play Russian Roulette with their life if they want to.

quote "Still, everyone has the right to play Russian Roulette with their life if they want to."

 

But it does NOT give anyone the right to play Russian Roulette with my life or that of my families lives.