Govt Asked to Solve Expensive Pork

[itsari]

11 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Pretty much any communist economy.

 

China admitted that a communist economy could not function quite a while ago.  They only use communism to hold onto political power, they have a capitalist economy.

 

It's a big part of it.  In fact, part of the only reason they're not all starving is the secret tolerance of black-markets.

Happy new year to you . 

You still have not said who the communist states are starving .

China is communist . That has nothing to do with there way of trading with the world . 

[bobandyson]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

imagine the price "if Pigs could fly"

It would be sky high.

 

[mahtin]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

imagine the price "if Pigs could fly"

Poor burgers certainly can't swim in the floods.

 

 

[digger70]

4 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Has anyone seen the price of celery.....Holy cow....It's like 100 baht now for one modest sized clump...

Celery 120THB for a bunch == 99THB per Kilo yesterday at Big C

[Dogmatix]

2 hours ago, Isaanlife said:

My wife's clan in rural Isaan, still buys the whole, live pigs from local farms and slaughters them at home.

 

The cost hasn't changed much getting them direct from local Isaan farmers.

 

It is kind of a ritual that makes me sick.

 

When they take the pigs from the back of the truck, the pigs start squealing in anguish, as if they know something bad it about to happen.

 

The villagers get together and get drunk, while they slaughter the pig and divvy up the pork.

 

I told my wife the first time I heard a pig heading for slaughter, squealing, to get me away from there ASAP and I have never witnessed another one.

 

Villagers are too poor to buy things in stores. Nearest store is 38+Km away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is quite disgusting. I would advise you to get new relatives.  

[Dogmatix]

I am really glad to see the price of pork rising.  The obvious solution is to stop eating it. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/11/death-by-clubbing-brutality-thailand-pig-slaughterhouses

[Trip Hop]

3 hours ago, Farmerslife said:

For the pork farmer the price of feed has risen, the cost of transportation has risen, labour (if he can find any) costs have risen. If he can't afford to absorb those increases then he has little choice but to pass them on.

Perhaps the wholesalers, the traders would consider reducing their profit margins? No, thought not. 

Is 100 baht a kilo excessive? I am not in the meat business but it doesn't seem excessive to me. 

It wouldn’t unless you were an average Thai and it equates to a third of your daily wage? I can’t think of anywhere else in the world where this is the case?

[Guest Isaanlife]

12 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

This is quite disgusting. I would advise you to get new relatives.  

LOL!

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, itsari said:

You still have not said who the communist states are starving .

As I said, most countries who attempted communism failed.  Just look at any of them.  China is a good example, Vietnam too.  Both started as communist but spent decades in poverty.  Once they admitted that communist economies were incapable of providing a decent standard of living, they switched to capitalism economically and prospered.  Then there is the USSR, Cambodia, North Korea, etc..

 

2 hours ago, itsari said:

China is communist . That has nothing to do with there way of trading with the world . 

China is politically communist but they are economically capitalist, due to the failure of communism as an economic system.  This failure is the reason that Thailand would not want to have a communist economy.

 

We're talking about economics, politics is not so relevant here.  You can pretend that the type of economy is not important when discussing economics, and you can pretend the separation doesn't matter if you want, but there's not much more I can discuss with you if you want to try and deny this simple fact.  Nobody is going to take you seriously if you persist in this line of reasoning.

[Burma Bill]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

price of pork at farms rose sharply from 80 baht per kilogram a few months ago to 100-102 baht per kilogram.

Trying to cut losses?????? (August 2021)

 

"Authorities in Kampong Chhnang province yesterday seized and destroyed more than 2.5 tonnes of pork, including tainted offal, smuggled in from Thailand ............

Meanwhile, authorities in Banteay Meanchey province on Saturday seized more than one tonne of pork at the Thai border in Malai district" (this had also been smuggled in)

 

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50916333/more-than-4-tonnes-of-pork-seized-in-two-provinces/

[Enoon]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

You would if it lead to not having enough food to eat like in most communist economies.

Government intervention in market pricing is just as prevalent in Fascist systems.

 

It was so under the National Socialist Democratic Workers (NAZI) Party of 1930's/40's Germany.

 

It is a fundamental characteristic of "Collectivist" political ideologies.

 

"Left" and "Right" are equally threatening.

 

See:

Totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Totalitarian democracy - Wikipedia

 

Its use in Thailand should be understood as part of an ongoing, carefully maintained, "feudalistic" outlook, coupled with 20thc Nationalistic, "rightist" ideology:

Feudal duties - Wikipedia

 

Most contributors on Aseanow evince a very limited understanding of the nuances that apply in Thailand.........or "this part of the world" generally.

