Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Bandersnatch]

8 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Once again I have to witness, and once again be the victim of, you attributing statements to me that I categorically did not make … it is called trolling, please desist.

 

You came to this discussion about EVs in Thailand with no direct experience of EVs in Thailand claiming that the booming EV market here was about to collapse.

 

You sir are the Troll here “please desist”

[Bandersnatch]

12 hours ago, Jake72 said:

But PlugShare does have all the chargers, however most of them are just 3-5kW wall chargers, not fast chargers:

 

You seem very keen to call people liars, so you had better make sure that you are never caught in a lie yourself.

 

The majority of chargers on PlugShare Thailand are not 3-5kW, so that makes you a liar.

 

The filter is not giving you accurate information and I have explained the reason for that. Most chargers have a photo and can clearly when it’s a DC charger 

[Skipalongcassidy]

41 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

You seem very keen to call people liars, so you had better make sure that you are never caught in a lie yourself.

 

The majority of chargers on PlugShare Thailand are not 3-5kW, so that makes you a liar.

 

I guess this disproves this statement from another ev OP... "We EV owners are not arrogant at all."

[Gweiloman]

14 hours ago, Jake72 said:

 

50kW is not a fast charger, it will take 1-2 hours to charge most EVs. Also I only get 35 when filtering with 50kW+ stations and still they are mostly single stations with only 2 plugs. Note I filter only existing stations, not including planned and future. I think it doesn't help anyone to lie about the charging network available in Thailand.

In EV charging terms, 50kW is considered rapid which is faster/more rapid/quicker/speedier than fast charging so your first statement is technically correct in letter but not in spirit.

 

Technically again, you are also correct in saying that it would take 1-2 hours to charge most EVs from 0-100%. However, this is highly uncommon as most genuine EV owners know (I’m referring here to public charging on road trips). The most efficient way to charge on a road trip is from 10-20% to 80%. On a PEA 50kWh charger, this would take about 40 mins or so. If charging from 30%-80%, the time taken would be even less so 50kW is plenty quick enough.

 

Since you drove a Tesla for a few years in BKK, iirc, how often did you have to wait 1-2 hours at a public charging station to charge your Tesla?

[Gweiloman]

12 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The farcical, ‘EV’s will save the planet’ drive, stemming from the liberal elite in Brussels / Strasbourg, is unravelling at pace. The second hand EV market in the UK has imploded; a huge percentage of initial purchases were from tax incentivised fleet purchases, and nobody wants to buy their 3 year old EV’s with no idea or history of battery degradation.

 

The bubble has well and truly burst in Europe, with thousands that bought EV’s privately scrambling to sell them to return to ICE’s

 

Thailand were behind Europe in being coerced into taking part in this appalling, failed experiment; it will consequently take a bit longer for the realisation of the utter folly to be acknowledged here, which gives any EV owners here a window, albeit a brief one, to sell their cars and get back on the gas.     

I’m extremely impressed that as a non-EV owner, you can so confidently predict what EV owners here are going to do in the near future. Sadly though, you couldn’t be more wrong. As an EV and ICEV owner, I can tell you that I will be highly unlikely to sell my EV to go back to an ICEV. I would be foolish to do that, considering that an EV has so many more advantages over an ICEV.

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I guess this disproves this statement from another ev OP... "We EV owners are not arrogant at all."

I am that poster you are referring to. I don’t see how @Bandersnatch’s comment is arrogant. It’s just pointing out facts.

[transam]

13 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Plan ... really ...

 

While on the road ... Honey, I got to 'P', or I'm hungry ... OK, where's the next PTT EV station this side of the road.  Other side if having to P that bad. 

 

That's some tough planning, don't know how we do it.    I know, you guys just use a bottle while driving on the road for 6 hours.

Oh wait, you have a Celerio .... please stop talking to me.

 

In case you didn't see my other post, on our latest O&A, cost was about ฿2000 vs ฿6000 for petrol is using our ICE version of same car.  No real planning, and doing the exact same, as if owning an ICEV when out & about.

 

AND ... it's more fun to drive, and more comfortable.

You are a typical EV owner, always has an excuse, can't face anothers opinion.

I do not have a Suzuki Celerio, but even that car is Japanese designed, not like your ride, Chinese with a British name to try and give it some credibility.....🤭

 

As for travelling costs, perhaps there are folk out there that it is of no concern, so in your case it's, I must buy a cheap car and I must try and save travelling costs to get bye.......😱............🤭

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

In EV charging terms, 50kW is considered rapid which is faster/more rapid/quicker/speedier than fast charging so your first statement is technically correct in letter but not in spirit.

