Kanchanaburi murder latest: Funeral held for deceased Brit, crowdfunding appeal started for attempted murder victim

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

Show up at your friend's funeral wearing shorts, flip flops, and a T shirt? And smoking a cigarette? 

What do you want him to wear, a suit, collar and tie? Any friends funerals I attended here and even family funerals back in the UK, I always just wore casual clothes.

Apart from when I was a teenager or playing in a band, I have never worn or owned a suit or collar and tie, apart from my wedding day.

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

Show up at your friend's funeral wearing shorts, flip flops, and a T shirt? And smoking a cigarette? 

I doubt if he packed a black suit, white shirt, black tie and black shoes for his trip to Thailand. ????

[John Drake]

4 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

What do you want him to wear, a suit, collar and tie? Any friends funerals I attended here and even family funerals back in the UK, I always just wore casual clothes.

Apart from when I was a teenager or playing in a band, I have never worn or owned a suit or collar and tie, apart from my wedding day.

Trousers, a shirt, and a tie too much to ask? How about putting down the cigarette while you're in the Wat? Or is this another case of flouting Thai cultural norms? Yea, you show'em alright. Isn't that how this entire episode started? The entire affair begins to look sordid.

[khunPer]

There are some conflicting statements, like holiday and travel insurance that ran out due to the incident; if the incident happened before the travel insurance ran out, shouldn't mr. Dagnan be covered? Or has mr. Dagnan been staying three years in Thailand with his wife without insurance? And playing loud music at 3 am, what happened before the attack - from the photos in the first news article about the incident, it looked like the two men were staying in a terraced house like glued to their neighbors - did somebody ask them to reduce the music sound level or stop the noisy party before the attack?

 

Of course nobody shall be killed or even attacked because of loud music - a very sad incident - but don't forget that TIT.

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

I doubt if he packed a black suit, white shirt, black tie and black shoes for his trip to Thailand. ????

Just planned on being a bum? You don't need to travel like you're Cosmo Topper, but you should be at least be able to put on trousers, a clean shirt, and a tie. At least the guy on the far right in the photo managed to put on his dress sneakers.

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, pagallim said:

Wrong.   His visits were never longer than a maximum of 3 months (still working in the UK) and 90 reports are only applicable for visa extension purposes.   Given that you cannot enter Thailand currently without health insurance, you are wrong again.   I have no doubt his insurance would have only been applicable up until the date of what has been his delayed departure.   That said, an insurance claim for an event that happened within the insured period should still be met.

"an insurance claim for an event that happened within the insured period should still be met."

What should happen and what could happen are two very different things.

If someone coming on holiday for three weeks and has insurance for three weeks, then has to make a claim for something that happened on these three weeks, surely the insurance company cannot refuse to pay out for treatment that lasts longer than those three weeks.

Insurance companies do not have bad reputations for no reason.

[transam]

3 hours ago, arithai12 said:

He seems to have much more bandages at the funeral than he had in the hospital bed a couple of days ago.

So would I if I was after funding.....????

[xylophone]

4 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Just planned on being a bum? You don't need to travel like you're Cosmo Topper, but you should be at least be able to put on trousers, a clean shirt, and a tie. At least the guy on the far right in the photo managed to put on his dress sneakers.

I agree with what you have been saying, and before I attended the funeral of my ex-girlfriend's mother, I asked a few Thai folk what would be the proper attire for a funeral, and although I didn't wear a tie, I did have long dark blue/black trousers, real shoes and a white open necked shirt, and that was appreciated.

 

Did the same again when I attended a friend's funeral here in Patong. So it's not too much to ask to dress in a "decent" style at a Thai funeral. And even if one didn't have access to such clothes, they are cheap and easy to buy in places like Big C.
 

[pagallim]

31 minutes ago, Jim P said:

The article says he lived in Thailand for 3 years with his wife. If he arrived in December he would have had a minimum of $50,000 medical insurance for the duration of his stay. If he cancelled his flight home and didn`t extend his insurance that`s pretty stupid with the endless possibilities that it may be required for. As they say, up to him, but it`s not Go Fund Me worthy imo.

What the article says and the actual reality is different.   In essence he has regularly visited his partner in Kanchanaburi for the past three years, working full time in the UK and travelling here for a few weeks/month at a time various times of the year.   He is not here full time.   You are correct he would have had to have had medical insurance for the duration of his current visit.   I guess lying in hospital with critical injuries (fractured skull etc) may have cause him to have had a memory lapse about cancelling his flight home and extending his insurance.

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I agree with what you have been saying, and before I attended the funeral of my ex-girlfriend's mother, I asked a few Thai folk what would be the proper attire for a funeral, and although I didn't wear a tie, I did have long dark blue/black trousers, real shoes and a white open necked shirt, and that was appreciated.

 

Did the same again when I attended a friend's funeral here in Patong. So it's not too much to ask to dress in a "decent" style at a Thai funeral. And even if one didn't have access to such clothes, they are cheap and easy to buy in places like Big C.
 

Thai society tends to be much more formal than we outsiders acknowledge. Even in the small remote village in Chaiyaphum, where my wife is from, everyone tries to "dress up" at funerals. In a country where the immigration offices warn you to dress properly for your visit, and where access to temples requires adherence to a dress code, you would think visitors would realize this.

[jak2002003]

3 hours ago, chuang said:

Crowdfunding seems to be the norm...for everything and anything..LOL

Yes. Can I set a crowdfunding thing up for people to pay for my life so I do t have to work or do anything for myself as I am too lazy?

 

I'll say I have life anxiety or triggered by having to make my own money. Lol

[Liverpool Lou]

7 hours ago, Isaanlife said:

Well, which was is it?

 

On holiday or living here with his wife for 3 years?

Allowances have to be made for crowd funding liars!

