Not Boris Johnson, not the Tory Party, not the BBC, not CNN, not mass media.

Dr David Nabarro of the World Health Organisation.

 

 

Have a watch.

On 12/14/2021 at 3:33 PM, Oblomov said:

As well as that, the agenda driven BBC, now widely ridiculed and disbelieved where once it was widely admired, makes a sensation of anything and fails to add context - does anyone seriously believe that if almost anywhere did the volume of testing and sequencing that the western and northern European countries did, then they wouldn't find variants and high/increasing rates? 

 

One thing is for sure, if this omicron fatality had fit their aims and been younger or healthy or slim, then the BBC would be using this info - BBC needs to be impelled to add context to data and lurid headlines so that populations can make rational assessments of the news.  Those of us that have first hand knowledge of wards are aware of what the BBC consistently fails to report.

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

Every day the BBC delights in telling us how Covid cases are on the increase whilst putting the more salient point, i.e. deaths, at the bottom of the article.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59673150

 

Deaths have been steady for a while at around 150 a day - To put this into perspective and I've mentioned this before 600+ people a day die from Cancer.

 

I wouldn't care that much but I'm forced to pay to watch/listen to the  BBC !!

 

 

On 12/15/2021 at 12:43 AM, Kadilo said:

“Omicron cases were spreading overseas and Britain recorded a fatality caused by the new COVID-19”

 

Poorly worded and potentially misleading. 
 

As far as I am aware no one has yet reported the death was caused  by Omicron, only the person died with Omicron 
 

 

Yes that is what I was aware of the actual cause of the death is not given, only that they died with Omicron, and if as Dr Campbell explains SA data its looking very likely that we'll all be exposed to Omicron at some stage, then anyone who dies could possibly be called an omicron death, so far Omicron isn't causing serious illness in SA but were still waiting for the release of more official data to come, with good news hopefully, fingers crossed. 

17 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

Every day the BBC delights in telling us how Covid cases are on the increase whilst putting the more salient point, i.e. deaths, at the bottom of the article.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59673150

 

Deaths have been steady for a while at around 150 a day - To put this into perspective and I've mentioned this before 600+ people a day die from Cancer.

 

I wouldn't care that much but I'm forced to pay to watch/listen to the  BBC !!

 

 

Yes totally agree - cancer deaths will be on the increase soon with hundreds of thousands of  tests and screening appointments missed , of which many will be youngsters and young mothers who've missed breast screenings.

 

I think we all know how transmissible this virus is but as you say, it's the hospitalizations and deaths that should be the first data to be scrutinized and reacted upon and not so obsessively on new infections as that looks like it will ebb and flow for an eternity.

 

BBC still make a good drama but unfortunately their drama writers seem to write the news too.

 

Chelsea fan eh?  I wonder if you can hang on to Rudiger - I'm hoping Liverpool can hang on to Salah and that someone would get De Bruyne away from City : )   

78,600 cases today in the UK - this is the highest number EVER!

To say that Thailand  expects to record more Omicron cases in the middle of January will prove to be a gross understatement.

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29 minutes ago, Oblomov said:

it's the hospitalizations and deaths that should be the first data to be scrutinized and reacted upon

Yes - they are increasing in Europe to a point that is over health services capacity. Te numbers are so huge that the death rates are increasing too.

On top of those in hospitals (taking up beds that others need too), there are the numbers of working days lost and even medical staff lost.

800,000 deaths in the USA almost ALL were non -vaxxed people.

The tax situation is fast going to become untenable without a NEW vaccine.

People with 3 jabs are dying of covid too.

Because of public resistance and politicians prevarication, this wave is going to be far greater than anything we've experienced before.

 

2 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

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Yes - they are increasing in Europe to a point that is over health services capacity. Te numbers are so huge that the death rates are increasing too.

On top of those in hospitals (taking up beds that others need too), there are the numbers of working days lost and even medical staff lost.

800,000 deaths in the USA almost ALL were non -vaxxed people.

The tax situation is fast going to become untenable without a NEW vaccine.

People with 3 jabs are dying of covid too.

Because of public resistance and politicians prevarication, this wave is going to be far greater than anything we've experienced before.

 

Deaths remain relatively stable in UK but the true number will be when the lag from increased rates of infection kick in - agree with you about the bed blocking as UK had a huge backlog in screenings and treatments for the extremely serious conditions such as cancer etc., where these is a huge benefit from early diagnoses through tests and screening.