 

Technically again, you are also correct in saying that it would take 1-2 hours to charge most EVs from 0-100%. However, this is highly uncommon as most genuine EV owners know (I’m referring here to public charging on road trips). The most efficient way to charge on a road trip is from 10-20% to 80%. On a PEA 50kWh charger, this would take about 40 mins or so. If charging from 30%-80%, the time taken would be even less so 50kW is plenty quick enough.

 

Since you drove a Tesla for a few years in BKK, iirc, how often did you have to wait 1-2 hours at a public charging station to charge your Tesla?

We usually charge 30/35-90/95%, as I actually timed it, and 1% loads the same until it gets in the 90+% range.   Up to 95%, then it noticeable slows down, to silly slow.   This applicable to the MG ZS.  That last 5% will take about 20 minutes to load, of so the car states, as we've never hung around to find out.  I would have to be researching and of booking something or trolling AN to be there that long.

 

Although our recent outing, we seemed to stop way more than usual, wife, myself & dog's bladder just don't retain as much, and we seemed to have the munchies more, and I'm not even smoking anything.  We stop, we plug in, then we take care of business, leisurely, as it is on outing, not a work day, and time isn't money.

 

Max time I've been at a charging station is about 45 ish minutes, meaning we were <30%, and topped up to 95%   

 

I don't how he can't see the number of fast chargers (one plug type filtered) that I see on the apps, as showed him the total, along with 3 separate vendors for Chonburi, and hard to believe he had a model 3 and be so impractical with his use & numbers, quoting times of 0-100% as if people are that stupid with their EVs.   Technically true, if you're a total idiot.

 

We took ours down to <18% one time, and never again, as that scared the hell out of me.  As the CS was inop, and next one was just down the road, but if that one would have been iniop      And I didn't want to be that guy, plugging in the granny charger and sleeping in the car at PTT 

[KhunLA]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

You are a typical EV owner, always has an excuse, can't face anothers opinion.

I do not have a Suzuki Celerio, but even that car is Japanese designed, not like your ride, Chinese with a British name to try and give it some credibility.....🤭

 

As for travelling costs, perhaps there are folk out there that it is of no concern, so in your case it's, I must buy a cheap car and I must try and save travelling costs to get bye.......😱............🤭

You sold it ...  good choice, and hope you at least picked up a Neta V, though I know you'll never admit it 

 

Yes, I enjoy saving money while driving a much better performing vehicle.  Who wouldn't ?

 

We have more than enough to get by, thanks for your concern, as retirement and wife & kids future was very well planned.  And growing faster than we can spend it, and kind of mind boggling actually.

 

Opinions are easy to face, it's the fake facts and unrealistic scenarios that trolls post that are silly, and don't deserve replying to, once realizing they are simply trolling.   They are the ones that can't face FACTS.

 

I would never own another vehicle, that uses a fuel, that degrades the parts of the vehicle every time you drive it.  That's just stupid.  And pay for that stupidity.  Petrol knocking of 40 baht again, and EV owners are the idiots.

 

Let that one sink in .... take as long as you need,  Don't hurt yourself.

 

 

[UWEB]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

blatantly lied ... as I suspected

 

BYE BYE

 

Use better apps, get better info

FYI ... Chonburi screenshot is for charging station that use this plug (only one filtered), which is for fast charging:

 

Again, this is what's available, using that plug, so please point out the deception:

 

this is what's on the PlugShare app, and usually not current:

 

 

To add, just the fast charge plugs at PEA:

 

 

I don't have EV Station app on my phone, but here's a not up to date from Gmap,

and usually located at PTT staions:

:

 

CAN'T FIND A FAST CHARGER ... YOU'RE NOT LOOKING VERY HARD

 

 

 

Which App you are using here?

 

[Bandersnatch]

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I guess this disproves this statement from another ev OP... "We EV owners are not arrogant at all."

Why don’t you read the 5,000+ comments in this discussion and you will soon discern a pattern.
 

When the discussion is between EV owners or EV owners and those considering EV ownership, the discussion is civil and friendly.

 

Then when EV Haters arrive with their ignorance and lies the tone changes. 
 

Why don’t you stick to your discussions about attractive Ladyboys and leave discussions about EVs in Thailand to those who actually know what they’re talking about.

