Bkk Brian Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: Frankly, if it was a choice between someone whose background is in construction and those who are medical professionals, I know who I would trust. With that I indeed agree but the ultimate responsibility is his as Health Minister 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bangkok Barry Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 I wonder why no other country in the world has adopted this brilliant idea. Thai medical clever mak mak, other country not same Thailan. Thailan nummer 1. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said: Why are they always trying to cut corners,, And then hit obstacles and barriers normally. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joules Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, smedly said: is this the approved and tested method to administer this vaccine - it isn't is it - why are you doing it - has AZ approved this ??????????? Mr Anutin - do you dilute concrete mix when building ??????? AZ need to get invalved in this now - someone is telling lies Uh, actually, all Thais dilute the concrete mix when building. It flows better so they do not have to do as much work. I had to fight constantly with my workers when building my house to keep the excess water out of my concrete, It made them angry. So why not add a little water to the vaccine? It is the way here. It is GETTING the vaccine that counts so you can proudly wear that little sticker; it makes no difference whether it works. You can't see that. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtco Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 6 hours ago, bkk6060 said: That is interesting. From what I have read having some feeling, pain and swelling is actually a good thing as it shows your body is responding to the vaccine and starting to create antibodies. I had mine about 6-weeks ago and I felt nothing and that seems to be one of the reactions or non-reactions. It all depends on the person being injected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thaifly88 said: 6 hours ago, bkk6060 said: That is interesting. From what I have read having some feeling, pain and swelling is actually a good thing as it shows your body is responding to the vaccine and starting to create antibodies. I also felt nothing when I got my 2nd Pfizer shot. The following day I was quite sick, it lasted 2 days, so I was reassured. I had my first Pfizer shot yesterday, and i didn't even feel the needle go in, so far no reaction, but a little bit tender around the site, no sign of any blood, now after reading this news well ........... Edited September 21, 2021 by brianthainess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazykopite Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Thaifly88 said: I also felt nothing when I got my 2nd Pfizer shot. The following day I was quite sick, it lasted 2 days, so I was reassured. When I had my AZ felt nothing but 48 hours later had a fever one minute hot one minute cold lasted about 6 hours and was then okay have my 2nd AZ next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Producing vaccine labels at 10x the rate of vaccine availability to put on all the bottles of placebo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, rtco said: I had mine about 6-weeks ago and I felt nothing and that seems to be one of the reactions or non-reactions. It all depends on the person being injected. It could also depend on whether you got the vaccine or a placebo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post poskat Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 I have lost track of the tens of millions upon tens of millions of vaccines doses that the government has announced that they have procured, or will be here by years end. based on this, how can there be a need to do any stretching of supplies? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Joules said: Uh, actually, all Thais dilute the concrete mix when building. It flows better so they do not have to do as much work. I had to fight constantly with my workers when building my house to keep the excess water out of my concrete, It made them angry. So why not add a little water to the vaccine? It is the way here. It is GETTING the vaccine that counts so you can proudly wear that little sticker; it makes no difference whether it works. You can't see that. Same with paint. More thinner than actual paint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Visa Member 999999 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 This has been proposed in the scientific literature over and over so I'm not sure why people are making it out to be some crazy idea. The Thai govt last month said they were testing this so it really shouldn't be a surprise. It sounds more like people who don't understand science are mouthing off in a knee-jerk reaction. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It may well trigger and show similar results to intramuscular but how long it lasts was never tested very dangerous road to take 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guderian Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Why not just let patients lick a drop of vaccine off a doctor's finger, that would stretch it even further, and think of all the money saved by doing away with syringes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaopad999 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Well, we all know where they will be administering the vaccine if anyone turns around to them and says "You can stick your vaccine where the sun don't shine" Edited September 21, 2021 by Kaopad999 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeijoshinCool Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 . Nothing like a shortage in something to increase demand....