Whats happened on this forum ?

[ThLT]

4 hours ago, Black Ops said:

A simple topic where someone asks for advice or whatever and responses are mostly ridicule, insulting, accusing the OP of lying, is saying "x", is not sayingyx", has a hidden agenda,, or is being paid to post, and more.

Trump and conspiracy theorists happened.

[ArcticFox]

Post and Ghost kid.  Don't worry about the others.  Use your "Ignore" list to maximum effect. 

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Lots of little cliques who tend to jump on anyone who opposes their views in what they perceive to be “their” thread. 

Add a few new starts trying to mark their territory and be accepted into the “mutual like” club 

 

Mix that in with people whose whole life seems to be reliant on finding negative outcomes and willing to dissect every piece of information until they eventually find something. 
 

Seems to be less accepted to have some banter and even seen posts removed due to sarcasm. 
 

Throw in the previous post re bored old pensioners etc and there you are. 
 

Just my opinion of course, and nothing particularly new, just more obvious with the reduction in posters since the transition. 
 

The OP has my sympathy. Can’t be easy returning nowadays. 

It still kills time and better than TV. ………television that is not Thai Visa.!

 

 

 

There ya go. 

There seems to be a rather homogenous connection from other similarly themed forums [and there are quite a few] that fodder  a downturn in this type of particular venue. And not one is any different than the next. In house policies will certainly differ, but the the membership and contributing posters is pretty much a kinship of character resemblance - dominant by cycling negativity and nastiness. And it's always been of this nature. It is what it is.

[Andre0720]

I would think that Anthony Robbins was quite right when he realized that some people understand a situation by what is similar in their mind, and that other people understand a situation by what is different in their mind.

He gives an example: you throw a bunch of coins on a table, and ask, 'what do you see. Some people will answer, 'all coins', and others will answer 'all different coins'.

So when one describes a situation, and get a response suggesting that what is written was incorrect, (by some 1 or 2% perhaps'). While others will simply see that what was written was correct to a level of some 98% or so.

The reaction of a poster in such situations will be quite different. From annoying to satisfying.

Ans so many posters here are experts at finding the damn 1% that is incorrect in their mind about so many posts. And it seems like it is all they have to do. Annoying yes.

No longer social discussions here. The anonymity allows for responses that are less than cordial... Like forgetting that people have feelings too....

 

[OneMoreFarang]

I think the Farang Pub didn't change much.

It is the pub and not general questions, so some not so serious answers should be expected.

The moderators make sure users have to behave, or else...

Personally I think it depends a lot on the questions. If someone asks something like: "I met this beautiful girl online last week and she loves me and now she asks me to help her because her buffalo/mother/brother/whatever is sick" then don't be surprised to get special answers. And "my one is different" is no excuse.

[zzaa09]

10 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

I would think that Anthony Robbins was quite right when he realized that some people understand a situation by what is similar in their mind, and that other people understand a situation by what is different in their mind.

He gives an example: you throw a bunch of coins on a table, and ask, 'what do you see. Some people will answer, 'all coins', and others will answer 'all different coins'.

So when one describes a situation, and get a response suggesting that what is written was incorrect, (by some 1 or 2% perhaps'). While others will simply see that what was written was correct to a level of some 98% or so.

The reaction of a poster in such situations will be quite different. From annoying to satisfying.

Ans so many posters here are experts at finding the damn 1% that is incorrect in their mind about so many posts. And it seems like it is all they have to do. Annoying yes.

No longer social discussions here. The anonymity allows for responses that are less than cordial... Like forgetting that people have feelings too....

 

Yep. And all very "special" Western traits, for the larger part.

I supposed dots cannot be connected when we can't find the dots to connect.

[sipi]

I'd like to nominate Bert for POTY.

That should liven things up.

[StreetCowboy]

53 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

There ya go. 

There seems to be a rather homogenous connection from other similarly themed forums [and there are quite a few] that fodder  a downturn in this type of particular venue. And not one is any different than the next. In house policies will certainly differ, but the the membership and contributing posters is pretty much a kinship of character resemblance - dominant by cycling negativity and nastiness. And it's always been of this nature. It is what it is.

That's a pretty harsh accusation.  I think the cycling forum is one of the better; supportive, encouraging, tolerant and helpful.

[rott]

2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

It'll all change once the bars are open again and we have something better to do than sit in front of a computer.

