Desperate Situation During Pandemic

[JaydenL]

2 minutes ago, Jack1988 said:

This covid extension will not be forever. There are too many farangs that are taking advantage from it 

According to Khaosod, there are "hundreds", and not "thousands" anymore utilizing it, this is what the immigration official stated, although I am not certain that this was just a statement made for public.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, JaydenL said:

I feel rather suicidal,

Call Samaritans and save on bandwidth.

 

1 hour ago, JaydenL said:

I think I could go home easily,

Now that's being more positive. Then you can work on getting the qualifications needed to enable your return to Thailand on a more stable, longer-term basis.

[BKKTRAVELER]

OP, take a deep breath.

 

First of all, you are on the right forum, there are many people here that can guide you. Listen to their advices, they are usually accurate.

 

You seem motivated and luckily for you, there are always opportunities here in Thailand to stay longer. Start by renewing your Covid Extension, don't wait, go for it on Monday. It'll give you time to plan ahead. By the end of the month, we'll know if they extend the Covid options for another 2 months. If they do, it'll give you more time and by then your future projects may be in place allowing you more options financially.

 

Do not feel depressed and let time pass by, that's a trap. Keep grinding and you'll find options eventually. Things will be much easier if you get proactive.

 

I wish you all the best and please keep in mind that there are no problems, only solutions. ????

 

 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, JaydenL said:

Thank you for your comment. Regarding the marriage visa, as far as I know, I have to season 400k baht in a bank account for a few months before I could be eligible for it? Is that correct?

No. There are agencies that can help with this. Even many immigration offices offer workaround solutions, for a fee. 

[Jerno]

Don't plan on getting vaccinated?  Are you stupid or glutton for stress and self punishment.  Youth doesn't protect you from Covid, vaccines do.  

[scorecard]

First point, grow up and get fully vaccinated.

 

You say you are in a relationship and building a family. Have some solid respect for your new close family and their extended family, get fully vaccinated.

 

It doesn't affect your sperm, it doesn't track your movements, the changes of any severe side effects is way way less than your chances of death on the Thai roads.  leave the carry on about personal freedom to trump and his idiots.

 

Get fully vaccinated, it's free.

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

OP, take a deep breath.

 

First of all, you are on the right forum, there are many people here that can guide you. Listen to their advices, they are usually accurate.

 

You seem motivated and luckily for you, there are always opportunities here in Thailand to stay longer. Start by renewing your Covid Extension, don't wait, go for it on Monday. It'll give you time to plan ahead. By the end of the month, we'll know if they extend the Covid options for another 2 months. If they do, it'll give you more time and by then your future projects may be in place allowing you more options financially.

 

Do not feel depressed and let time pass by, that's a trap. Keep grinding and you'll find options eventually. Things will be much easier if you get proactive.

 

I wish you all the best and please keep in mind that there are no problems, only solutions. ????

 

 

"Do not feel depressed and let time pass by, that's a trap. Keep grinding and you'll find options eventually. Things will be much easier if you get proactive."

 

Very wise indeed, modern life ain't easy, you want to build a nice family, there's always more documents / issues etc., that's life, just get on with it.

 

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, USEpat said:

You're young, you've got a family here, you're apparently healthy (so far), and you've got a Visa problem.  It's Thailand - there are always VIsa problems and always ways to fix them. 

 

Agree with the suggestion that you're up for one or two more COVID extensions. 

 

Agree with the fellow who suggests you get your credentials finished - it's silly not to have a degree and expect to be hired as a teacher.  Not being vaccinated is a limiting decision - where you go, what you do and puts your health at risk.  Why do that?

 

There's always the old, reliable marriage Visa................which means you have to marry the young woman.  Can't be that bad, eh? And removes all the stress with so many loose ends.

 

Tomorrow's another day.  Get a plan.  Make a list.  Take one step-at-a-time. Small steps are OK as long as their headed in a useful direction.

 

Good luck. 

You say you have a 'desperate situation'. 

 

Be realistic you don't have a desperate situation, just a normal situation for someone wanting to live in another country. And as explained here are options.

 

As already well advised, get qualified so you can provide well for your family (sure it takes time, but that's life).

 

And get vaccinated, respect your family.

[Caldera]

11 hours ago, JaydenL said:

I think if the land borders were open, I would have more options to leave and consider re-entering via land borders

I agree, but to be able to make use of this, you should seriously reconsider to get vaccinated. Without proof of full vaccination, you might well find that you either can't use the land borders once they reopen, or only if you quarantine at significant expense.

