Thais told to beware of Russia’s sharp power, uphold principles rather than taking sides

[Saanim]

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just had a look at the Russian Embassy facebook page in London.......???? Its like a R.T or Sputnik clone spewing out propaganda by the hour so its not just Thailand

Why they do not show such balanced news as on UK embassy in Moscow?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Saanim said:

Why they do not show such balanced news as on UK embassy in Moscow?

???????? Facebook, twitter and youtube have been taken off air and banned in Russia a couple of days ago by Putin

[Blumpie]

I wouldn't worry about Russian tourists.  The currency is basically toilet paper now, and even if they could get there they would go through the worthless currency in a heartbeat.  

IT's impossible to over-state how bad their currency is now.  

[fusion58]

8 hours ago, steven100 said:

exactly ,   they live in the Thai bubble of existence .....    most wouldn't know a thing about USSR history .

Yep.
 

A more intellectually incurious lot you’d be hard pressed to find. Traveling abroad is just for prestige points and selfies. After all, why bother to learn anything about other cultures when you already live in the center of the universe?

[stigar]

4 hours ago, Blumpie said:

I wouldn't worry about Russian tourists.  The currency is basically toilet paper now, and even if they could get there they would go through the worthless currency in a heartbeat.  

IT's impossible to over-state how bad their currency is now.  

Its time to take down the roadsings and more in russian langue now.New spelling migth be in indian...

[superal]

22 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Tomorrow Russia will criminalise spreading non-official information about the war, anti-war protests in any form will be outlawed, as will any calls for sanctions. Most independent media have already decided to cease operations. 

Pot & kettle come to mind .

[Saanim]

17 hours ago, poskat said:

“The government should take a clear stance to show that we disagree with the use of military hostility against other countries"

Why should they? Did they show it at the many military hostilities before? (they were also involved BTW).

 

Even when Israel did not take clear stance (despite being of the same religion as Zelensky), just discussing now with Putin in Moscow, being the first one visiting after the conflict. 

 

Perhaps, if he took a "clear stance", somebody could throw it on him, how about Israel's actions for their own security?

 

 

     

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Why should they? Did they show it at the many military hostilities before? (they were also involved BTW).

 

Even when Israel did not take clear stance (despite being of the same religion as Zelensky), just discussing now with Putin in Moscow, being the first one visiting after the conflict. 

 

Perhaps, if he took a "clear stance", somebody could throw it on him, how about Israel's actions for their own security?

 

 

     

Israel is in a position to.help. They have close communication with Putin and a large portion of their citizens are (mostly secular) Russians. 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Jingthing

[billd766]

21 hours ago, Saanim said:

They did not report about that in MSM, hence, it has not happened, has it?

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-russia-falsely-blames-ukraine-for-starting-war/a-60999948

 

Russia's Foreign Ministry said Moscow was acting to end the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population" that had been supposedly ongoing since 2014. DW Fact Check explains why this is false.

Russia's Foreign Ministry said Moscow was acting to end the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population" that had been supposedly ongoing since 2014. DW Fact Check explains why this is false.

 

It is so easy to Google at the moment

 

Did you miss this? Or perhaps this?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

 

The war in Donbas,[note 1] or the Donbas War, is an armed conflict in the Donbas region of Ukraine, part of the broader Russo-Ukrainian War. In March 2014, immediately following the Euromaidan protest movement and subsequent Revolution of Dignity, protests by pro-Russian, anti-government separatist groups took place in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, collectively called the Donbas. These demonstrations began around the same time as Russia's annexation of Crimea, and were part of wider pro-Russian protests across southern and eastern Ukraine. Declaring the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR, respectively), armed Russian-backed separatist groups seized government buildings throughout the Donbas, leading to armed conflict with the Ukrainian government forces.

 

 

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[billd766]

19 hours ago, mybeat said:

Who gets to decide this?
 

Ukraine has weapons, they could've prevented it no?

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/russia-ukraine-military-comparison-intl/index.html#:~:text=In land forces alone%2C Russia,165%2C00 to Ukraine's 35%2C000.