 

It is a helluva lot more like the "good old days" here than it is in the West.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Enoon

[itsari]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

As I said, most countries who attempted communism failed.  Just look at any of them.  China is a good example, Vietnam too.  Both started as communist but spent decades in poverty.  Once they admitted that communist economies were incapable of providing a decent standard of living, they switched to capitalism economically and prospered.  Then there is the USSR, Cambodia, North Korea, etc..

 

China is politically communist but they are economically capitalist, due to the failure of communism as an economic system.  This failure is the reason that Thailand would not want to have a communist economy.

 

We're talking about economics, politics is not so relevant here.  You can pretend that the type of economy is not important when discussing economics, and you can pretend the separation doesn't matter if you want, but there's not much more I can discuss with you if you want to try and deny this simple fact.  Nobody is going to take you seriously if you persist in this line of reasoning.

You raised the question on communists countries not I .

Asked you twice to say which communist country is going hungry and no reply .

I can discuss with who I wish as you can . Yet I do not expect to have all agree with me like you do.

Good day Sir

[itsari]

2 minutes ago, Enoon said:

Government intervention in market pricing is just as prevalent in Fascist systems.

 

It was so under the National Socialist Democratic Workers (NAZI) Party of 1930/40's Germany.

 

It is a fundamental characteristic of "Collectivist" political ideologies.

 

"Left" and "Right" are equally threatening.

 

See:

Totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Totalitarian democracy - Wikipedia

 

Its use in Thailand should be understood as part of an ongoing, carefully maintained, "feudalistic" outlook, coupled with 20thc "rightist" ideology:

Feudal duties - Wikipedia

 

Most commentators on Aseanow evince a very limited understanding of the nuances that apply in Thailand.........or "this part of the world" generally.

 

It is a helluva lot more like the "good old days" here than it is in the West.

 

 

 

 

Food availability is to do with avoiding rebellion amongst the masses . 

Most Asia Now readers understand that . Forget about your nuances comment 

[trainman34014]

I've got two Freezers i use and fill them with Meat when the price is lower.   What i find disturbing lately is the price of Vegetables in many places; even the Market Vendore are not buying certain Vege's as too expensive and afraid they won't sell them.

 

Went into Makro last week and Broccoli was 175 Baht per Kilo, crazy price so left it, yesterday it was 119 Baht per Kilo but i'm not buying until back to 89 Baht or less.  You pays yer money you takes yer choice and i will not be gouged, as there is always something else you can choose.

 

Pork and Chicken will come back down after New Year; they are gouging knowing the Thai's must have their 'Moo Ga Ta' over this period !

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

Went into Makro last week and Broccoli was 175 Baht per Kilo, crazy price so left it, yesterday it was 119 Baht per Kilo but i'm not buying until back to 89 Baht or less.  You pays yer money you takes yer choice and i will not be gouged, as there is always something else you can choose.

Oddly enough chips are cheaper in Makro than at most times in the past.

2Kg/89bht ......... filled my freezer with them.

 

Broccoli is nasty, I wouldn't eat it if it were free.

[BangkokReady]

22 minutes ago, itsari said:

You raised the question on communists countries not I .

I didn't raise any questions.  Another user mentioned communism and I simply pointed out that communist economies are not successful.  A point that I supported with multiple examples, at your request.

 

22 minutes ago, itsari said:

Asked you twice to say which communist country is going hungry and no reply .

I gave multiple examples across two responses.  That you choose to bizarrely ignore them, I can't really do much about.

 

22 minutes ago, itsari said:

I can discuss with who I wish as you can .

You can.

 

22 minutes ago, itsari said:

Yet I do not expect to have all agree with me like you do.

Again, a little bizarre and illogical.

 

22 minutes ago, itsari said:

Good day Sir

And good day to you too, chum.

[itsari]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I didn't raise any questions.  Another user mentioned communism and I simply pointed out that communist economies are not successful.  A point that I supported with multiple examples, at your request.

 

I gave multiple examples across two responses.  That you choose to bizarrely ignore them, I can't really do much about.

 

You can.

 

Again, a little bizarre and illogical.

 

And good day to you too, chum.

You consider me bizarre and illogical , OK , you seem to be unable to back up a statement you made . Happy new year 

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, itsari said:

You consider me bizarre and illogical , OK , you seem to be unable to back up a statement you made.

I backed up the statement I made with multiple examples.  If you want to make your own reality in order to pretend you are correct, there isn't much I can to about it. ????‍♂️

 

1 minute ago, itsari said:

Happy new year 

Go in peace.

[vandeventer]

8 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Has anyone seen the price of celery.....Holy cow....It's like 100 baht now for one modest sized clump...

Tomato's are up too, look what ever goes up stupidly in price don't buy it, let it rot on the shelves. If we don't buy it the average wont either.

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Tomato's are up too, look what ever goes up stupidly in price don't buy it, let it rot on the shelves. If we don't buy it the average wont either.