[thai006]

leave thailand . get vaccinated and get the proper visa

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, thai006 said:

leave thailand . get vaccinated and get the proper visa

Which visa would you suggest.

[avokadokikkeli]

thats everyones own personal choice, i think we should not even talk about this, have you got your hemorroid cream lately? same same, personal info, personal choice. ????

[ThLT]

Avoiding getting vaccinated is what is causing everything to not work. Get off those conspiracy theory websites. They are filled with false non-sense. You're doing this to yourself.

 

This isn't your own country. You have to follow the rules if you want to stay here. That's the reality of living in another country. 

There is no situation in the near future where you will be able to travel/go to an embassy outside Thailand without being vaccinated (unless you want to stay in expensive quarantaine hotels for a total of 3-4 weeks every time).

 

Like another member said, get vaccinated, get a proper visa, finish your degree, get a job in Thailand, find ways to support yourself and your partner. And start thinking.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by ThLT

[ThLT]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Which visa would you suggest.

If he would be vaccinated he could get a SETV and VE stamps at least, when borders will open. Or going back to his home country to get a METV, or a volunteer visa, or ED visa, or B visa...

Without getting vaccinated, he's:

 

1. Almost completely screwed, or...
2. Has to do 3-4 weeks of expensive quarantines every time he takes a single step out of Thailand (that is, if he has the money)

[audaciousnomad]

Hey man...relax for a minute. It's okay to be concerned about the future, but suicide (while it might end your mental pain) is not the right solution if you actually want an opportunity to see the future you are so concerned about.

Here's some positives to consider, so you realize things are not as bad as they seem:

1) You are young. Yes, 29 is young. You have plenty of time to "make things happen". They may not happen exactly they way or the speed you want the to...but you can make something happen.
2) You are healthy. Making something happen is 10X harder if you have poor health. Keep yourself healthy(physicall AND mentally), if you want to have full ability/strength for the path forward.
3) Someone cares about you. Maybe not in your home country, but you have the awareness that there is SOMEONE on this planet(aside from yourself) that would rather you are still alive then not around.
4) You have your wits and your intelligence, just not some of the "paperwork" society needs you to present to certify said intelligence.

All that said...creatures that freeze are creatures that die. Your ability to make decisions and see options is what will determine whether you survive. If you ever watch this show "I Shouldn't Be Alive", every survivor lived to tell the tale because despite facing their Waterloo, they never decided "oh well...there's no other way out of this." And they were MUCH WORSE situations than you. Look it up on Youtube. ????

Oh...and ignore those trolls/haters on these forums. They give all of us a hard time...it's their little game. Don't react...just keep executing your plan.

So...
1) Plan your next move (I believe that means applying for the covid extension immediately)
2) If your next move hits a wall, plan what your pivot will be. You must realize by now, life is one big improvisation. There will always be a "gotcha". Don't freeze up...keep thinking if this road ends, which detour will I take?
3) You need to see yourself as a hero who can make hard decisions and keep going, even if it appears not the preferred path. But eventually through sheer will and determination, you get there. For inspiration, remember how long and arduous Frodo's path was in the Lord of The Rings. ????
 

If your partner/family is worth fighting for...then you better live to fight for them. Heroes must risk, for without it there is no reward. It may mean getting vax'ed. It may mean you have to take the long path of getting a diploma or working in your home country to get enough money to "make it happen" when you come back here.  You must be open to all options. While it seems there's a lot of closed doors....there are equally as many open doors...if you would just consider them.

Good luck and Godspeed!

Edited November 14, 2021 by audaciousnomad

[daveAustin]

19 hours ago, tonray said:

You need to get rid of the conspiracy theory mindset about vaccines first. Become part of responsible society and again opportunities will open up. Unvaccinated people will not have the same opportunities...forget teaching in Thai schools, degree or not. I have had two shots and outside of the hoped for Covid immunity I'm not dead...get with the program

Yes I don’t get that either. Aside from not being allowed to do anything, you’ve got a greater chance of dying through covid than vaccine poisoning. Dear me. Avoid idiotic people/social media who say to the contrary, and use your logic skills. 

[avokadokikkeli]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Yes I don’t get that either. Aside from not being allowed to do anything, you’ve got a greater chance of dying through covid than vaccine poisoning. Dear me. Avoid idiotic people/social media who say to the contrary, and use your logic skills. 

over 99% chance to live, people under 50 and fit has bigger chance to face death on road here.

 

Read statistics from official sites, no need to go tinfoil road, just have common sense and not believe all horror from news and "experts".

