Popular Post webfact Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 Picture: Daily News The Chiang Mai court handed down 15 day jail terms to six monks and two laymen caught breaking Covid gathering rules and temple alcohol rules. The prison terms were suspended for a year. The group was caught having "moo katha" (pork cooked at the table) and alcoholic drinks. Taken into evidence were five opened cans of Singh beer, three unopened cans and some unopened cans of Smirnoff cooler, reported Daily News. Everyone was fined 10,000 baht for breaking Covid-19 rules and four of them - three monks and a laymen - were fined an additional 2,500 baht for consuming alcohol in a temple (a law promulgated in 2008). -- © Copyright ASEAN NOW 2021-08-31 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swiss1960 Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 What about defrocking the monks? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2long Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 15 days in jail SUSPENDED for a YEAR, is hardly a punishment OR a deterrent, is it? ???????????????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Authentic Buddhist monks are not supposed to drink alcohol nor eat meat. Edited August 31, 2021 by EricTh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thenewgoo Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 Can't see any of them having 10,000 B to pay the fine...oh look...donation box! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, 2long said: 15 days in jail SUSPENDED for a YEAR, is hardly a punishment OR a deterrent, is it? ???????????????? IF this happened to the farangs drinking everyone would cry foul. Nobody has been send to jail for breaking covid rules why should these monks be send to jail ? I mean this went already further then just a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prakhonchai nick Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Why on earth do they become Monks, when they want to live and behave like normal men? It's not compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post n00dle Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said: Why on earth do they become Monks, when they want to live and behave like normal men? It's not compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! No, but it's a pretty decent way to cut your overheads when you can't afford rent or food due to covid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Swiss1960 said: What about defrocking the monks? They were found not to be transvestites....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Well, the men of the cloth are supposed to have no money whatsoever. That would make the fining of Baht 10'000 for the Covid-rule-breaking plus a Baht 2'500 booze charge obsolete due to impossibility of collection. The 15 days jail corresponds to studies in the solidarity cubicle in the temple (กุฏิ) but wondering, if all this will put them back on track. Alternatively they will get defrocked (what a word) and can carry on their illegal activities without spiritual fears in the next or after-life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anant72 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said: Why on earth do they become Monks, when they want to live and behave like normal men? It's not compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! Too lazy to work: better wear a saffron robe and allow yourself some good time occasionally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, 2long said: 15 days in jail SUSPENDED for a YEAR, is hardly a punishment OR a deterrent, is it? ???????????????? 15 days in jail suspended for a year and given a fine that they can't possibly pay... talk about getting let off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said: Why on earth do they become Monks, when they want to live and behave like normal men? It's not compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! Beats working or not as the case maybe, and sleeping in a shop doorway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, EricTh said: Authentic Buddhist monks are not supposed to drink alcohol nor eat meat. You've almost answered your own statement with the first word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jippytum Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 During my early morning walks i quite often see poor people donating food and sometimes money to the monks.The fines in this case of abuse will come from the donations of often misguided people who believe monks in Thailand live a monastic life . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont confuse me Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I've witnessed monks in Chaingmai having a cigarette outside pantip plaza and pulling out bundles of cash whilst purchasing the latest smart phones. I've also seen women leaving a temple in the early hours. My ex stopped practicing Buddhism after her brother did 6 months at a temple and told her what went on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Obviously some newbie monks doing a short-term Rain Retreats stint at the local monastery. They'll be shown the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, Dont confuse me said: I've witnessed monks in Chaingmai having a cigarette outside pantip plaza and pulling out bundles of cash whilst purchasing the latest smart phones. I've also seen women leaving a temple in the early hours. My ex stopped practicing Buddhism after her brother did 6 months at a temple and told her what went on! Lots of monks smoke. You can be an addict as long as what your addicted to