 

Looking at number in UK, it remains that an overwhelming majority of fatalities are those with myriad and complex serious pre-existing conditions and the aged. One would hope the 30 million boosters administered so far will lessen the impact in those groups.

 

I don't think the public here resist pragmatic protocols to attempt to lessen the transmission rate but many of us have to balance our livelihoods, educations of out young as well as health in other areas so there's a balance that is hard to find and nothing to do with wilful resistance.

 

We'll all know more by the middle of January nut of course these vaccines were never designed for this variant and we'll have a hell of a job keeping pace with variants. 

1 hour ago, Oblomov said:

you about the bed blocking as UK had a huge backlog in screenings and treatments for the extremely serious conditions such as cancer etc.,

UK NHS has been doing dramatic catch up on a lot of "queued" procedures - not all serious of course. I've had 3differentones done in the last 3 months - they were delayed because originally they were all booked within days of each other and had to bare-sceduled.

There of course has been shortage of medical workers from Doctors down to cleaners because of Brexit..

MY local hospital is working 7 days aweek on backlogs but they can't get enough staff from abroad to make up the teams in some departments.

thecpacity of NHS above normal is not that big, in Thailand they have beds but I very much doubt they will be able to organise them as they are not under one authority.

 

2 hours ago, Thunglom said:

UK NHS has been doing dramatic catch up on a lot of "queued" procedures - not all serious of course. I've had 3differentones done in the last 3 months - they were delayed because originally they were all booked within days of each other and had to bare-sceduled.

There of course has been shortage of medical workers from Doctors down to cleaners because of Brexit..

MY local hospital is working 7 days aweek on backlogs but they can't get enough staff from abroad to make up the teams in some departments.

thecpacity of NHS above normal is not that big, in Thailand they have beds but I very much doubt they will be able to organise them as they are not under one authority.

 

It obviously varies by area but the London trust I'm familiar with is somewhat disrupted but all of our experiences are different. 

 

I live between London, Bali amd Bangkok so have wildly different experiences of each, and always find Bangkok the best.

 

 

17 hours ago, possum1931 said:

One thing I would like to mention, I am only going to state what I have read during the time of this pandemic.

The Asian flu of 1957 had fatalities of about 2 million people world wide, at that time there was nowhere near the number of obese people the way it is today, don't know about smoking, but nowhere near the heavy drinkers and druggies there are today.

 

If back in 1957 there was the same amount of obese people, heavy drinkers and druggies there are today, how would things have fared back then? 

What if there were not the same obese people, heavy drinkers and druggies there are today?

would this pandemic have been anywhere near as bad as it is?

 

Anybody have any thoughts on this?

There was no social distancing, quarantines, or face masks in 1957. So, the virus spread very easily, although it was not as infectious as Covid. Also, no flu shots.

 

A very different situation than today.

4 hours ago, Oblomov said:

Yes totally agree - cancer deaths will be on the increase soon with hundreds of thousands of  tests and screening appointments missed , of which many will be youngsters and young mothers who've missed breast screenings.

 

I think we all know how transmissible this virus is but as you say, it's the hospitalizations and deaths that should be the first data to be scrutinized and reacted upon and not so obsessively on new infections as that looks like it will ebb and flow for an eternity.

 

BBC still make a good drama but unfortunately their drama writers seem to write the news too.

 

Chelsea fan eh?  I wonder if you can hang on to Rudiger - I'm hoping Liverpool can hang on to Salah and that someone would get De Bruyne away from City : )   

This is a classic Covid Denier talking point.

 

When new case numbers rise: “cases don’t matter, it’s hospitalizations and deaths that are important “.

 

When hospitalizations rise: “hospitalizations don’t matter, it’s only deaths that count”.

 

When deaths rise: “why didn’t the government do something about this early on?”

18 hours ago, malibukid said:

it could merge with Delta and the result would be a far more virulent strain that is highly transmissible.  this would be devastating 

Yes, and the sky could fall tomorrow, the atmosphere could disintegrate, and China could invade. 

Omicron is coming to Thailand and there is nothing anyone can do about it. They could delay it by locking down the borders for a year or so, but even then it would get in via illegal border crossings.

 

Of course, when the number of tests done per day in Thailand is lower than the number of cases per day in the UK, we'll probably never know bad it gets here.

 

Fortunately it has symptoms akin to a mild cold. Let's hope the official numbers keep falling and restrictions are sensible/minimal so we can all get on with our lives. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Fortunately it has symptoms akin to a mild cold. Let's hope the official numbers keep falling and restrictions are sensible/minimal so we can all get on with our lives. 