[KhunLA]

43 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Which App you are using here?

 

I use Charge Loma for quick reference, as has all the vendors, although I only filter the 4 that we use, not all of them as shown above.   Yes, that screenshot is from the Charge Loma app. on GPlay

That also is not current, and you'll need the individual vendor apps, for current info.   Which you need anyway when actually charging at CSs.   They have up to date locations, if operating, and if being used, how many plugs open & available.   All quite simple once past the learning curve.

 

[JBChiangRai]

Did I read HEV/PHEV sales declined last year in Thailand? Or did I read that for the UK or dream it?

[KhunLA]

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That also is not current, and you'll need the individual vendor apps, for current info.   Which you need anyway when actually charging at CSs.   They have up to date locations, if operating, and if being used, how many plugs open & available.   All quite simple once past the learning curve.

 

To add to that, some vendor's apps allow you to reserve a time slot, with a cancellation time period, if not showing up.  We don't bother with reserving, as usually a spur of the moment decision to pull into a PTT anyway, as not really to charge the car.   Just gets charged while we are there, as seems silly not to, since there.

 

If traveling on weekends a lot, I read Q's do exist, so reserving may be beneficial.   Only time we actually reserve, is if we are going to a MG charger at the dealer.   MG only allows you to reserve 15 mins before arrival anyway, and restricted to MG 'member card' holders, issued to MG owners.   Although the charger will accept other EVs, as long as you have a registered card.

 

HAPPY MOTORING

@UWEB Here's 2 threads that don't get much airtime, one for 'real ev users experience' and one for 'Charging Stations'

 

[transam]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

You sold it ...  good choice, and hope you at least picked up a Neta V, though I know you'll never admit it 

 

Yes, I enjoy saving money while driving a much better performing vehicle.  Who wouldn't ?

 

We have more than enough to get by, thanks for your concern, as retirement and wife & kids future was very well planned.  And growing faster than we can spend it, and kind of mind boggling actually.

 

Opinions are easy to face, it's the fake facts and unrealistic scenarios that trolls post that are silly, and don't deserve replying to, once realizing they are simply trolling.   They are the ones that can't face FACTS.

 

I would never own another vehicle, that uses a fuel, that degrades the parts of the vehicle every time you drive it.  That's just stupid.  And pay for that stupidity.  Petrol knocking of 40 baht again, and EV owners are the idiots.

 

Let that one sink in .... take as long as you need,  Don't hurt yourself.

 

 

As I said, EV owners always come up with excuses, you have just done it again......😂

"You sold it", chummy, I haven't sold anything..........🤭

And it seems to you an EV can never goes wrong...........😂

 

Well, that has been fun this morning..........

[JBChiangRai]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

As I said, EV owners always come up with excuses, you have just done it again......😂

"You sold it", chummy, I haven't sold anything..........🤭

And it seems to you an EV can never goes wrong...........😂

 

Well, that has been fun this morning..........

What did you replace your wife’s Celerio with?

[KhunLA]

47 minutes ago, transam said:

As I said, EV owners always come up with excuses, you have just done it again......😂

"You sold it", chummy, I haven't sold anything..........🤭

And it seems to you an EV can never goes wrong...........😂

 

Well, that has been fun this morning..........

Certainly never stated that anywhere, or ever will.   Electronic, especially newer tech is always going to be quirky and have it's issues.   MG solved most with the ZS over the past 5 yrs.   Not that I would have been one of the first to buy, lesson learned long ago, but would have kept me from buying in 5 yrs ago, if thinking that way.

 

I have a couple functions (driver assist) disabled, as not a fan, and they need perfecting, especially on Thai road.   Though quite happy with the rest of the car.

[transam]

40 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

What did you replace your wife’s Celerio with?

Nothing, 10 years old now, still drives fine......

[KhunLA]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

Nothing, 10 years old now, still drives fine......

Did you replace your truck yet ?

[transam]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Did you replace your truck yet ?

I sold that about 5 years back, I here it is still running fine, though a problem with the auto box, which they fixed, they love it, 4x4 and all, near 17 years old now, of course, it is a Toyota......................

[ExpatOilWorker]

15 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Are you talking about Europe on planet Earth or another planet?   Notice in the chart below the green color bars (partially or fully electric) are still getting bigger as of Jan 2024 while the brown color bars (ICEV) are getting smaller.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-new-car-sales-rise-12-yy-january-acea-2024-02-20/#:~:text=EVs - whether fully electric models,down from 53.3% in December.&text=U.S. EV pioneer Tesla (TSLA,in EU sales in January.

