Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[wprime]

On 12/7/2022 at 12:12 PM, Bandersnatch said:

Thanks to Richard Barrow in Bangkok for posting these slides to Facebook - I wasn't able to get a clear picture from the live stream

 

 

 

Anybody interested in buying a secondhand Tesla?  

 

 

 

 

Those prices are insanely cheap for Thailand.

 

I suspect Tesla is trying to flood the market with EVs in order to attract more investment in charging stations.

 

Might be a great time to buy, especially with the plan to cut the tax incentive in 2023.

[wprime]

Anyone here ordered the Model Y? When is delivery expected?

[vinny41]

On 12/10/2022 at 3:08 AM, Andrew Dwyer said:

I would assume the first picture is more recent as all the sales are down in the second.

 

Expected MG to be further up the list with their ZS and EP EV’s , plus their recently released MG4 EV , maybe need to improve their freebies ??

 

Would like to see a bigger breakdown of car sales at the Motor Show.

Figures up to December 9th here

1) Toyota 3,482

2) Honda 1,897

3) ISUZU 1,760

4) Nissan 1,319

5) BYD 1,253

6) MG 1,236

https://www.motorexpo.co.th/bestselling/

 

Its unlikely that they will ever publish but what would be interesting is a list by brand of vehicles ordered during the March 2022 motor show and are still waiting to be delivered

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by vinny41
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[wprime]

On 4/22/2022 at 10:41 AM, Bandersnatch said:

The cost of electricity in Thailand is cheap. The UK is now about ฿17/kWh.

 

T.O.U. rate overnight in Thailand is ฿2.6/kWh

Well I get charged 5 baht/kwh at my condo.

 

I have a 25.4kwh battery, a full charge consumes about 33.9kwh = 169 baht, that goes about 75km cruising on a highway.

 

With the ICE I get 5.5L/100km on the highway = 4.125L/75km = 142 baht.

 

Now I'm sure a real EV that didn't have to lug around an ICE with it can achieve a little better economy, and people living in houses can get cheaper electricity, but the real-world savings are still a little overstated.

 

But, in BKK there are heaps of free EV charging stations...

 

 

 

[MJCM]

12 minutes ago, wprime said:

Well I get charged 5 baht/kwh at my condo.

 

That is not the Official Rate but a rate what the Condo charges. (some condo's / apartments even charge 8 THB / kWh), if you get your OWN PEA / MEA meter then the rate will be much lower.

 

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, wprime said:

Anyone here ordered the Model Y? When is delivery expected?

I haven’t ordered yet, but deliveries are expected Q1 2023. Inventory at the Shanghai plant is building and Tesla is offering incentives in China if you buy from inventory. 

[mistral53]

On 12/11/2022 at 12:10 PM, wprime said:

Anyone here ordered the Model Y? When is delivery expected?

I ordered the Model 3 LR - delivery is indicated 'within 6 months of order confirmation', so it could be as late as middle of June 2023. But I have to test drive it first, if the ride is as 'wooden' as many commenters on YT indicate, it would be a 'no go' for me.

[vinny41]

Total cars & motorcycles booked in MOTOR EXPO 2022

 

1) Toyota   6,064

2) Honda   3,252

3) BYD        2,714 ( 1,013 ordered on last day December 12th)

4) ISUZU    2,648

5) NISSAN  2,478

6) SUZUKI  2,464

7) MG         2,443

9) GWM      1,995

15) NETA     827

https://www.motorexpo.co.th/bestselling/

[Bandersnatch]

Those of us who have been watching the EV market in Thailand for a while have become used to seeing high prices for EVs. Back in 2018 I attended the Bangkok motor show looking for an EV and the Nissan Leaf was probably the cheapest at 2 million Baht.

 

 

 

So at ฿1,959,000 are we being overcharged by Tesla for the Model Y RWD in Thailand?

 

This video shows The price of the Model Y in all countries that it’s sold.