 

Where Russia has 900,000 active personnel in its armed forces, and 2 million in reserve, Ukraine has 196,000 and 900,000 reservists. Ukraine on Wednesday began conscripting reservists aged 18-60, according to IISS.
In land forces alone, Russia has a twofold advantage, with 280,000 troops to Ukraine's 125,600. And its air force is nearly five times as strong, with 165,00 to Ukraine's 35,000.

 

Does this give you a clue?

[Saanim]

Quote

on 3/5/2022 at 2:18 PM, ozimoron said:

 

Ukraine never attacked Russian civilians in the Donbass. The uprising in the Donbass is an artifact of Putin's aggression.

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-russia-falsely-blames-ukraine-for-starting-war/a-60999948

 

Russia's Foreign Ministry said Moscow was acting to end the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population" that had been supposedly ongoing since 2014. DW Fact Check explains why this is false.

 

Did you miss this? Or perhaps this?

 

It was not me who have missed the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population". Of course,  because it has not been on MSM despite it's ongoing since 2014.

 

Did you ever experience to get reported anything what is unfavorable for Ukraine, and/or anything what is favorable for Russia?

 

What conclusion - in your unbiased awareness - do you draw from this finding (unfavorable/favorable)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Saanim said:

It was not me who have missed the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population". Of course,  because it has not been on MSM despite it's ongoing since 2014.

 

Did you ever experience to get reported anything what is unfavorable for Ukraine, and/or anything what is favorable for Russia?

 

What conclusion - in your unbiased awareness - do you draw from this finding (unfavorable/favorable)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Give it a rest. You want to support Russia that's fine, but do not say that the Ukraine asked to be invaded and civilians brutally murdered by a psychopath named Putin.

Edited March 6, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, Saanim said:

It was not me who have missed the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population". Of course,  because it has not been on MSM despite it's ongoing since 2014.

 

Did you ever experience to get reported anything what is unfavorable for Ukraine, and/or anything what is favorable for Russia?

 

What conclusion - in your unbiased awareness - do you draw from this finding (unfavorable/favorable)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The claim that there was a systematic extermination of anyone in the Donbass by Ukraine is a straight out lie. The truth was posted just above in reply to you but you just ignore it. Either back up your claims with credible references or don't make them. Any credible sources other than state controlled media will be considered.

Edited March 6, 2022 by ozimoron

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The claim that there was a systematic extermination of anyone in the Donbass by Ukraine is a straight out lie. The truth was posted just above in reply to you but you just ignore it. Either back up your claims with credible references or don't make them. Any credible sources other than state controlled media will be considered.

Yeah these "what about Donbass?" deflections clearly based on Kremlin propaganda have become a quite tedious BROKEN RECORD. Also when Ukraine armed forces conflict with Donbass rebels (we know there are Russian national operatives there) that isn't an invasion of Ukraine. Donbass IS Ukraine! That said, I assume if there is a way to negotiate a peace (I doubt it) Ukraine will probably agree to give that up. 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

What is happening in the last few days is a hot stage of the long lasting struggle between Russia and USA+UK, set on the Ukrainian territory. The proxy Ukrainian army is fighting for the USA’s interests. The goals of the US are to weaken Russia and to keep Europe as a colony of the US with its military bases and forcing Europe to buy expensive American energy. Russia will complete its mission of demilitarization and denazifying of Ukraine.
 

The west, while trying to hurt Russia with sanctions, is shooting its own foot. Less demand for dollars is going to undermine the reserve currency status of the dollar, the net gain will be more currency diversification by many countries, including into Chinese yuan. Countries that do not want their reserves taken away at a whim. Confidence in the dollar which is the main weapon of the US, is sliding downhill. And this is just one aspect, albeit a very important one, of the west shooting its own foot.

Have you looked at the dollar index lately? The assertion that "many countries" will adopt the Chinese Yuan as a reserve currency is risible.

[AnotherFarang8]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Have you looked at the dollar index lately? The assertion that "many countries" will adopt the Chinese Yuan as a reserve currency is risible.

I didn’t say it will happen overnight. And it won’t be one currency. It will be a gradual process of diversification into multiple currencies. Chinese yuan will be one of them, a significant one because of the size of their economy.

[2009]

On 3/5/2022 at 2:09 PM, ozimoron said:

The real shame is this continued inexcusable and apparently racist bashing of Thailand.