 

Really... I have heard of symptoms like a flu, somewhat worse than a mild cold, and there appears to be a number requiring hospitalization in S. Africa. You seem to know more than the WHO yet provide no sources. Not saying you are wrong, but not beneficial to spread rumour without basis.

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Really... I have heard of symptoms like a flu, somewhat worse than a mild cold, and there appears to be a number requiring hospitalization in S. Africa. You seem to know more than the WHO yet provide no sources. Not saying you are wrong, but not beneficial to spread rumour without basis.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/londoners-with-cold-symptoms-more-likely-to-have-covid-expert-omicron

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Really... I have heard of symptoms like a flu, somewhat worse than a mild cold, and there appears to be a number requiring hospitalization in S. Africa. You seem to know more than the WHO yet provide no sources. Not saying you are wrong, but not beneficial to spread rumour without basis.

The number of fatalities in South Africa now is 50+. The trend is not good, although the numbers are still relatively low.

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The number of fatalities in South Africa now is 50+. The trend is not good, although the numbers are still relatively low.

A one day spike? Big deal. Trend is down, massively down.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa/

 

19 hours ago, Pdavies99 said:

So you are a medical professional?

I believe most of the big news reporters publish only what they want us to hear and so often they purposely leave out vital details which change the actual event or story. Its a disgrace but you can thank governments and large organisations colluding to control and influence us, its no conspiracy as many believe, its done on purpose. 

9 hours ago, Oblomov said:

and always find Bangkok the best

at what?

 

On 12/15/2021 at 8:58 AM, Pdavies99 said:

So you are a medical professional?

does that make a difference?

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Really... I have heard of symptoms like a flu, somewhat worse than a mild cold, and there appears to be a number requiring hospitalization in S. Africa. You seem to know more than the WHO yet provide no sources. Not saying you are wrong, but not beneficial to spread rumour without basis.

this is Covid19 - SARS-CoV-2 (N.B.  - severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). 

14 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

Every day the BBC delights in telling us how Covid cases are on the increase whilst putting the more salient point, i.e. deaths, at the bottom of the article.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59673150

 

Deaths have been steady for a while at around 150 a day - To put this into perspective and I've mentioned this before 600+ people a day die from Cancer.

 

I wouldn't care that much but I'm forced to pay to watch/listen to the  BBC !!

 

 

...and the rather high rate [or average] of deaths associated with motor vehicles on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. 

5 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

this is Covid19 - SARS-CoV-2 (N.B.  - severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). 

And after two years, a steady 98.4 percentile might suggest that it's not terribly severe or acute. 

Yet, most are still buying what they're selling. 

 

Why is this?

2 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

And after two years, a steady 98.4 percentile might suggest that it's not terribly severe or acute. 

Yet, most are still buying what they're selling. 

 

Why is this?

I think that most people including yourself don't understand the difference between a SARS, Flu and a cold.

However they like to cover their ignorance in cynicism.

6 hours ago, paul1804 said:

its no conspiracy as many believe, its done on purpose. 

QED

17 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

its looking very likely that we'll all be exposed to Omicron at some stage, then anyone who dies could possibly be called an omicron death

Similarly, most of us have been suffering once or twice by common flu.  Then once we die, it should be called a flu death - (for almost all of us)...

1 hour ago, Saanim said:

common flu

What on earth is that? I suspect you have never had flu!

44 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

What on earth is that? I suspect you have never had flu!

Oh come on... Like, seriously? Most of ppl don't feel a big difference between cold and flu because there is not much a difference. I know that cold is not a virus etc, but damnit, we are not on a scientific conference about 17 differences between cold and flu for the ones who know. The point is that the "terrible Omicron virus" everyone talks about causes such "awful" things like sneezing, running nose, u name it.

 

Is it a good reason to be afraid of the fresh air, other people, etc? I'm not even talking about education for the kids, businesses etc,, i.e. the serious stuff ????

5 minutes ago, ViajeroLA said:

Most of ppl don't feel a big difference between cold and flu because there is not much a difference

there it is!! You obviously have no idea of the difference between a cold and flu.

 

and the UNBELIEVABLY you go on to say " I know that cold is not a virus " which is 100% wrong.

 

You clearly have absolutely no idea at all of what you are talking about.

(And that mens you have no idea either about Covid - even if you have had 3 jabs.)