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaopad999 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Keesters said: It could also depend on whether you got the vaccine or a placebo. All of my friends that have had the vaccine here said they didn't experience any side effects or pain after the vaccine, which makes you wonder.. They were also joking about this on the weekend saying that it was probably a placebo shot ???? Edited September 21, 2021 by Kaopad999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, pops1 said: I had my second dose of pfizer yesterday. At first I felt fine, a little headache but nothing too bad. Today I feel like I did 10 rounds with Tyson Fury. My body is aching all over. I feel like I got the mother of all flu. Had the shakes last night and couldn't sleep. I also had my second dose of Pfizer last Monday, same as 1st dose 3 weeks earlier, slight headache, sore injection site for a day and a half, a little lethargic, maybe your immune system is better than mine ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobydog Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said: Why are they always trying to cut corners,, just follow the scientific proven results... Or will the next faze be then let's water down the vaccine with saline to save money.... Unbelievable... Someting wrong with Lemon Tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxx Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I'd assumed that the legislation granting immunity from prosecution for those behind the vaccination decisions was to cover the disastrous procurement process. Now I realise it was also to cover the disastrous decisions, not backed by science, that they were going to make going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stigar Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, tso310 said: Amazing Thailand ! Yup...same story they told media the brit guy get rid of covid after he been drinking many days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Thailand has turned to unconventional approaches due to problems in supplies, Glue sniffing springs to mind. Maybe just open a vial then get 15 or more hopefuls to give a good long sniff at it until it has all vaporized . Worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak sa_ngop Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 There is a report from Leiden University in the Netherlands which supports this idea of administering vaccines under the skin. You dont think Thailand thought of it first do you? Google it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebell Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, smedly said: Mr Anutin - do you dilute concrete mix when building ??????? Of course he does, especially on jobs for dirty foreigners. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MadMac Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 Quote "One vaccine dose can be used for five intradermal injections," Chalermpong told Reuters. It is called homeopathy ???? ???? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbkk Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 So, it's not even being called a trial? Can you opt out of the '20% of a dose' experiment? Is this national policy? Do you need to ask Somchai which way he is going to stab you? Are the Thailand FDA aware of this development or is it news to them again just like the Sinopharm to kids <18yrs unapproved vaccines? Would whoever gave this the green light allow their parents to be a vaccine dosage guinea pig? Will you get the same vaccine certificate? Is the 20% of a dose acceptible internationally for travel? <<Insert your question here>>....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat60 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 12 hours ago, worgeordie said: Next it will be just giving people a look at a vial .....job done. I received my Astrazeneca jab a few weeks ago , i was expecting some kind of reaction , nothing at all, I did not even feel the needle go in, no mark on my arm, I am wondering if it even happened ,???????? Authorities have also decided to administer separate shots of Sinovac's vaccine followed by that of AstraZeneca, a technique yet to be adopted elsewhere. ... trial and error ???? regards worgeordie I don't care if they gave or pretended, so long as I have my papers to say I've had 2 shots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Rex Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It may not be such a crazy idea. Due to the reduced vascularity (blood supply) of the subcutaneous tissue compared to that of the muscle - the vaccine is likely to remain ‘on site’ for a longer period - giving the immune system a better look at it - and hence mount a good immune response. The downside is that subcutaneous injections hurt more than intramuscular injections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chongalulu Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 It’s the untried implementation of these ill thought out protocols and the mindset behind it that leads to the country going onto Red lists - and staying there (UK) . No confidence or trust by others of Thailand’s vaccination program. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post macnmotion Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, rak sa_ngop said: There is a report from Leiden University in the Netherlands which supports this idea of administering vaccines under the skin. You dont think Thailand thought of it first do you? Google it 2 hours ago, Thai Visa Member 999999 said: This has been proposed in the scientific literature over and over so I'm not sure why people are making it out to be some crazy idea. The Thai govt last month said they were testing this so it really shouldn't be a surprise. It sounds more like people who don't understand science are mouthing off in a knee-jerk reaction. The fact that under-skin vaccinations for rabies is effective has no bearing on whether or not it will be effective with any of the various COVID-19 vaccines. As one poster mentioned, a (very) small Leiden University study (not really a study, more like initial tests) has indicated that a 1/10-1/5 dose under the skin produced antibodies in similar amounts to having previously had a COVID infection (although I haven't seen any indication of how long after an infection they are comparing the antibody levels to), and their tests were performed with Moderna which isn't being used here. Leiden University has yet to do a full large-scale study and is in fact crowdsourcing funding to help pay for such a study (a fact in itself which gives me pause). Their work has neither been published nor peer reviewed. I have to wonder which vaccine is being considered for this type of use in Thailand. In my opinion, the knee jerk reaction is not being displayed by those of us questioning this tactic, but by those considering its widespread use without scientific data to back it up. Edited September 21, 2021 by macnmotion 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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