You ting too mutt.

 

Racism in Thailand, ok.

[herfiehandbag]

On 3/5/2022 at 1:40 PM, RafPinto said:

The last few days, I spoke with several thai people, educated and not so educated.
None of them was really aware of what is going on in Ukraine but straight away mentioned that a thai actress died.

Yet the old chap who runs the grilled chicken stall in my Northern Thai village was watching a news programme on his phone the other evening, and expressed his (unprintable) views on Russia and Putin!

 

Just as in our home countries, some will be interested, some not, and some fixated on whether Simon Cowbell is bonking the judges on "Britain has very little talent"!

[ozimoron]

29 minutes ago, 2009 said:

You ting too mutt.

 

Racism in Thailand, ok.

There is no country without more than its fair share of racists.

[DogNo1]

For an in-depth perspective of the background of the invasion, search for Mearshimer on YouTube.  It is popular to condemn Russia.  Ukraine isn’t blameless.

[Jingthing]

Just now, DogNo1 said:

For an in-depth perspective of the background of the invasion, search for Mearshimer on YouTube.  It is popular to condemn Russia.  Ukraine isn’t blameless.

Has he commented yet on his prediction of several years that Putin would never invade Ukraine and if he ever did it would show Putin to be completely insane?

Which basically devalues his POV that Putin is a rational player.

He was saying this days before Putin invaded as well.

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The claim that there was a systematic extermination of anyone in the Donbass by Ukraine is a straight out lie.

Your media did not report about the extermination, hence, it cannot be true, can be? 

 

Ever heard about massacre in Odessa May 2014? You can google and believe what the MSM said about that (if they ever said).

 

Wondering whether the EU Parliament had lied to us about that horrible slaughter of burning 50 - 150 (who would know) people alive:  

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

 

Who were the people?  All of them UA citizens of Russian ethnicity.

 

Did the UA govt ever care to investigate? Afterwards, the then UA president Poroshenko appointed as a Governor of Odessa his old friend Mikheil Saakashvili, former president of Georgia (who started the Georgia war in 2008 as per finding of the same EU Parliament as above - and who also played a role in 2014 UA coup Maidan), currently in Georgia prison.

 

     

 

 

    

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Your media did not report about the extermination, hence, it cannot be true, can be? 

 

Ever heard about massacre in Odessa May 2014? You can google and believe what the MSM said about that (if they ever said).

 

Wondering whether the EU Parliament had lied to us about that horrible slaughter of burning 50 - 150 (who would know) people alive:  

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

 

Who were the people?  All of them UA citizens of Russian ethnicity.

 

Did the UA govt ever care to investigate? Afterwards, the then UA president Poroshenko appointed as a Governor of Odessa his old friend Mikheil Saakashvili, former president of Georgia (who started the Georgia war in 2008 as per finding of the same EU Parliament as above - and who also played a role in 2014 UA coup Maidan), currently in Georgia prison.

That is a war crime but it is not genocide or "extermination". It is a massacre and it isn't a pretext for an invasion 9 years later. The ICC who Russia does not recognise is the relevant authority for international war crimes. Russia should recognise the ICC and refer this matter to them. As it happens the ICC have gone to Ukraine now to investigate war crimes committed by BOTH sides.

Edited March 6, 2022 by ozimoron

[DogNo1]

Mearsheimer is commenting frequently on many TV channels right now.  Events change.

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Your media did not report about the extermination, hence, it cannot be true, can be? 

 

Ever heard about massacre in Odessa May 2014? You can google and believe what the MSM said about that (if they ever said).

 

Wondering whether the EU Parliament had lied to us about that horrible slaughter of burning 50 - 150 (who would know) people alive:  

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

 

Who were the people?  All of them UA citizens of Russian ethnicity.

 

Did the UA govt ever care to investigate? Afterwards, the then UA president Poroshenko appointed as a Governor of Odessa his old friend Mikheil Saakashvili, former president of Georgia (who started the Georgia war in 2008 as per finding of the same EU Parliament as above - and who also played a role in 2014 UA coup Maidan), currently in Georgia prison.

 

Its not clear cut unless you can provide proof it is?