Alternatively come home after a drink or 3 and react irrationally to something even more irrational.

Not me of course. 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, tubby johnson said:

It has been like that since day one.  Full of bitter trolls and bored pensioners.

When I joined way back in 2003 most posters were nice guys. You could discuss a topic, agree to disagree and that would be the end of it.

 

IMO the forum has been going downhill slowly for quite a while, probably before the current owners bought it, but over the last several years many of the "decent" posters have moved to other sites as they are fed up with with the bickering, arguing, insults etc. 

 

I am finding it hard to find posts that are sensible and I am interested in. Bad Jokes is OK, the visa information is very useful and helpful and a couple of other forums are readable. Some posts are full of pompous posters who always know more than you, the grammar nasties are still lurking in dark corners waiting to correct every mistake.

[Orac]

1 hour ago, Johnny Mac said:

I didn't think anyone on here went to bars??

Of course we do - we are just not  allowed to talk about it….

Edited September 21, 2021 by Orac

[rott]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think the Farang Pub didn't change much.

It is the pub and not general questions, so some not so serious answers should be expected.

The moderators make sure users have to behave, or else...

Personally I think it depends a lot on the questions. If someone asks something like: "I met this beautiful girl online last week and she loves me and now she asks me to help her because her buffalo/mother/brother/whatever is sick" then don't be surprised to get special answers. And "my one is different" is no excuse.

My one told me she wasn't like all the other ladies in Pattaya. She was right she was worse. 

[rott]

29 minutes ago, billd766 said:

the grammar nasties are still lurking in dark corners waiting to correct every mistake.

That's not fair I'm only trying to help. Perhaps it will be 2021 when I make Grammar Nazi of the Year. 

[Rampant Rabbit]

4 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I try to be a keyboard warrior but there's always someone better and I end up with a holiday. ????

does that include 3 pcr's  though?

[Rampant Rabbit]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think the Farang Pub didn't change much.

It is the pub and not general questions, so some not so serious answers should be expected.

The moderators make sure users have to behave, or else...

Personally I think it depends a lot on the questions. If someone asks something like: "I met this beautiful girl online last week and she loves me and now she asks me to help her because her buffalo/mother/brother/whatever is sick" then don't be surprised to get special answers. And "my one is different" is no excuse.

But mine is 

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

When I joined way back in 2003 most posters were nice guys. You could discuss a topic, agree to disagree and that would be the end of it.

 

IMO the forum has been going downhill slowly for quite a while, probably before the current owners bought it, but over the last several years many of the "decent" posters have moved to other sites as they are fed up with with the bickering, arguing, insults etc. 

 

I am finding it hard to find posts that are sensible and I am interested in. Bad Jokes is OK, the visa information is very useful and helpful and a couple of other forums are readable. Some posts are full of pompous posters who always know more than you, the grammar nasties are still lurking in dark corners waiting to correct every mistake.

One particular item that has remained steadfast from years gone by - the incessant and ignorant-based Chinese/Thai/Asian bashing. Appears to be the dominant and forlong character among the numerous oddities of members. 

[BangkokReady]

3 hours ago, Andre0720 said:

some people understand a situation by what is similar in their mind, and that other people understand a situation by what is different in their mind

Very true.  Often someone replies to another person and after a brief exchange you can see that most of their disquiet comes from the fact that they assume the OP has the same weird quirks or motivations as them.  Often people, good or bad, assume people see the world in the same way as they do, and this comes across in how they react to other people's comments.

[BangkokReady]

46 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

One particular item that has remained steadfast from years gone by - the incessant and ignorant-based Chinese/Thai/Asian bashing. Appears to be the dominant and forlong character among the numerous oddities of members. 

Which, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the petty and exhausting Thai apologists, gatekeepers and "I'm more Thai than you" types.

[BostonRob2]

3 hours ago, sipi said:

I'd like to nominate Bert for POTY.

That should liven things up.

Interesting that the last two POTY (I believe) have migrated to another place. The one who claimed to be a woman is particularly vocal there.

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, ThLT said:

Trump and conspiracy theorists happened.

There's way more animosity online from left-wing nutjobs.  They're more numerous, more persistent and far more tolerated/enabled by various platforms.

[rott]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

One particular item that has remained steadfast from years gone by - the incessant and ignorant-based Chinese/Thai/Asian bashing. Appears to be the dominant and forlong character among the numerous oddities of members. 