 

 

[macahoom]

27 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have never seen anything like this in my life. 

We're not talking about a loss leader in a supermarket here. This is quite unbelievable!

 

Tesla: Talk about throwing the cat amongst the pigeons!

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, macahoom said:

I have never seen anything like this in my life. 

We're not talking about a loss leader in a supermarket here. This is quite unbelievable!

 

Tesla: Talk about throwing the cat amongst the pigeons!

Nissan offer was a limited offer last July to get rid of their final stock of 40 cars nationwide some vehicles may have been in showrooms for 2 years

Display cars are new cars that have never been registered before. As for warranty, customers have to ask for specific cars once more. There is a limited number of about 40 cars nationwide,

https://autolifethailand.tv/final-call-nissan-leaf-ev-bev-959000/

[macahoom]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As for warranty, customers have to ask for specific cars once more.

Can you explain what you mean by this, please?

[vinny41]

BYD 

Over 10,000 cars in just 1 month 12 days.

Today is the last day to book ATTO 3 at all showrooms nationwide.

New reservations suspend until further notice

https://www.dailynews.co.th/news/1782813/

 

A number of countries selling BYD have announce 10% price increase from January 1st 2023

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3910805-chinese-ev-maker-byd-to-raise-prices-from-jan-1-on-higher-raw-material-cost-subsidy-end

 

[Bandersnatch]

10 hours ago, mistral53 said:

I ordered the Model 3 LR - delivery is indicated 'within 6 months of order confirmation', so it could be as late as middle of June 2023. But I have to test drive it first, if the ride is as 'wooden' as many commenters on YT indicate, it would be a 'no go' for me.

@mistral53 do keep us posted on your experiences. I for one will have questions and I am sure many others will have too.

 

It’s normal in Thailand to get a free 1 year of First Class insurance with a new car. There was nothing on the Tesla website about insurance. Tesla does sell it’s own insurance in some states in the USA. Some FB groups are saying insurance can cost ฿50,000 which is what you would pay for a similar priced BMW.

 

All the reviews I have seen claim that Teslas have a firm ride, with the Y being worse and on both models being worse the bigger the wheels you choose.

 

The model Y has recently been released with “comfort suspension” which slightly less firm.

 

 

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, macahoom said:

Can you explain what you mean by this, please?

Normally if any dealership has used models as demo cars and attached red plates then the warranty starts from that date.

I seen some dealerships selling older by manufacturing year  brand new cars with a reduced amount of warranty ( number of months ) 

Edited December 13, 2022 by vinny41
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[Bandersnatch]

“Tesla reservations for its Model 3 and Model Y vehicles have been skyrocketing in Thailand. Tesla has received more than 5,000 Model 3 and Model Y orders since launching in Thailand”

 

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-thailand-model-y-model-3-reservations/

 

[KhunLA]

Free market & competition is a beautiful thing.  Capitalisms works if you let it.

[Klonko]

If you contemplate buying a Tesla Model 3, check if your driveway works with low ground clearance or if Tesla's Thai version has increased ground clearance. Due to the battery, the bottom is flat. You may have no problems at the front and back, but the middle part may scratch if you cannot cross steeper ledges diagonally. Apart from that 2 mio THB is good value for money.

[JBChiangRai]

I expect Tesla prices to slide in Thailand to the price in China.

 

Registered companies can import Tesla's made in China without tax, the model 3 is 1.3M baht in China.

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I expect Tesla prices to slide in Thailand to the price in China.

 

Registered companies can import Tesla's made in China without tax, the model 3 is 1.3M baht in China.

EV competitive of the 'many' manufacturers and models available is stiff in CH.

 

Not so much here, so it's priced for the TH market.  Don't think it will change much, especially since the demand for Tesla is extremely high.  Surpassed everything else in the price range, I think, with just the first round of orders.

 

Impressive.

