Things must be worse than we think...

[Nojohndoe]

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Just moments ago I watched a report on UK hospitals on the dire understaffing situation they find themselves in, one even came from my home town. So either media hype or you are wrong. 

Apparently so due to the number of Hospital staff "off sick". Cause of illness seems to be undefined in reports.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

Apparently so due to the number of Hospital staff "off sick". Cause of illness seems to be undefined in reports.

Do you think you can overwork hospital staff for months and not suffer a blowback 

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, ericthai said:

 I agree with you, it can be very bad! My wife and I are both vaccinated (pfizer) and she has been really sick for the past week. She was tested and has COVID as do I. she is really bad, constant cough, bad headache, soar throat, very tired etc. As for me I have mild body aches and a mild headache but ok.  

So the vaccines and masks were worthless?

[robblok]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

So the vaccines and masks were worthless?

 

This variant is far more contagious, and vaccines still keep people for the most part out of the hospitals.

 

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

Apparently so due to the number of Hospital staff "off sick". Cause of illness seems to be undefined in reports.

You've been reading the wrong reports, cause of illness covid, reason for absence, isolation so they don't bring it back to further spread in patients at hospital. My daughter is a nurse in Newquay, Cornwall and is currently isolating at home due to this.

[jacko45k]

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So the vaccines and masks were worthless?

Presumptive..... without the vaccines symptoms could be far worse.... and just perhaps someone else refused to wear a mask nearby.  Got enough of those ignorami about!

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

The situation is what it is. There is no point in worrying about something we have zero control over. 

All anyone can do is get vaccinated, get your booster jabs when available, follow all the precautions that are put in place and keep your guard up.

For everyone's sanity, this relentless scaremongering has to stop now!

 

Thank you. A voice of reason in the wilderness of panic and fear. It actually feels like some are bathing in the waves of panic, and embracing the fear and Zombie mentality. Really? Like you, I would rather live my life, follow the science, and hope this Omi is the best thing to happen to date, and that it is signaling the near end of this stupid virus, after a spike and then the end of Covid. 

[ozimoron]

7 hours ago, Oblomov said:

Some getting heavy cold symptoms. Many of my family and friends had no easily discernible  symptoms. Many even had it and didn't even know they'd had it until a mandated workplace test. 

 

The data on post infection natural anti-bodies (if it follows previous strain patterns) will be important as the huge infection rate could initiate an equally important herd immunity, finally! 

We already know that reinfections are occurring at a high rate with omicron so it's illogical to assume herd immunity is imminent.

 

"We do know from early data that this virus replicates about 70-fold faster than the delta variant. And we see manifestations of that. For example, for somebody who's previously been infected with COVID, their chance of getting reinfected with omicron is almost 5½-fold higher than reinfection with delta."

 

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/reinfection-rates-of-omicron-and-people-need-to-take-this-seriously/

[pixelaoffy]

10 hours ago, Chivas said:

Its completely out of control in the UK and Hong Kong and I suspect Thailand know full well the shight is about to hit the fan in very short order... I suspect the Hospital is aiming for a fine balance of critical care as opposed to simply no care

Not completely out of control in UK . More nonsense posts 

 

 

[mtls2005]

Probably just precautionary, advanced planning?

 

Like postponing elective surgery?

 

 

[BangkokReady]

10 hours ago, Chivas said:

Its completely out of control in the UK

Yet they are just now saying that people no longer need to test before arrival and if anyone tests positive on ATK they can just self-isolate and don't need to seek further testing.

 

This suggests that while numbers may be up, with Omnicron they are less worried because it is milder.

 

Sounds like the UK might have it right, finally.  While Thailand mulls going into max lockdown mode to avoid what might be the best thing to happen yet, covid-wise.  Got to keep pushing that "covid is a foreign virus" narrative. ????

[JoePai]

This was Pattaya yesterday - all tested positive and packed awaiting to go into quarantine 

 

 

[rocky123]

Most of the ppl I know have had IT, and they got over IT in a week. I Dont know anybody thats died of it, do you ?.

[MarcelV]

4 hours ago, JoePai said:

This was Pattaya yesterday - all tested positive and packed awaiting to go into quarantine 

 

 

No white caucasian farangs?

[ericthai]

14 hours ago, BritManToo said:

So the vaccines and masks were worthless?

yes I think it's working or I think I would be really sick or worse.

My good friend died two months ago from Covid he was 62 and was in perfect health, he went to the gym every day. 

 

I know there are risks with the vaccination, but I think the risk is minimal. One of my friends got bells palsy after his injection and he still has issues. I've read allot about the vaccinations side effects, the unknown, but hell we all take risks every day. Getting into a car you dont know if your going to live or die. 

[Meat Pie 47]

14 minutes ago, ericthai said:

yes I think it's working or I think I would be really sick or worse.

My good friend died two months ago from Covid he was 62 and was in perfect health, he went to the gym every day. 

 

I know there are risks with the vaccination, but I think the risk is minimal. One of my friends got bells palsy after his injection and he still has issues. I've read allot about the vaccinations side effects, the unknown, but hell we all take risks every day. Getting into a car you dont know if your going to live or die. 

tell that to the parents of the 17 months old baby who died in South Australia

[ericthai]

3 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

tell that to the parents of the 17 months old baby who died in South Australia

I dont understand you statement? what do you want me to tell them? a 17 month old baby was vaccinated? 