Not sure what "forlong" means, but as regards attitudes to Chinese if you have not had much contact with them you are lucky. 

They can be very wearing and very hard work. The hi-so well bred types not so much, but lower down the scale it's as well they spend most of their time being shepherded about amongst their own kind. 

[Tanomazu]

So you've been around for a long time but only 200 posts? I don't know, seems a bit doubtful to me.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

does that include 3 pcr's  though?

 What has denaturation, annealing and extension got to do with it.

[StreetCowboy]

52 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

There's way more animosity online from left-wing nutjobs.  They're more numerous, more persistent and far more tolerated/enabled by various platforms.

Why do you call them nutjobs?

 

Your post would have been just as clear without being abusive, but by being abusive, you render yourself opinionated and distrustworthy.  Ignorant abuse portrays yourself as ignorant, and says nothing about those you abuse, so if you want to abuse someone, you need to refrain from anything that could be construed or misconstrued as ignorant abuse.

 

You are lucky to be posting on a helpful and constructive forum, where you get the benefit of advice like this, instead of some other places, where people are confrontational.

[The Cipher]

9 hours ago, Black Ops said:

A simple topic where someone asks for advice or whatever and responses are mostly ridicule, insulting, accusing the OP of lying, is saying "x", is not sayingyx", has a hidden agenda,, or is being paid to post, and more.

 

The autopsy of every word or looking for hidden meaning is just bizarre

What happened here and why is everything seemingly totally over analyzed and disected like that ?

My hypothesis is that this board, in general, is a refuge for older people who increasingly feel out of touch with Thailand and the wider world, but nevertheless are sensitive that they've lost standing in each of them.

 

And so it's easy to go onto the internet to vent, or be belittling or petty, because just for that instant it restores a sense of status that otherwise felt lost. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

Edited September 21, 2021 by The Cipher
Edited to un-bold words that had randomly bolded themselves.

[BangkokReady]

16 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Why do you call them nutjobs?

It means crazy.  It's a term used to differentiate between sane and insane people.

 

16 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Your post would have been just as clear without being abusive

My post wasn't abusive.

 

16 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

by being abusive, you render yourself opinionated and distrustworthy.  Ignorant abuse portrays yourself as ignorant, and says nothing about those you abuse, so if you want to abuse someone, you need to refrain from anything that could be construed or misconstrued as ignorant abuse.

Your opinion, which I disagree with.

 

[ozimoron]

What has gone "wrong" is the rise of the politically motivated and toxic culture of conspiracy theories and really egregious lies accompanied by a demand for equal time just because they are "alternative opinions". More and more often they are being deplatformed on social media and are desperately seeking and audience in forums like this. Fortunately the moderators do tend to quell the worst outbreaks and that is leading to push back in the form of topics like this one.

 

The "other forum" referenced earlier is just a dwindling handful of people with extremist and outright racist views who have found sympathetic admins who allow them a voice. That forum is a mere shadow of its former self as a result. Keep up the good work admins.

Edited September 21, 2021 by ozimoron

[Kinnock]

I joined in 2008, and I think it was worse then?

 

Although one subject in particular still seems to bring out the nasty comments: Thai wives and girlfriends - which is odd, as that's what keeps many of us in Thailand.

 

If anyone dares post about a happy relationship, the tired old cliches about 'brothers' who are really boyfriends, accusations about sexpats and gold-diggers or suggestions about the wife being a ladyboy, are posted with monotonous regularity.   It's like a reflex reaction for some posters.

[ozimoron]

28 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

I joined in 2008, and I think it was worse then?

 

Although one subject in particular still seems to bring out the nasty comments: Thai wives and girlfriends - which is odd, as that's what keeps many of us in Thailand.

 

If anyone dares post about a happy relationship, the tired old cliches about 'brothers' who are really boyfriends, accusations about sexpats and gold-diggers or suggestions about the wife being a ladyboy, are posted with monotonous regularity.   It's like a reflex reaction for some posters.

I should have mentioned a large contingent of misogynists also find a soap box on these forums.

[mahtin]

10 hours ago, Antonymous said:

I have seen this unnamed 'other forum' mentioned half a dozen times by different members now.

 

Which forum is it? This is a genuine question. Surely it isn't something top secret. There is still SOME free speech allowed on TV/aseannow. Please name it.

Possibly thaiger. No contest really.