OP-ED: England’s unfriendly travel regulations

[snoop1130]

 

It seems unbelievable that England has put in place a discriminatory policy that refuses to accept COVID-19 jabs given in countries in Latin American, Africa and South and Southeast Asia. The government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson is showing its dark side by recognising only shots given in a select group of countries. 

 

According to the new rules, anybody visiting England must be fully inoculated with Astra Zeneca, Pfizer, Moderna or Janssen vaccines. These must, however, have been administrated in the US, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea or an EU member country for the recipient to be considered to be fully vaccinated and exempt from quarantine.

 

Problem is that, those vaccinated with the same brands in Africa, Latin America or, say, in India, to name but a few, will not be considered fully vaccinated and must enter quarantine for 10 days. The new policy is affecting hundreds of Thai families, whose children are going to study in England’s schools and universities. They have to undergo 10 days of quarantine, even though they have been fully vaccinated. Thailand signed an agreement to produce the AstraZeneca vaccine under license last October and has been using it to inoculate its population since early June. As of September 13th, a total of 19.5 million doses of AstraZeneca have been administrated in Thailand.

 

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[cyril sneer]

it's a disgrace when you see certain countries taken off the red list in comparison to Thailand

 

mostly for political reasons rather than numbers

[Neilly]

11 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

certain countries taken off the red list in comparison to Thailand

I think I read somewhere that it had something to do with the lack of clarity of Thailand's figures ????...surely not ????

[Cherrytreeview]

Think it shows UK doesn't believe a word that Thailand says and how genuine their vaccine certificates are?

Maybe I'm missing something, as a UK citizen do i have to do  quarantine when i arrive in Thailand?

Is there other hoops to jump through when entering Thailand?

Thought so.

 

 

[Tropicalevo]

45 minutes ago, Neilly said:

I think I read somewhere that it had something to do with the lack of clarity of Thailand's figures ????...surely not ????

It is not only the lack of 'clarity' of the numbers, but also the watering down of the vaccinations.

Thailand cannot be trusted to give the recommended doses of the recommended vaccines.

Then there is the issue of the Thai AZ vaccine. Same formula but they have changed one (or two?) of the ingredients.

Thailand - hub of fakes. (Watches, handbags, T shirts and ?vaccines?)

[Tropicalevo]

"mostly for political reasons rather than numbers "

 

You could always sign this petition.

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/594456

Edited September 28, 2021 by Tropicalevo

[mark131v]

I am afraid that's what happens when you are proven liars and shysters

 

I believe some of the neighbours refer to the kingdom as Lieland and that tells you all you need to know about why nations are sceptical of the numbers and vaccination data 

 

In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz...

 

[daveAustin]

Unfriendly? And Thailand’s regs, AND ongoing prejudice toward foreigners in general? In today’s overly prissy climate, UK would not dare to do such a thing based on someone’s race, gender, sexual persuasion etc etc. This is all competency level of certain governments. Look to your ‘leaders’, get over it and get your S together. 

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, Tropicalevo said:

It is not only the lack of 'clarity' of the numbers, but also the watering down of the vaccinations.

Thailand cannot be trusted to give the recommended doses of the recommended vaccines.

Then there is the issue of the Thai AZ vaccine. Same formula but they have changed one (or two?) of the ingredients.

Thailand - hub of fakes. (Watches, handbags, T shirts and ?vaccines?)

Do you have a source for your claim that there are other ingredients used?

 

According to the AZ statement:

Q: Can I travel with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca that has been manufactured in Thailand?

A: COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca that is made in Thailand is of the same quality as AstraZeneca's vaccine made in Europe, Korea, Japan, Australia, and elsewhere

 

https://www.astrazeneca.com/country-sites/thailand/press-release/travelling-with-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-made-in-thailand.html

[mark131v]

2 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Do you have a source for your claim that there are other ingredients used?

 

According to the AZ statement:

Q: Can I travel with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca that has been manufactured in Thailand?

A: COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca that is made in Thailand is of the same quality as AstraZeneca's vaccine made in Europe, Korea, Japan, Australia, and elsewhere

 

https://www.astrazeneca.com/country-sites/thailand/press-release/travelling-with-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-made-in-thailand.html

I don't think it is anything to do with AZ vaccine per se I think it has much more to do with honesty and clarity both of which are on the endangered list where Thailand is concerned...

[smedly]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

It seems unbelievable that England has put in place a discriminatory policy that refuses to accept COVID-19 jabs given in countries in Latin American, Africa and South and Southeast Asia.

no they haven't - these countries including Thailand are on red list, until that changes then it matters not a jot, until Thailand status changes then it doesn't matter what vaccine you have or where you got it  

[tomacht8]

15 minutes ago, mark131v said:

I don't think it is anything to do with AZ vaccine per se I think it has much more to do with honesty and clarity both of which are on the endangered list where Thailand is concerned...

Clear. If Thai officials stupidly declare that they did not intend to inject full doses or in other unapproved areas of the body is one thing.

 

But the claim that other ingredients are used by AZ Thailand is a damaging claim.

 

I am currently fighting with the EU authorities for the EU-wide recognition of the AZ vaccine made in Thailand.

[smedly]

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Clear. If Thai officials stupidly declare that they did not intend to inject full doses or in other unapproved areas of the body is one thing.

 

But the claim that other ingredients are used by AZ Thailand is a damaging claim.

 

I am currently fighting with the EU authorities for the EU-wide recognition of the AZ vaccine made in Thailand.