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

money to burn too?

but not for self inflicted accident?

His injuries were not self-inflicted!

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

An excuse often used by the RTP is that perpetrators have mental issues....often resulting in a lesser sentence....and maybe a reward for the police

Why would the police need "an excuse" and for what?   

 

Why would they be rewarded for collaring a mentally disturbed murderer as opposed to an unchallenged murderer?

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

All medical bills can be placed on the shoulders of the attacker. If he doesn’t pay then the state needs to cover it.

That's not how it works here, no matter what you think "needs" to happen.

[stigar]

A old lady in my country was scammed for about 40.000 US dollar.The bank refused to pay her back.

She went to the news,and people start helping in go found me.After few days she get almost double what she had lost.A week after the bank change their mind and paid her the 40.000 US back.

Did she paid back to the people who helped her first..NO

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The last thing Thailand needs is another Daily Mail story about "Brit ripped off by hospital after slashing murder in Thailand" headline.

He has not been "ripped off" by any hospital and not many people give a flying toss about whatever <deleted> the Mail publishes!

[4MyEgo]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

"His travel insurance has lapsed due to an unexpected extended stay.

It's tragic that it ended up the way it ended up.

 

From my point of view and others can and will disagree and that's ok.

 

No matter where I travel or live (Thailand), I make sure I have insurance, now that will be for private health cover which I pay for the comfort of knowing that I am covered in case of an unexpected event, and when travelling internationally, I take out travel insurance, even though my private health insurance covers me for up to 90 days in the event of an emergency to where I travel. 

 

Playing loud music back in my home country would be a no no after 11pm and I would imagine the same would apply in the UK, so why the need to go all out here because they have relaxed rules. Thai's usually play loud music until the sun comes up when they have a festive season, and it is anticipated, loud base while trying to sleep, live bands echoing in the distance, it's a cultural things and you either accept it or you don't, but there is nothing you can do about it, but to play loud music at 3am on any day outside of their festive seasons is disrespectful in my opinion and shows how much one cares about their neighbours.

 

As for the funeral, I would imagine being dressed like that back in ones home country would be frowned upon, no difference here, and as Xylophone mentioned a pair of slacks, a shirt etc could have been purchased from Big C for little, that said, I wouldn't rock up at a mates funeral in shorts, flip flops and a smoke in my hand as that would show me as being beneath myself, funerals have always had a dress code albeit it is not written, just plain common sense.

 

Have said it before and will say it again, insurance should be mandatory for entry to every single country, and for those living here, as for those who are too old and cannot get it or have pre-existing conditions that insurers won't cover, then 2-3 million baht in a fixed bank account to show immigration that they can self insure.

 

Go fund me is a rip off and I have and never will contribute to people who cannot look after their own as I do.

 

Tragic that the deceased was taken so early, that said, I hope he had some kind of life insurance for anyone left behind that he supported, like a wife and daughter. 

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Highend Expat said:

11 hours ago, webfact said:

A 22 year old Thai man, reportedly with mental health problems, is helping police with their inquiries in the western Thai city of Kanchanaburi. 

Hmmm... That's two reports with language framing the Thai suapect in a positive light. Strange. 

 

Deliberate translation or something else?

He's already been charged with murder and attempted murder so perhaps it's just accurate reporting, why should it be anything else?

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, pagallim said:

 I have no doubt his insurance would have only been applicable up until the date of what has been his delayed departure.   That said, an insurance claim for an event that happened within the insured period should still be met.

"...an insurance claim for an event that happened within the insured period should still be met.".

Only if the claim is made within the policy term, i.e. before it expires!  

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

Show up at your friend's funeral wearing shorts, flip flops, and a T shirt? And smoking a cigarette? 

It's what his dead mate wanted.

How do you know, how would he know?  Had they discussed his funeral arrangements while they were getting rat-arse_d?

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

Show up at your friend's funeral wearing shorts, flip flops, and a T shirt? And smoking a cigarette? 

It's what his dead mate wanted.

If that's the case, those in the photos showing respect by wearing long trousers and shoes should hang their heads in shame at letting him down.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, pagallim said:

He already works full time in the UK, and only travels to Thailand to visit his partner for a few weeks or a month at a time over a year.   She works full time here as a chef.   He arrived this time in December and would have left this week.

Who?  The murdered man or his pal?  Or are they both married to "chefs"?

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

Show up at your friend's funeral wearing shorts, flip flops, and a T shirt? And smoking a cigarette? 

What do you want him to wear, a suit, collar and tie?

How about trousers and shoes like the others shown in the photos and leave the fags until the ceremony has finished?   Doesn't seem too unreasonable.

[pagallim]

6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Who?  The murdered man or his pal?  Or are they both married to "chefs"?

Don't know the circumstances of the guy who died, or his partner, though I believe he too worked outside of Thailand.   Shaun Dagnan (the injured man) I don't know personally, though am friends with people who know him well, and his partner is a chef in a bar restaurant that I use when I'm in Kanchanaburi (last time I was there November 2021).

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

funerals back in the UK, I always just wore casual clothes.

Shorts and flip flops?

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How about trousers and shoes like the others shown in the photos and leave the fags until the ceremony has finished?   Doesn't seem unreasonable.

I agree about the wearing of shorts and the smoking, but a top, long trousers and trainers should suffice.

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Shorts and flip flops?

No! Definitely not.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

If someone coming on holiday for three weeks and has insurance for three weeks, then has to make a claim for something that happened on these three weeks, surely the insurance company cannot refuse to pay out for treatment that lasts longer than those three weeks.

Was it reported that "his insurer" has refused to pay his claim?

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, arithai12 said:

He seems to have much more bandages at the funeral than he had in the hospital bed a couple of days ago.

He's only got one bandage.