doesn't make you feel too good. The fact that they are nicotine addicts imho is the primary issue. But the Sangha leaders don't push the issue. They leave it to the individual abbots at monasteries to sort out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 hours ago, EricTh said: Authentic Buddhist monks are not supposed to drink alcohol nor eat meat. The former is true and will get you de-robed and kicked out. The latter is not true at all. Most Thai Buddhist monks in the Theravada traditions eat whatever is given to them. The precepts are against taking life, there is nothing in the precepts about eating meat that is offered on alms rounds. Tibetan monks? That's a different story. Many non-meat eating monks in the Northern Vajrayana tradition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, connda said: The former is true and will get you de-robed and kicked out. The latter is not true at all. Most Thai Buddhist monks in the Theravada traditions eat whatever is given to them. The precepts are against taking life, there is nothing in the precepts about eating meat that is offered on alms rounds. Tibetan monks? That's a different story. Many non-meat eating monks in the Northern Vajrayana tradition. Animals must be killed in order for them to be eaten so the monks are indirectly killing them. Vietnamese, Malaysian, Singaporean Buddhist monks don't eat meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, EricTh said: Animals must be killed in order for them to be eaten so the monks are indirectly killing them. Vietnamese, Malaysian, Singaporean Buddhist monks don't eat meat. Just saying the saying Buddhist monks don't eat meat is painting with a broad brush. It depends on the tradition. Historically, even Siddhārtha Gautama Buddha ate meat. The Theravada tradition has no rules about meat consumption. Sect of the Mahayana and Vajrayana do. Most Vietnamese Buddhists are Mahayana. There are Theravadan monks in Vietnam, and they will eat meat. It has to do with tradition and not geography. Just saying... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said: Why on earth do they become Monks, when they want to live and behave like normal men? It's not compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! A temple is a good place to hide from the police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andycoops Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 15 hours ago, Sydebolle said: Well, the men of the cloth are supposed to have no money whatsoever. That would make the fining of Baht 10'000 for the Covid-rule-breaking plus a Baht 2'500 booze charge obsolete due to impossibility of collection. The 15 days jail corresponds to studies in the solidarity cubicle in the temple (กุฏิ) but wondering, if all this will put them back on track. Alternatively they will get defrocked (what a word) and can carry on their illegal activities without spiritual fears in the next or after-life! I think quite a few go in and come out alot richer than when they entered the temple. They aren't supposed to do many things but even here in the depths of Isaan, you see them openly smoking, driving, spending money in the local village shops etc etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 19 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said: Why on earth do they become Monks, when they want to live and behave like normal men? It's not compulsory!!!!!!!!!!! Its free living, no work, or bills to pay, women to cook for you. Bludgers on society IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnieTheKhwai Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 20 hours ago, 2long said: 15 days in jail SUSPENDED for a YEAR, is hardly a punishment OR a deterrent, is it? ???????????????? Hardly a hanging offense either, is it? But thank you for keeping the forum entertaining AF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnieTheKhwai Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 15 hours ago, EricTh said: Animals must be killed in order for them to be eaten so the monks are indirectly killing them. Vietnamese, Malaysian, Singaporean Buddhist monks don't eat meat. Neither do forest tradition monks in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeymaus Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Dont confuse me said: I've witnessed monks in Chaingmai having a cigarette outside pantip plaza and pulling out bundles of cash whilst purchasing the latest smart phones. I've also seen women leaving a temple in the early hours. My ex stopped practicing Buddhism after her brother did 6 months at a temple and told her what went on! Yes. Not all monks are the same. "Thailand's 'jet-set' monk sentenced to 114 years in prison" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-religion-idUSKBN1KU0QD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomchaiCNX Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 23 hours ago, EricTh said: Authentic Buddhist monks are not supposed to drink alcohol nor eat meat. You mentioned it "Authentic Buddhist monks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomchaiCNX Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Mickeymaus said: Yes. Not all monks are the same. "Thailand's 'jet-set' monk sentenced to 114 years in prison" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-religion-idUSKBN1KU0QD Smoking is not on the list. When they wrote down the rules (2000+ years ago) smoking was not discovered yet. You can avoid the money rules by using a credit card (plastic) or by putting it in an envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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