Anutin: Pfizer Won't Give Paxlovid Formula to Thailand

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2 hours ago, Silencer said:

It will be easy enough to decipher the ingredients and some companies (with or without government knowledge) will offer a generic based on the Pfizer formula. Quality control standards might be less but the formula should be near exact. Pfizer will be busy suing these companies.

Apparently, you believe that Prizer is offering a medication that contains secret ingredients? Really? 

Is there a history of that sort of patent violations like occurring? I believe Thailand is a member of the WTO and the treaty rules out that sort of activity.

[GroveHillWanderer]

54 minutes ago, placnx said:

Pfizer is making arrangements to have Paxlovid available at concessionary prices in low and middle income countries:

"Under the licensing agreement, the United Nations-backed Medicines Patent Pool will work with other drugmakers to manufacture the pill for use in 95 countries, including in sub-Saharan Africa, Pfizer and the nonprofit said Tuesday."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-licenses-promising-covid-19-pill-to-u-n-backed-nonprofit-11637063101

 

Yes and this is about the fact that Thailand is not one of those 95 countries.

 

Medicines Patent Pool

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, WHansen said:

It's a program to help poor countries get access to the drug, Thailand did not qualify

 

I'll admit I quickly scanned the press on this and I expected this to be the reason. But it didn't come across that way.

 

From one article: "Pfizer will sub-licence production of its promising Paxlovid pill to generic drug manufacturers for supply in 95 low- and middle-income nations covering around 53 percent of the world's population." I thought that Thailand was a middle-income country.

 

Perhaps it's related to COVAX "criteria"?

 

Paxlovid treatment does, I think, also use a secondary (HIV) drug.

 

Pfizer has had a sub here since the late 1950's. They import a lot of drugs which they manufacture elsewhere. They may license the manufacture of other drugs to local Thai companies?

 

 

 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

From one article: "Pfizer will sub-licence production of its promising Paxlovid pill to generic drug manufacturers for supply in 95 low- and middle-income nations covering around 53 percent of the world's population." I thought that Thailand was a middle-income country.

That article is incorrect. The press release from Pfizer says it will sub-licence the drug to low and lower-middle income countries and as the TNA article linked to in the OP states, Thailand is classed as a higher-middle income country.

Edited November 18, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer

[steven100]

This hasn't been a good week for Anutin that's for sure ......      

[Pedrogaz]

Better to activate TRIPS and have GPO make it. This is exactly the type of situation trips was designed for. Alternatively wait for some Indian companies to make it and show you how. 

 

[ukrules]

35 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Thailand is classed as a higher-middle income country.

Then they use their riches to pay the going rate, the same as everyone else.

 

Or simply buy hardly any at all which is what I suspect will happen, buy it in the expensive private hospitals and nothing for the plebs.

 

[Chongalulu]

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Well Thailand could retaliate......don't tell Pfizer which herbs they are working on.

Oh they know what 'herbs' many are on,just by virtue of what comes out of their mouths! 

[Longwood50]

I suspect that Pfizer wants to safeguard its intellectual property and not have it fall into the hands of those who might use it to distribute a competing product.  Not that any country is Asia would ever steal intellectual property and counterfeit it. 

[Chris.B]

58 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That article is incorrect. The press release from Pfizer says it will sub-licence the drug to low and lower-middle income countries and as the TNA article linked to in the OP states, Thailand is classed as a higher-middle income country.

Thailand has a minimum wage of £7.11 a day and pay pensioners 500 baht a month. How can they be classed as a higher middle income country?

 

That's what happens when you go shopping for submarines and high-speed rail links. Everyone thinks you have money. ☹️☹️

[Emdog]

1 hour ago, Chris.B said:

Thailand has a minimum wage of £7.11 a day and pay pensioners 500 baht a month. How can they be classed as a higher middle income country?

 

That's what happens when you go shopping for submarines and high-speed rail links. Everyone thinks you have money. ☹️☹️

I wonder if they use average ("mean") income to classify countries... Enough obscene super rich could tilt the numbers to make it seem Thailand is better off than it is. Perhaps if they used median income, it might give better reflection of true economic state

[3NUMBAS]

fakes and snides ?????? undercutting ????

[BusyB]

5 hours ago, Stocky said:

Thailand isn't considered poor enough, but the government is working on it.

 

It goes to show you just how useless GDP is as a marker for a country's prosperity.

[bradiston]

9 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

I suggest you read up on the amount of Fake medications that are on sale Globally, and where they are Manufactured

Why don't you just post the links, if you have any?

Edited November 18, 2021 by bradiston

[edwinchester]

6 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Hearsay rubbish. Post a link to your claim which I bet you can't. Can't even name the drug.

It was Favipiravir. The Thai Patent Office denied the Japanese patent claim so the generic version could be manufactured in Thailand.