Tomato's are always expensive this time of year.

It's a season type of thing.

[topt]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Broccoli is nasty, I wouldn't eat it if it were free.

Because it gets stuck in the teeth.....????

Seriously what's "nasty" about it?

[trainman34014]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Oddly enough chips are cheaper in Makro than at most times in the past.

2Kg/89bht ......... filled my freezer with them.

 

Broccoli is nasty, I wouldn't eat it if it were free.

Each to his own; but Broccoli is the Perfect Vegetable, has everything you need and nothing you don't.    Chips i can live without but do indulge two or three times a year.

[unblocktheplanet]

Go veg, ya fools!

[Fortean1]

Before CP took over TESCO Lotus you could find Western celery which was kept in the warehouse area.  Now I find only the Thai or Chinese itty-bitty celery.  I think Makro carries Western celery.

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[bangon04]

This is bad news. I have always enjoyed a good pork. It seems that many things are becoming more expensive these days after/during the virus panic. I remember that porking in Thailand was usually cheaper and more fun than in my home country. I look forward to my next Thai pork with relish......

[Meat Pie 47]

9 hours ago, topt said:

Because it gets stuck in the teeth.....????

Seriously what's "nasty" about it?

well I don't have many teeths left but I think broccoli is nice

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On 12/31/2021 at 7:39 AM, LivinLOS said:

Global inflation.. Central bankers push low interest rates.. speculative bubbles increase.. Initially seen in asset price rises stocks, realestate.. Then collectables, classic cars wines.. Then manias and froth, crypto.. Tho theres a good argument that this is in reaction to the expanding money supply (but certainly NFTs, digital rocks, etc) and gradually into general prices, wage inflation, etc. 

Earlier this year I posted on a budgeting thread that you need to budget in your mind for the value of your nestegg to halve every decade with movements of inflation and FX and if it doesnt you were doing well but that was the buffer.. Some very confident poster jumped in that this was 8% inflation (actually 8% total) and that inflation was 2% and how wildly out this was.. Here we sit.. official inflation is >6%, realy price rises >10% Euro area PPI hitting 16% recently.. We are about to witness an epic period of inflation, 50 years after nixon severed the Gold window keeping fiat currency to some kind of tether we have launched into the greatest period of synchronized monetary expansion the planet has ever seen. This has happened time after time, to countless empires and civilisations. This decade is going to be a wild one to watch and some will make out like bandits scooping up hard assets on the other side while most will be wiped out. 

Are you seriously going to claim that a price of a single commodity is a reliable indicator of the state of the economy? Such nonsense. Commodity prices have always been subject to occasional sharp swings. Your rant is clearly Pavlovian in that  would be invokes it for any unfavorable economic news without addressing specific causes. 

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by placeholder

[Virt]

13 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Each to his own; but Broccoli is the Perfect Vegetable, has everything you need and nothing you don't.    Chips i can live without but do indulge two or three times a year.

Broccoli is a perfect pandemic vegetable.

 

Eat a lot of it and everyone keep their minimum distance.

 

[LivinLOS]

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Are you seriously going to claim that a price of a single commodity is a reliable indicator of the state of the economy? Such nonsense. Commodity prices have always been subject to occasional sharp swings. Your rant is clearly Pavlovian in that  would be invokes it for any unfavorable economic news without addressing specific causes. 

 

Single commodity ?? PPI CPI ?? These are indexes (high manipulated ones in the case of CPI).. Check commodity baskets and indexes.. Lumber, metals, energy, all WAY up... 

And specific causes.. I addressed it.. Rampant central bank money printing and low interest rates. Cause = Effect.

[placeholder]

32 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Single commodity ?? PPI CPI ?? These are indexes (high manipulated ones in the case of CPI).. Check commodity baskets and indexes.. Lumber, metals, energy, all WAY up... 

And specific causes.. I addressed it.. Rampant central bank money printing and low interest rates. Cause = Effect.

Just because you name specific "causes" that doesn't make it so. I remember when quantitative easing was instituted, and your fellow travelers predicted massive inflation. That was over 10 years ago. As they did for the consequences of big government deficits in the wake of the economic crash of 2008 to 2010. Where was the inflation.? And as for your nonsense about the CPI, some researchers started an alternative index called the Billion Prices Project and its succesor, Prostats. It was based on prices offered on the Internet for just about anything. Inflation hawks like yourself were sure it would expose the falsity of the CPI. You know how that worked out?

http://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/bpp_pricelevel.png

 

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2020/11/a-public-service-announcement-judy-shelton-does-not-believe-in-us-government-statistics

 

As for the jump in prices. As anyone who has been following the actual news knows, there has been huge disruptions in supplies due to Covid. Such as a chip shortage which has resulted in a wide range of supply shortfalls including autos. That's a very large part of the problem.

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by placeholder