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Omicron panic decimates Thai tourism "high season" - foreign tourists cancel, events scrapped, flights stopped, insurance woes


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Posted
13 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/in-focus/40010576

 

Don't know if old/new news but Bangkok governor closing bars/entertainment until mid January.

I lose track of whats official or unofficial.

Has it not been said that this is simply an extension of a currently existing order, rather than an immediate closure of venues currently allowed to be open?

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Posted
9 hours ago, candide said:

I am not medical doctor s o I may be wrong, but my layman assumption is that it may take time to produce enough antigens to be detected, as it is an antigen test.

Something along the lines of this but according to him it’s not just the antigens. It’s something to do with Omicron being that in the initial day or so after being infected, even a PCR would fail to detect? The full thread is here and an interesting guy to follow who appears to know his stuff?

 

 

Posted
46 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Has it not been said that this is simply an extension of a currently existing order, rather than an immediate closure of venues currently allowed to be open?

It's quite a different (not so stressful) life in the other Thailand, the other one than the usual tourists areas many falangs prefer to live in...

Posted
4 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Really? In case you didn't know, covid is a worldwide problem, and things are much worse in many other countries. Using covid as an excuse to bash Thailand? Shame on you!

Thailand reaps what it sows!

Posted
10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I guess this needs more explaining to you, try reading the full thread rather than trolling:

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you don't seem to understand that you are merely a one quote wonder who is failing to analyse the stats correctly.

Posted
14 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

you don't seem to understand that you are merely a one quote wonder who is failing to analyse the stats correctly.

Really feel free to make a correct analysis on both studies, looki g forward to reading it......

Posted
1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really feel free to make a correct analysis on both studies, looki g forward to reading it......

OK - your figures ae out of date - they change every day - you are concentrating on South Africa as if that is the only place to look at.

In UK yeaterday

Highest deaths since March, admissions to hospitals up 90% and daily infections risen from 40k lat month to 189,000 yesterday.

conclusion the R factor is so high that it is likely to put a strain on any health system.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

OK - your figures ae out of date - they change every day - you are concentrating on South Africa as if that is the only place to look at.

In UK yeaterday

Highest deaths since March, admissions to hospitals up 90% and daily infections risen from 40k lat month to 189,000 yesterday.

conclusion the R factor is so high that it is likely to put a strain on any health system.

You missed the study from the UK  SAGE that i posted and commented on then. 

 

Keep up

Posted
1 hour ago, Thunglom said:

OK - your figures ae out of date - they change every day - you are concentrating on South Africa as if that is the only place to look at.

In UK yeaterday

Highest deaths since March, admissions to hospitals up 90% and daily infections risen from 40k lat month to 189,000 yesterday.

conclusion the R factor is so high that it is likely to put a strain on any health system.

You say "Highest deaths since March"

 

Not true. Always check the details. On 30th Dec they included a lot of unrecorded deaths for the period 24th-30th Dec. In fact: 

 

'Between 24 December 2021 and 30 December 2021, there have been 701 deaths within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test. This shows a decrease of -10.6% compared to the previous 7 days.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/easy_read

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Posted
2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You missed the study from the UK  SAGE that i posted and commented on then. 

 

Keep up

why do you keep calling your old figures "study"?

Posted
1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

You say "Highest deaths since March"

I don't say - BBC, Sky News and the Guardian quoting government figures say - get up to speed - the figures are going up still.

"The UK has reported its highest number of Covid deaths for seven months, as 223 were recorded within 28 days of a positive test for the virus.

The daily death rate, by date reported, has not been as high since 9 March and brought the weekly toll to 911, a near-15% rise on the week."

tWe are meant to be discussing Omiron in Thailand instead you are degrading the discussion be sealioning.

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Thunglom said:

I don't say - BBC, Sky News and the Guardian quoting government figures say - get up to speed - the figures are going up still.

"The UK has reported its highest number of Covid deaths for seven months, as 223 were recorded within 28 days of a positive test for the virus.

The daily death rate, by date reported, has not been as high since 9 March and brought the weekly toll to 911, a near-15% rise on the week."

tWe are meant to be discussing Omiron in Thailand instead you are degrading the discussion be sealioning.

 

The relevance here is on the global picture, and because the UK is ahead of he curve compared to most countries (including Thailand), it's useful to know the trend in the UK. The panic in Thailand (and other countries) over Omicron may not be justified. The decimation of tourism in Thailand may be made worse if misinformation is being dished out. 

Number of deaths in the UK is down week on week by 10%:

 

No signs of daily deaths rising

There were 332 deaths within 28 days of a positive test reported on Thursday, but that figure included a backlog of deaths in England that occurred over the Christmas period.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

 

A glimmer of hope for Thailand's crushed economy, fingers crossed. 

 

 

 

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Posted
On 12/29/2021 at 9:40 AM, candide said:

It's obvious that Omicron is less lethal than other variants. However, the curves you show should not be innacurately interpreted. Deaths never happen the day people are infected. There is usually a delay of one or two weeks before people actually die. So you cannot compare the number of infected people at one point of time with the number of deaths at the same.

The effect on deaths of the peak shown on the first figure cannot be assessed before at least 10 days.