 

Who's bred you eating, their songs you sing.

[zekelin]

I see some Schools can change to ED visa from tourist visa without leaving the country. I see some ad offering this for 28k.

[Adumbration]

On 11/13/2021 at 9:56 PM, JaydenL said:

I use my European PayPal account, not PayPal Thailand, as I never set up PayPal Thailand, just logging in from Thailand for a while. I'm wondering if I'll still be able to utilize my non-Thai PayPal as usual, or whether this would also affect non-Thai PayPal accounts if accessing from Thailand? Do you have any thoughts?

 

Thank you.

My thoughts.

 

PayPal forced me to open a Thai account after my Oz account was geo locked every time I tried to log in to it from Thailand.  I am amazed you can still access your Euro account.

 

You should go the ED visa route.  But the quoted 40k is ridiculously expensive.  Before I was 50 and eligible for the retirement visa I used to do annual ED visa for 25K (including actual thai lessons).  You also had the option to do the lessons online but I elected to go to class for the social interaction.  A mate of mine also used an agent to get 12 month ED visa (incountry) for 18K per year with no actual schooling attached.  But his passport was sent to Bangkok and stamped there.

 

Keep in mind that the ED visa does not have to be just for language.  There is a self defense program up in Chang Mai that is run by (Ex) Thai Military guys.  One of the guys goes along with you to immigration when you apply for your ED visa and it ALWAYS goes smoothly.

 

And finally, just get vaccinated.  Two shot of Pfizer.  They are and evil and morally bereft organisation.  But their Covid vaccine is good.

[scorecard]

23 hours ago, scorecard said:

You say you have a 'desperate situation'. 

 

Be realistic you don't have a desperate situation, just a normal situation for someone wanting to live in another country. And as explained here are options.

 

As already well advised, get qualified so you can provide well for your family (sure it takes time, but that's life).

 

And get vaccinated, respect your family.

I add to my third paragraph above;

 

I saw active service in the war in Vietnam, I returned to Australian with severe PTSD, panic, anxiety and long bouts of depression. I read the limited materials available at the time (this is decades before the internet) and I realized that there's no cure. Before long my wife asked for a divorce, she tried but she couldn't cope with my over the top talk and behaviors.

 

I decided that I had to take some action myself and the first item was to always keep myself busy.

 

I returned to university and started work in a very simple low responsibility job.

 

I studied education and human behavior (I graduated with 2 Bachelor Degrees).

 

I then missed the fact that study kept my mind occupied quite well, I went on and graduated with 2 masters degrees.

 

Then I continued and graduated from doctoral studies with a Ph.D. 

 

I had married again, had 1 son and I deliberately made him a strong focus, forcing myself when occasionally needed to be active, productive and to be a good dad.

 

Meanwhile my employer had noticed my devotion to my studies and to my work and I got promoted several times and then posted to a new regional position created to internally generate innovation and creativity (just what I needed to keep my mind busy, with responsibility).  I finished my main work career in a regional directorship in a major giant multi-national.

 

I still have anxiety and panic and bouts of depression. I know well it's not the end of the world and there's no cure. I now have a different (deliberate) focus, my 3 grandchildren, I make sure I spend time with all 3 kids every day, lots of 2 way discussion, lots of listening on my part, lots of sharing with them to keep their minds active, challenged and productive and to keep my mind active, positive and productive.

 

Win-Win in every direction. 

 

 

 

[scorecard]

On 11/14/2021 at 12:35 AM, JaydenL said:

You are right, thank you so much for your comments and being realistic in this situation. I just know that people previously used ED visas, which I don't mind, as I actually would love learning specific things, but currently it doesn't seem doable, at least without leaving the country first.

You just made an important observation; you realized that there's other, more solid reasons to get a visa and as you stated an ED visa is often used for unproductive reasons.

 

At the same time you're (perhaps unconsciously) building good focus for yourself.

 

Congratulations, well done. 

[vandeventer]

On 11/13/2021 at 8:59 PM, JaydenL said:

Thank you for your comment. Regarding the marriage visa, as far as I know, I have to season 400k baht in a bank account for a few months before I could be eligible for it? Is that correct?

If you are young there are no easy answers, but I know some westerns that have become Monks and they have no trouble with visa's. They are happy and enjoy there choice.

[RocketDog]

On 11/13/2021 at 9:56 PM, JaydenL said:

I use my European PayPal account, not PayPal Thailand, as I never set up PayPal Thailand, just logging in from Thailand for a while. I'm wondering if I'll still be able to utilize my non-Thai PayPal as usual, or whether this would also affect non-Thai PayPal accounts if accessing from Thailand? Do you have any thoughts?