Edited December 13, 2022 by KhunLA

[Bandersnatch]

17 hours ago, Klonko said:

If you contemplate buying a Tesla Model 3, check if your driveway works with low ground clearance or if Tesla's Thai version has increased ground clearance. Due to the battery, the bottom is flat. You may have no problems at the front and back, but the middle part may scratch if you cannot cross steeper ledges diagonally. Apart from that 2 mio THB is good value for money.

Anybody concerned with ground clearance here are the facts:

 

[vinny41]

Tesla is looking for charging station owners

https://www.tesla.com/th_th/host-a-supercharger

[Henryford]

On 4/23/2022 at 12:46 PM, Sophon said:

PlugShare has a pretty good overview of Thai charging stations.

 

Edit: In my opinion the Thai charging network is now fine for charging on road trips, but I wouldn't buy an EV if I wasn't able to charge at home for day to day use.  

My concern about charging on road trips is OK there might be a network but when you get there a) will it be working and b) will someone else be there using it. 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

Anybody concerned with ground clearance here are the facts:

 

Ground clearance ... seriously, the new anti-EV'ers warning ????

 

MG ZS EV 161mm without psgrs

Tesla Y 171mm w/psgrs

Tesla 3 140mm w/psgrs

 

Toyota Camry 160mm

Honda Accord 131mm

 

Simply more silliness from the anti-EV'ers.

 

[macahoom]

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 w/psgrs

What's this, please?

 

Edit: I just worked it out but it would be helpful if you typed all the letters.

 

It's with passengers.

Edited December 14, 2022 by macahoom

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, macahoom said:

What's this, please?

 

Edit: I just worked it out but it would be helpful if you typed all the letters.

 

It's with passengers.

oops ... old habits of working for airlines.

[JBChiangRai]

22 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Ground clearance ... seriously, the new anti-EV'ers warning ????

 

MG ZS EV 161mm without psgrs

Tesla Y 171mm w/psgrs

Tesla 3 140mm w/psgrs

 

Toyota Camry 160mm

Honda Accord 131mm

 

Simply more silliness from the anti-EV'ers.

 

My EV has switchable ground clearance from 98mm to 140mm, mostly I drive it on 98mm, ride is comfortable and I only lift it for awkward situations.

[josephbloggs]

I read a good article on EVs the other day which puts to bed many anti-EV myths - several of which you can find in this thread (coal powered, blah blah).

https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Ground clearance ... seriously, the new anti-EV'ers warning ????

 

MG ZS EV 161mm without psgrs

Tesla Y 171mm w/psgrs

Tesla 3 140mm w/psgrs

 

Toyota Camry 160mm

Honda Accord 131mm

 

Simply more silliness from the anti-EV'ers.

 

The only  silliness I see on this forum is from people that are unable to accept that there are valid concerns over Ground clearance especially when 80% of the total vehicle cost is close to the ground

Example  Ora Good Cat

Minimum distance to ground clearance 145 mm.

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-ora-good-cat-gov/

 

Inital an owner was advised that they would require a new battery as since the cost was  70% of the sum insured the insurance company wanted to write the car off

https://www.carwizard.co.th/oragoodcat-battery

 

However on further inspection it was found that Battery was fine just the Battery cover needs replacing

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by vinny41
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[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The only  silliness I see on this forum is from people that are unable to accept that there are valid concerns over Ground clearance especially when 80% of the total vehicle cost is close to the ground

Example  Ora Good Cat

Minimum distance to ground clearance 145 mm.

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-ora-good-cat-gov/

 

Inital an owner was advised that they would require a new battery as since the cost was  70% of the sum insured the insurance company wanted to write the car off

https://www.carwizard.co.th/oragoodcat-battery

 

Wow, 145mm, 14mm more than the Honda Accord ... ????

You better get on the Honda Accord sites and warn everyone ... ????

 

YES ... PURE SILLINESS

ignored

Edited December 14, 2022 by KhunLA