[G Rex]

19 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

tell that to the parents of the 17 months old baby who died in South Australia

Seriously now!   Hardly relevant here.

This unfortunate death was of a young baby who died with Covid. Her actual cause of death is yet to be determined. The rest of the family was vaccinated and asymptomatic.

Let’s not get too hysterical here.

[Airalee]

15 hours ago, robblok said:

There just is no room on ICU as it all goes to coivid

Stop lying….especially when the facts are verifiable by your own government online.

 

https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/intensive-care-opnames

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 1/5/2022 at 9:59 PM, Dmaxdan said:

The situation is what it is. There is no point in worrying about something we have zero control over. 

All anyone can do is get vaccinated, get your booster jabs when available, follow all the precautions that are put in place and keep your guard up.

 

Your comment above seems inherently illogical.

 

You start out by saying it's something "we have zero control over." And then proceed to tick off a series of correct preventive measures that everyone can and should follow as a means of preventing and reduce the spread of the virus.

 

In short, it's still something every individual has some ability to influence thru their own actions or lack thereof.

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, ericthai said:

I dont understand you statement? what do you want me to tell them? a 17 month old baby was vaccinated? 

No, it had omicron. There is also a young child in hospital currently in my state who is "seriously unwell" with omicron. It is not harmless. It may not be as bad as delta but far from benign. It is not a mere flu.

 

"While Omicron does appear to be less severe compared to Delta, especially in those vaccinated, it does not mean it should be categorised as mild," director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at the same briefing in Geneva.

"Just like previous variants, Omicron is hospitalising people and it is killing people."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/omicron-may-be-less-severe-not-mild-who-chief-2022-01-06/

Edited January 6, 2022 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

37 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Stop lying….especially when the facts are verifiable by your own government online.

 

https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/intensive-care-opnames

 

 

The number of beds was never related to hospitals being overwhelmed. It's always a staff issue.

[ericthai]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, it had omicron. There is also a young child in hospital currently in my state who is "seriously unwell" with omicron. It is not harmless. It may not be as bad as delta but far from benign. It is not a mere flu.

I never said it was, I was asked what I thought about mask and vaccines and I answered.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, ericthai said:

I never said it was, I was asked what I thought about mask and vaccines and I answered.

Your answer appeared to be sarcastic. Of course a 17 month old baby was unvaccinated.

[Airalee]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The number of beds was never related to hospitals being overwhelmed. It's always a staff issue.

Furthermore….

 

”The Netherlands has experienced frequent shortages of nurses from the Second World War onwards. ”

Source:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545721/

 

It appears that it’s not a Covid issue as it is a long standing problem.  If NL can’t get their act together, blame the system, not the Covid patients.

 

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Furthermore….

 

”The Netherlands has experienced frequent shortages of nurses from the Second World War onwards. ”

Source:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545721/

 

It appears that it’s not a Covid issue as it is a long standing problem.  If NL can’t get their act together, blame the system, not the Covid patients.

 

Your link is a general discourse of nursing in the Netherlands, not at all relevant to the issue of whether hospitals are currently overwhelmed or not.

 

Here's something a little more contemporaneous in regard to Netherlands hospitals ability to cope with covid

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/dutch-covid-19-patients-transferred-germany-hospitals-struggle-2021-11-23/

Edited January 6, 2022 by ozimoron

[ericthai]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Your answer appeared to be sarcastic. Of course a 17 month old baby was unvaccinated.

Sorry didnt mean for it to be that way, I still dont understand what a 17 month baby has to do with my comments.

[ozimoron]

US sees record COVID-19 pediatric hospital admissions on Wednesday

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/588525-us-sees-record-covid-19-pediatric-hospital-admissions-on-wednesday

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Just moments ago I watched a report on UK hospitals on the dire understaffing situation they find themselves in, one even came from my home town. So either media hype or you are wrong. 

Having treated nurses badly for years, the chickens are now coming home to roost. Underpaid, overworked, and disrespected by management and in some cases by those they are trying to help, nurses have, according to some I've spoken with, had enough and the virus is just "the last straw" so to speak.

So, next time in hospital remember that nurses do a thankless job, for little reward, and don't blame them if things are not as good as they should be. That's down to management and the government.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Airalee said:

Furthermore….

 

”The Netherlands has experienced frequent shortages of nurses from the Second World War onwards. ”

Source:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545721/

 

It appears that it’s not a Covid issue as it is a long standing problem.  If NL can’t get their act together, blame the system, not the Covid patients.

 

Lay people may not understand why people are not queuing up to become nurses, but from a nurse- it's a thankless, underpaid, stressful job that relies on the dedication of those that do do that job to have any nurses in hospital.

IMO the move to eliminate enrolled nurses, and to make people pay to train in university eliminated a large pool of potential nurses, but IMO most have realised the financials just don't make it worth doing any more. That's why countries like the UK and NZ have to rely on nurses from other countries like Africa, the Philippines, and India to staff their hospital wards.