 

 

That is very interesting.  The Euro zone is of course a much bigger and diversed market, but also a more mature EV market. 

At 20% EV sales, Thailand is already double the EU numbers. 

Asia is generally faster at adopting new technology and Europe has not been exposed to the Chinese shock, but it could also be that Thailand has overshoot the target and sales will fall a bit, like we already saw in February. 

[transam]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

I sold that about 5 years back, I here it is still running fine, though a problem with the auto box, which they fixed, they love it, 4x4 and all, near 17 years old now, of course, it is a Toyota......................

Who posted a "sad", I'm not sad, I got good money for it..............................

[KhunLA]

28 minutes ago, transam said:

I sold that about 5 years back, I here it is still running fine, though a problem with the auto box, which they fixed, they love it, 4x4 and all, near 17 years old now, of course, it is a Toyota......................

OK ... so just the Celerio at house for transport.   Well that's certainly cheap enough, just not Chinse cheap ...

... Got it 👍

 

... sad emoji ... wasn't me 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

OK ... so just the Celerio at house for transport.   Well that's certainly cheap enough, just not Chinse cheap ...

... Got it 👍

 

... sad emoji ... wasn't me 

Yep, I no longer need a personal ride, just a convenience on standby is enough. No more Volvo, Merc, Pontiac, or Toyota.........🤭

[ExpatOilWorker]

13 hours ago, vinny41 said:

That snapshot from the FTI  only shows partial year not full year for 2023

For the entire last year, domestic auto sales fell 8.67 percent from a year earlier to 775,780 units, of which 30.75 percent were ICE passenger cars, 11.98 percent were HEVs, and 9.48 percent were BEVs, the statement said.

https://english.news.cn/asiapacific/20240130/66e3419a1be742708839fb1cd4ce47c6/c.html

Very well spotted, you certainly have an eye for numbers.

Also, let's not forget BEV sales in Thailand are down 35.6% y-o-y in February 2024.

[JBChiangRai]

3 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Very well spotted, you certainly have an eye for numbers.

Also, let's not forget BEV sales in Thailand are down 35.6% y-o-y in February 2024.

One swallow does not assign make, I’ve told you this before, pay attention

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Very well spotted, you certainly have an eye for numbers.

Also, let's not forget BEV sales in Thailand are down 35.6% y-o-y in February 2024.

I expect all car sales including BEV will be down this year and here is some of the reasons why

At the moment the average interest rate on new cars is 10% per year as dealers tend to advise customers to take out a 7 or 8 year finance agreement lower monthly payments for customer higher commission fees from Finance lenders to dealers

At the moment 50% of all car loan applications are rejected

F.T.I. reveals 50% loan rejection for car purchases

https://www.bangkokbiznews.com/business/economic/1114429

Government has stated average household debt very  high at 90.9% of GDP are are looking at measures to reduce average household debt to below 80% of GDP

Inflation

Cost of Living

300,000 additional  cars were repossessed in 2023 over and above the normal repossessed rate of 150,000-180,000 and its forecast that between 250,000-300,000 cars over and above the normal repossessed rate will be repossessed in 2024

https://theactive.net/news/economy-20230229/

Bank-non-bank Strictly granting car loans Call for a 30% down payment to reduce bad debts and repossess cars.

https://www.bangkokbiznews.com/finance/investment/1118155

I have seen dealers when it comes to finance deals any discounts are applied to the down payment section reducing 15% down payment down to as low as 5% they never apply the discounts to the finance part of the cost as any reduction there would mean a reduction on their commission

 

[Bandersnatch]

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Did I read HEV/PHEV sales declined last year in Thailand? Or did I read that for the UK or dream it?

HEVs up

PHEVs down

BEV UP 🆙 🆙 ⬆️ 

 

 

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

There is often all kinds of deals done “off-paper”.

 

I used to buy the last few unsold apartment units in new apartment blocks  in central london near tube stations as buy-to-let investments.

 

The major developers could all be persuaded to pay legal fees, stamp duty, furniture packs and sometimes even up to 3 months mortgage payments, long enough for my team to get tenants in.  All I had to fund was the 15% mortgage deposit. This was my pension scheme from the age of 40.

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

Lots of rumors on FB about the CyberTruck. The Tesla Thailand website still has the CT as “Learn” not order