 

https://www.gabionline.net/generics/general/COVID-19-favipiravir-treatment-production-opens-up-in-Thailand

 

There is a good story in the Bangkok Post, 28th April this year, that gives the lead up to the goings on....not allowed to link to it.

Edited November 18, 2021 by edwinchester

[Chris.B]

19 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

It was Favipiravir. The Thai Patent Office denied the Japanese patent claim so the generic version could be manufactured in Thailand.

 

https://www.gabionline.net/generics/general/COVID-19-favipiravir-treatment-production-opens-up-in-Thailand

 

There is a good story in the Bangkok Post, 28th April this year, that gives the lead up to the goings on....not allowed to link to it.

Favipiravir is a generic drug already and they were denied a patent because they presented no new innovation.

 

 

[Gottfrid]

He said he accepted, but that was just a lie.

[Deli]

Only a fool would have thought that Pfizer would have done that.

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6 hours ago, Pierre57 said:

That's antiemetic ! 
Why are you commenting on something you haven't watched ?
Keep believing the drug companies are all good people  ..... I don't care 
If you want to remain ignorant ... up to you !

Pfizer accused of ‘bullying’ Latin America during vaccine negotiations (pharmaceutical-technology.com)

  List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia

GSK, Pfizer and J&J among the most-fined drug companies, according to study - Pharmaceutical Processing World

Pfizer drug breach ends in biggest US crime fine | Pfizer | The Guardian

Who has time to watch this class of videos. If they had evidence that would stand up to scrutiny, they would put it in writing. Which is a lot easier to fact check.

[Albert Zweistein]

11 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Hearsay rubbish. Post a link to your claim which I bet you can't. Can't even name the drug.

No it's not rubbish, I read the same thing some months ago but can't remember where.

[Soikhaonoiken]

Just buy the drug from Pfizer like all other Countries do, and stop trying to copy, and make profit out of the pandemic.... 

[Albert Zweistein]

He accepted Pfizer's decision. He has no choice, is the hub of all hubs still on the begging tour ?

[Andycoops]

Another slap in the face for the not properly vaccinated for foreign travel Uncle Nut.

He's on a winning streak at the moment.

[seedy]

20 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

I suggest you read up on the amount of Fake medications that are on sale Globally, and where they are Manufactured

I suggest you do some research on the Insane prices charged by Big Pharma for their products.

Diagnosed with Hep C in 2015. Started on Harvoni. One year later still infected.

June 2018 started on Vosevi and Rivavirin for 120 days. Can't remember which one of them it was, but cost $1000 per pill.

Treatment with Generic drugs from India - total $700 for the total course.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by seedy

[jonny on the spot]

19 hours ago, John Drake said:

For all those celebrating this news, note that as foreigners in Thailand, if and when you get this drug, it will be imported, taxed, and charged  to you at a price higher than what it would sell for in the West.  All to make Pfizer's stock price go higher.

Your wrong but even if you were right this bothers you why? Buy a vaccine or dont, nobody is forcing you.

[jacko45k]

20 hours ago, John Drake said:

For all those celebrating this news, note that as foreigners in Thailand, if and when you get this drug, it will be imported, taxed, and charged  to you at a price higher than what it would sell for in the West.  All to make Pfizer's stock price go higher.

Should I need it, since I have already received 2 Pfizer vaccines, not a satang of tax nor charge? 

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, seedy said:

I suggest you do some research on the Insane prices charged by Big Pharma for their products.

Diagnosed with Hep C in 2015. Started on Harvoni. One year later still infected.

June 2018 started on Vosevi and Rivavirin for 120 days. Can't remember which one of them it was, but cost $1000 per pill.

Treatment with Generic drugs from India - total $700 for the total course.

 

That's why many friends in the US head to Mexico to buy the medications they need in bulk and at a big savings.  Many of the drugs we need a script for in the US we do not need anywhere else and can buy over the counter at many pharmacies here in Thailand.  As a diabetic I pay just a little over what my co-pay would be for my medications in the states and get my same 90 day supply.  Insanity that they charge so much.

[stupidfarang]

20 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

Years of making poor quality copy medications and distributing them Globally could be one of the reasons for the Pfizer decision.

Can you please give a link or a source for your information on this? 

[edwinchester]

10 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Favipiravir is a generic drug already and they were denied a patent because they presented no new innovation.

 

 

There are several versions of Favipiravir protected by patent around the world. Thailand chose to deny the patent for the pill version which was the version they wanted to produce.

[MartinL]

13 hours ago, Oxx said:

"Those jew bastards are poisoning the world."

 

13 hours ago, Pierre57 said:

That's antiemetic ! 

Anti-Jewish posts!

Don't they just stop making you throw up!!