 

Thank you.

If you need a foreign OP address just get a VPN. Then you can log in from many other countries.

Like @PRAVDA, I don't want to seem harsh. Reality and changing circumstances can destroy the best laid plans ; that's part of life. More than one person has had to admit that they don't have the resources, whatever those might be, to successfully navigate their dream. The truth is that some dreams are just unobtainable.

It seems to me you are short of necessary resources in too many areas to make your current dream work.

As others have said, marry the gal and take her home. Then work together to craft a new dream. It's a big world with lots of opportunities outside Thailand. Abandon your narrow focus on Thailand before it defeats your will to even dream.

Changing directions does not mean you've given up or been defeated.

Good luck.

[UKJASE]

call up a couple of schools and ask them what the current ED visa status is buddy

 

my school in hua hin would give you reliable information

 

they could also tell you info about the volunteer visa, if ED visa wasnt possible

 

DM if you need more info

 

stay strong mate ???? 

[ELLHNAS]

10 hours ago, Adumbration said:

My thoughts.

 

PayPal forced me to open a Thai account after my Oz account was geo locked every time I tried to log in to it from Thailand.  I am amazed you can still access your Euro account.

 

You should go the ED visa route.  But the quoted 40k is ridiculously expensive.  Before I was 50 and eligible for the retirement visa I used to do annual ED visa for 25K (including actual thai lessons).  You also had the option to do the lessons online but I elected to go to class for the social interaction.  A mate of mine also used an agent to get 12 month ED visa (incountry) for 18K per year with no actual schooling attached.  But his passport was sent to Bangkok and stamped there.

 

Keep in mind that the ED visa does not have to be just for language.  There is a self defense program up in Chang Mai that is run by (Ex) Thai Military guys.  One of the guys goes along with you to immigration when you apply for your ED visa and it ALWAYS goes smoothly.

 

And finally, just get vaccinated.  Two shot of Pfizer.  They are and evil and morally bereft organisation.  But their Covid vaccine is good.

Yes I am also surprised you can still access your European Paypal by being here. Your European Paypal will not be affected at all by the new regulations but in your case I would use a VPN to access the European Paypal. They might not have caught you yet but Paypal doesnt like usage of its services outside of the original registration country but you might get away if you are an occasional user.

[Pravda]

Just a word of caution. 

 

PayPal and really any payment service provider including sites like eBay and Amazon have a long list of VPN's they blacklisted/banned. Use one of them and you'll have your account permanently blocked. 

[Peterphuket]

1 hour ago, RocketDog said:

If you need a foreign OP address just get a VPN. Then you can log in from many other countries.

Like @PRAVDA, I don't want to seem harsh. Reality and changing circumstances can destroy the best laid plans ; that's part of life. More than one person has had to admit that they don't have the resources, whatever those might be, to successfully navigate their dream. The truth is that some dreams are just unobtainable.

It seems to me you are short of necessary resources in too many areas to make your current dream work.

As others have said, marry the gal and take her home. Then work together to craft a new dream. It's a big world with lots of opportunities outside Thailand. Abandon your narrow focus on Thailand before it defeats your will to even dream.

Changing directions does not mean you've given up or been defeated.

Good luck.

He don't have to spend money for a VPN, when he install Opera browser, it is included for free. You can switch it on and off.

Edit:

I just see the message from Pravda, and yes it is true

Edited November 15, 2021 by Peterphuket

[hereforgood]

1 minute ago, Peterphuket said:

He don't have to spend money for a VPN, when he install Opera browser, it is included for free. You can switch it on and off.

I use the Opera VPN for some site it works great for other sites it doesn't work at all but for free I can't really complain

[Russell17au]

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Can you show a source for this.... regarding reasons for covid extensions

 

I had one and the only reason I could get it was because I could not return to Australia because there were no flights because Australia had closed its borders to all international travellers both arriving and departing Australia at that time.

[DrJack54]

Just now, Russell17au said:

I had one and the only reason I could get it was because I could not return to Australia because there were no flights because Australia had closed its borders to all international travellers both arriving and departing Australia at that time.

Tick box 1 or 4. 

https://aseannow.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=727659 

 

Also what about UK folk and many others.

Been plenty of flights to UK, USA etc...

Those folk are obtaining covid extensions.

So now there are flights to Oz.

Can you obtain covid extension?

Answer YES.