Not only that, but even if (as seems likely) the death RATE is lower, the sheer number of infections threatens to cancel out that gain, with a corresponding number of carers off out sick as well ... quite apart from the potential effects on the rest of the economy, which in many countries is already short staffed.

Let's hope this is a hint of an easing of the threat in general but let's be cautious till it's proven. The other way round is simply stupid and potentially deadly.

Posted
On 12/29/2021 at 10:44 AM, geisha said:

 How shameful to see photos and reports all over the western news of queues of people spending all day in the sun waiting for food donations. And all that while in other news they want to start a Space program ? They better get their act together as otherwise they will see their tourist dollars going down the drain for a good couple of years. 

You are wrong to mock the Thai Space Program. In fact the prototype was launched just the other day. 

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=3088904598018225 

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Posted
8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Number of deaths in the UK is down week on week by 10%:

True, but the number of positive tests, in a week, exceeding a million, is nevertheless a concern, as is the hospital admissions rising 50% week on week too. While I remain positive that Omicron is the swan song of Covid, let us not throw people under the bus.

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Lastest data from England.  So cases are pretty much all "incidental"...... Covid is not the cause of nearly all hospitalisations........they are a secondary finding. 

 

".....The number of #Covid19 patients in critical care beds in England is down over the past week - 827 in 7 days to 28/12 vs 878 a week earlier......."

 

 

Omicron should be the beginning of the end for Covid-19 and is the start of the move to being Endemic.   Current day "Flu" is actually the weak mutations of 1918 Spanish Flu..........and in 2122 its highly likely their "flu" will be the weak mutations of 2020 Covid-19.  And so it will be again in 2222 when a new virus from around 2120 will have weakened down again............History repeats itself, that is one thing you can learn from history.

 

It looks like countries need to fully open now - get as much Omicron in as possible - spread it as fast as possible.  The quicker it spreads and everyone gets Omicron the less chance for a new dangerous mutant variant.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

he quicker it spreads and everyone gets Omicron the less chance for a new dangerous mutant variant.

Spreading is exactly how it multiplies and then mutates. Te more who catch it, the more chances it has of changing.

Posted
Just now, Thunglom said:

Spreading is exactly how it multiplies and then mutates.

 

8 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

History repeats itself, that is one thing you can learn from history.

if you ever learn from history, you know that is not the case.

Posted
2 hours ago, Oracle2022 said:

old and weak people die in Winter.

Currently the main people infected with Omicron are the younger age groups. It has not spread to the older over 60s in any numbers yet....wait for a week or two.

Posted
22 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

Spreading is exactly how it multiplies and then mutates. Te more who catch it, the more chances it has of changing.

It needs time and the right conditions to mutate.  Why do you think Spanish Flu in 1918 was done in 2 waves ?????

 

No lockdowns.......spread........burn itself out. All over.

 

This is now a 4th wave for Covid - so actually lockdowns are driving more mutations by keeping the virus hanging around. Giving it time to mutate.

 

If you take the very basic and of course, not politically correct, view that had Covid simply been allowed to spread and kill in 2020, its very possible it would all have been over by now......the weak would have perished and the human race would now be stronger.  This "weak" perish has happened many times over in the past many thousands of years.........and has proven effective in the survival of the human race.,

 

 

Posted
27 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

 

if you ever learn from history, you know that is not the case.

Depends on your timescale.  100 years, 1000 years......10,000 years.............   

Posted
41 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

It needs time and the right conditions to mutate.  Why do you think Spanish Flu in 1918 was done in 2 waves ?????

 

No lockdowns.......spread........burn itself out. All over.

 

This is now a 4th wave for Covid - so actually lockdowns are driving more mutations by keeping the virus hanging around. Giving it time to mutate.

 

If you take the very basic and of course, not politically correct, view that had Covid simply been allowed to spread and kill in 2020, its very possible it would all have been over by now......the weak would have perished and the human race would now be stronger.  This "weak" perish has happened many times over in the past many thousands of years.........and has proven effective in the survival of the human race.,

 

 

Another day, another series of posts by someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

Bashing the keyboard, giving us all the benefit of his ignorance.

The 1918 pandemic was officially a 3 wave pandemic.

Although some people think it was actually 4, with the fourth wave being the exit wave.

Some people, who actually know what they are talking about, hope this bodes well for this fourth covid wave.

The narrative of viruses always becoming weaker is a false one. I have heard many epidemiologists say that there biggest concern is a mutation as contagious as omicron but much more pathogenic.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

 

Feel free now to fill up these cyber pages with more of your "knowledge".

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Posted
1 hour ago, Oracle2022 said:

Lastest data from England.  So cases are pretty much all "incidental"...... Covid is not the cause of nearly all hospitalisations........they are a secondary finding. 

 

Simply not true, links already posted in this thread, incidental covid admissions are running at around 30% max

 

1 hour ago, Oracle2022 said:

It looks like countries need to fully open now - get as much Omicron in as possible - spread it as fast as possible.  The quicker it spreads and everyone gets Omicron the less chance for a new dangerous mutant variant.

No words aside from delusional 

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Oracle2022 said:

It needs time and the right conditions to mutate.  Why do you think Spanish Flu in 1918 was done in 2 waves ?????

There were 3 waves (possibly 4) of Spanish flu with the  R0 of 1.80 

the  R0 of omicron Covid is between 3 and 5.

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