 

"One survivor told Russia Today: "We couldn't go down, we were seeing people from other floors being brought down and then those rioters down there attacked them like a pack of wolves."

 

But other eyewitness reports, for example in the Kyiv Post, said pro-Ukrainian activists rescued dozens of people from the burning building.

Some people got to ledges and were helped by ambulance ladders. Some fell.

 

Some people were reported to have shouted "die" as people fell.

One of those who had been at the building, Anatoly, said the people inside were not "pro-Russian activists".

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27275383

 

However this is not the topic here as it would rerail this thread

[candide]

42 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Your media did not report about the extermination, hence, it cannot be true, can be? 

 

Ever heard about massacre in Odessa May 2014? You can google and believe what the MSM said about that (if they ever said).

 

Wondering whether the EU Parliament had lied to us about that horrible slaughter of burning 50 - 150 (who would know) people alive:  

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

 

Who were the people?  All of them UA citizens of Russian ethnicity.

 

Did the UA govt ever care to investigate? Afterwards, the then UA president Poroshenko appointed as a Governor of Odessa his old friend Mikheil Saakashvili, former president of Georgia (who started the Georgia war in 2008 as per finding of the same EU Parliament as above - and who also played a role in 2014 UA coup Maidan), currently in Georgia prison.

 

     

 

 

    

This is a blatant  false equivalency.  The way you present it, it looks like the Ukrainian State has killed these people. This is not the case. This is the outcome of several clashes between pro-Maidan and  anti-Maidan (pro-Russia), demonstrators.

On that particular day, a pro-Maidan rally has been attacked by a pro-Russian mob, resulting in the killing of a few pro-Maidan protesters. This caused a reaction from pro-Maidan protesters who then attacked the pro-Russian camp. It is important to notice that the police and a large share of City officials were anti-Maidan.

 

I'm not saying that the behaviour of pro-Maidan protesters has been stainless. Obviously, both sides were ready to fight (see quote below link).

 

However, it is dishonest to present this event as equivalent to a State (Russia) shelling innocent people. The Ukrainian State was not involved in the killings, and those who were killed were not "innocent".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odessa_clashes

 

"This rally was later attacked by a pro-Russian mob of 300 from the group Odesskaya Druzhina armed with bats and firearms at Hretska Street.[39][51][62] Both sides fought running battles against each other, exchanging stones and petrol bombs, and built barricades throughout the city during the afternoon.[63] According to OHCHR both sides had various kinds of helmets, masks, shields, axes and wooden or metal sticks, and firearms.[64]"

[candide]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

That is a war crime but it is not genocide or "extermination". It is a massacre and it isn't a pretext for an invasion 9 years later. The ICC who Russia does not recognise is the relevant authority for international war crimes. Russia should recognise the ICC and refer this matter to them. As it happens the ICC have gone to Ukraine now to investigate war crimes committed by BOTH sides.

It was not even a war crime as it was a clash between pro and anti-Maidan protesters.

[ozimoron]

Just now, candide said:

It was not even a war crime as it was a clash between pro and anti-Maidan protesters.

I took his post at face value but it was obviously a deceptive spin aka propaganda.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Saanim said:

It was not me who have missed the "systematic extermination of the Donbas population". Of course,  because it has not been on MSM despite it's ongoing since 2014.

 

Did you ever experience to get reported anything what is unfavorable for Ukraine, and/or anything what is favorable for Russia?

 

What conclusion - in your unbiased awareness - do you draw from this finding (unfavorable/favorable)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was replying to your post about nothing being reported about Donbas on the MSM.

 

I have to admit it took me 3 or 4 minutes but that is because I am a slow reader and I prefer to read the topic I am commenting on before I post it.

 

quote " Did you ever experience to get reported anything what is unfavorable for Ukraine, and/or anything what is favorable for Russia?

What conclusion - in your unbiased awareness - do you draw from this finding (unfavorable/favorable)?"

 

Yes but like you I have not found anything lately that IS favourable to Russia.

 

Now I will ask you the same question that you asked me but I will swap the countries around.

 

Did you ever experience to get reported anything what is unfavorable for Ukraine Russia, and/or anything what is favorable for Russia Ukraine?

What conclusion - in your unbiased awareness - do you draw from this finding (unfavorable/favorable)?