Good luck with that and totally understand 

 

but it is not about the vaccine or where you got it - well at least in the UK

 

If you came to Thailand fully vaccinated in the UK and went home now - it doesn't matter that you got your vaccine in the UK - you still have to quarantine

[Soikhaonoiken]

The World is watching, and know that Thailand cuts corners on many issues, including medical, and renowned for fudging figure's 

Thailand is complaining that people have to quarantine if travelling from Thailand to the UK,  But, wait a minute as of today, Thailand expects all travellers visiting Thailand to quarantine for 15 nights no matter what there vaccination status is... 

You can't have it all your ways, so get real Thailand.... 

[The Hammer2021]

4 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Think it shows UK doesn't believe a word that Thailand says and how genuine their vaccine certificates are?

Maybe I'm missing something, as a UK citizen do i have to do  quarantine when i arrive in Thailand?

Is there other hoops to jump through when entering Thailand?

Thought so.

 

 

Because the UK has one of the worst death and infection rates in the world but arrivals from the UK who are fully vaccinated do not need to do hotel or self quarantine..

[hotchilli]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

It seems unbelievable that England has put in place a discriminatory policy that refuses to accept COVID-19 jabs given in countries

And equally unbelievable the red tape and quarantine regulations that Thailand imposes on fully vaccinated and tested tourists trying to enter Thailand.

Som nam na.

[actonion]

South East Asia, Latin America, Africa,  most of the countries there  have dodgy Governments and fake goods its no wonder they're not trusted...

[pagallim]

5 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Because the UK has one of the worst death and infection rates in the world but arrivals from the UK who are fully vaccinated do not need to do hotel or self quarantine..

UK citizens or permanent residents (along with anybody else) arriving in the UK from a country on the 'Red List' are required to hotel quarantine regardless of their vaccination status.   Hence those from the UK currently doing the Phuket Sandbox (having been fully vaccinated in the UK) will have to hotel quarantine on their return.

[cyril sneer]

10 hours ago, Neilly said:

I think I read somewhere that it had something to do with the lack of clarity of Thailand's figures ????...surely not ????

China hides their figures and has so far been rewarded for it, maybe Thailand should go the same 

[Kinnock]

10 hours ago, Neilly said:

I think I read somewhere that it had something to do with the lack of clarity of Thailand's figures ????...surely not ????

..... and all the other countries on the approved list have perfect systems??

 

 

 

[BKKBike09]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The new policy is affecting hundreds of Thai families, whose children are going to study in England’s schools and universities. They have to undergo 10 days of quarantine, even though they have been fully vaccinated.

School / Uni terms started weeks ago, so no-one traveling now is going back to study, unless they've bunked off for the first 4 weeks.

 

Plus, prior to going on Red List, kids from Thailand under 18 didn't even have to self-isolate if they could claim to be residing in UK (which would be the case if in full-time education). Plus if they can afford private education in UK, then these families should be able to afford quarantine. It was obvious that Thailand was highly likely to go on red list and in fact amazing that it didn't go before it did.

 

I feel sorry for them, sure, and UK needs to re-visit its travel restrictions, but boy, so does Thailand.

 

 

[JonnyF]

Thais complaining about discriminatory practices based on nationality? ????

 

Maybe we could charge you 10x the price of British nationals for your PCR tests as well. You know, even if you work and pay tax in Britain for years, we'll just base it on your ethnicity when you show up at the venue.

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Aww, those poor, rich Thai kids not being able to get to England more easily to continue their privileged lifestyles. 

 

Truly heartbreaking. 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Aww, those poor, rich Thai kids not being able to get to England more easily to continue their privileged lifestyles. 

 

Truly heartbreaking. 

Fagging at Eton?

[Cherrytreeview]

6 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Because the UK has one of the worst death and infection rates in the world but arrivals from the UK who are fully vaccinated do not need to do hotel or self quarantine..

You need to educate yourself a bit.

UK -

- 1 million tests per day 

- 70% plus of the population fully vaccinated 

- society opened up, life as normal. 

- funded.development of AZ vaccine 

- donated FOC vaccines to third world countries (Thailand).

- one of the largest genome sequencing capabilities in the world.

 

Compare to the basket case of Thailand and what Thailand has done for it's own citizens or contributed in any way to the world medically, scientifically or charitably during this pandemic.

You also need to educate yourself about Thailand's entry requirements.

 

 

 

 

 

[bkk6060]

Britain unfriendly?  Wow, very hard to believe.

[Pedrogaz]

WE are indulging in a bit of solipsism here. This is aimed at India and Pakistan, not Thailand.

[Rinrada]

When is the Next UK government travel announcement?

Hope this is true...Following the update on Friday, September 17 that set out a wholesale update to the UK system by scrapping the traffic-light system, the next Update is expected to be around October 7 or 8.

The Transport secretary told the Transport Select Committee on September 22 that the travel-list reviews would keep to the same Three-weekly timetable as before.....

 

[meechai]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

It seems unbelievable that England has put in place a discriminatory policy that refuses to accept COVID-19 jabs given in countries in Latin American, Africa and South and Southeast Asia.

555 As opposed to Thailand?

Thailand  accepts no vaccinated tourists from anywhere without quarantine!

Talk about pot kettle black 555

Edited September 29, 2021 by meechai

[maxcorrigan]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

Britain unfriendly?  Wow, very hard to believe.

Only to native brits, floating in on a rubber boat are made more than welcome!  (sarc.)