Knocking on 500 replies.  This has been an entertaining and enlightening thread.  

 

Mixed with extreme ignorance, bigotry, and comically exposing the high number of closeted bisexuals, that are in denial ????

 

My personal opinion, consenting adults can enjoy whatever they like or prefer.  Nothing is deviate, or deviates from the normal, as there is no such thing as normal.  Only what special interest groups try to force on people, as their accepted normal.

3 hours ago, Jotnar said:

Knocking on 500 replies.  This has been an entertaining and enlightening thread.  

 

Mixed with extreme ignorance, bigotry, and comically exposing the high number of closeted bisexuals, that are in denial ????

 

My personal opinion, consenting adults can enjoy whatever they like or prefer.  Nothing is deviate, or deviates from the normal, as there is no such thing as normal.  Only what special interest groups try to force on people, as their accepted normal.

A man that identifies as straight who is attracted to LBs is not usually a closeted bisexual. 

 

Typically bisexuals are attracted to cisgender males and cisgender females.

 

LBs present as females so male attraction to them is usually rooted in heterosexual desire.

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A man that identifies as straight who is attracted to LBs is not usually a closeted bisexual. 

 

Typically bisexuals are attracted to cisgender males and cisgender females.

 

LBs present as females so male attraction to them is usually rooted in heterosexual desire.

'present as females' is a stretch.  May be what they tell themselves, but as pointed out earlier, they are not chicks w/dicks, simply men w/implants.  The ones most farangs come in contact with in 'entertainment/bar' zones.

 

I've seen many in the villages, older, that in the western world, would simply be called 'crossdressers' and a stretch also, as few actually wearing dresses and blouses, or would simply be called  'gay/bisexual', but with definitely a bit of obvious make up.

 

I find 'ladyboy' an extremely silly term.  But we are in the LOS / silliness.

1 minute ago, Jotnar said:

'present as females' is a stretch.  May be what they tell themselves, but as pointed out earlier, they are not chicks w/dicks, simply men w/implants.  The ones most farangs come in contact with in 'entertainment/bar' zones.

 

I've seen many in the villages, older, that in the western world, would simply be called 'crossdressers' and a stretch also, as few actually wearing dresses and blouses, or would simply be called  'gay/bisexual', but with definitely a bit of obvious make up.

 

I find 'ladyboy' an extremely silly term.  But we are in the LOS / silliness.

The culture here is different than the west and so is the language to describe that culture  Thais say: women of the second kind. Who is attracted to women of any kind? Mostly straight men.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

YOU said it was.

 

Your words:

 

 

I await those who claim that a man having sex with another man is not deviant.

 

You know perfectly well and you mentioned it too that labeling people SEXUALLY DEVIANT opens them up to harmful stigma and discrimination. Promoting calling same sex deviant is very noxious to your so called best friends.

 

Do they know that you consider them sexual deviants?

 

Yeah, there's certainly a subtext of homophobia underneath the whole "I just need to label men who like ladyboys as gay and be clear that being gay is bad" from some users.

 

I wonder why anyone would object to that? /s

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Yeah, there's certainly a subtext of homophobia underneath the whole "I just need to label men who like ladyboys as gay and be clear that being gay is bad" from some users.

 

I wonder why anyone would object to that? /s

Obviously.

It comes from a place of heteronormative presumed superiority. It's thoroughly conditioned in.

Its one thing for people to feel that way.

Its another level to try to aggressively force perceived gender norms on others.

That is what bullies do.

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

A new alphabet is need me thinks.

GM = Girly Man?

8 minutes ago, Jotnar said:

'present as females' is a stretch.  May be what they tell themselves, but as pointed out earlier, they are not chicks w/dicks, simply men w/implants.  The ones most farangs come in contact with in 'entertainment/bar' zones.

Does it really matter, if they look like a woman and the person dating them believes them to be, or have the body of, a woman?

 

This kind of response suggests an attitude of "Ha, no, actually they're a man, so you're gay, got you!"

 

Their biological sex is less important if they look like a woman and their partner considers them a woman. It almost becomes a semantic argument.

 

The fact that they're a ladyboy kind of covers them having a penis, so it isn't like they're trying to fool anyone.

Real men do not like lady boys

 

It's quite interesting that so many expats are quite happy to take advantage of the Thai attitude to sexuality where it means beautiful young women will have sex with them for a relatively small amount of money, yey they seem to object quite fiercely to the Thai concept of a ladyboy being a woman with a penis.

 

Everything's free and easy, sabai sabai, until someone does something you don't like?

27 minutes ago, Misab said:

Real men do not like lady boys

 

But real real men are gay men and gay men are not into LBs.

 

 

24 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

It's quite interesting that so many expats are quite happy to take advantage of the Thai attitude to sexuality where it means beautiful young women will have sex with them for a relatively small amount of money, yey they seem to object quite fiercely to the Thai concept of a ladyboy being a woman with a penis.

 

Everything's free and easy, sabai sabai, until someone does something you don't like?

No, its a man with female style enhancements

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

But real real men are gay men and gay men are not into LBs.

 

I am really upset and offended by the heterophobia on display , all we want is equality and to be treated normally 

10 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

No, its a man with female style enhancements

Those "enhancements" are attractive to some straight men. Bi and gay men for the most part are looking for cisgender men.

Ask the LBs.

They will tell you about the straight men.

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am really upset and offended by the heterophobia on display , all we want is equality and to be treated normally 

In every country in the world heterosexual men are socially dominant. You have nothing to complain about.

16 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

No, its a man with female style enhancements

To make "him" to appear to be a woman though, right?

47 minutes ago, Misab said:

Real men do not like lady boys

Good luck finding real men.   Real men wouldn't be on this thread ????

 

Especially 17 pages deep.

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5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

To make "him" to appear to be a woman though, right?

My point was its  NOT  a woman with a penis !a s you said, its a male with female enhancements.

Ladyboy, simply a warm place to put your best friend/penis in, or to have someone else's best friend put inside you, which ever or all orifice that may involve.

 

Just enjoy it, and don't try to characterize it with adjectives & pronouns, to justify something it is not.  2 gender in my world, from birth, male/female, with/without, and what consenting adults do, simply enjoy it.  Don't over think it.

6 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

My point was its NOT a woman with a penis! as you said, its a male with female enhancements.

Sure, that's one opinion. Some people clearly have a different opinion. That it is a woman with a penis.

28 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Sure, that's one opinion. Some people clearly have a different opinion. That it is a woman with a penis.

So you're at the glory hole, sucking away, are you gay, bisexual, or simply happy ?

4 minutes ago, Jotnar said:

So you're at the glory hole, sucking away, are you gay, bisexual, or simply happy ?

You are supposed to be on the other side of the glory hole .

Maybe you went in the wrong entrance ?

5 minutes ago, Jotnar said:

So you're at the glory hole, sucking away, are you gay, bisexual, or simply happy ?

Cute.

That's about male genitals without context.

A male context would be assumed in that context sans any conflicting information.

 

A LB on.the other hand presents her whole self in the context of a female presentation. In that case her D if it happens to be revealed is loaded with context. Female context.

 

As everyone should know by now, the most important sex organ is the BRAIN.

53 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Sure, that's one opinion. Some people clearly have a different opinion. That it is a woman with a penis.

Except that is physiologicalyy impossible. The DNA is MALE so it cannot be a  woman can it.

 

25 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Except that is physiologicalyy impossible. The DNA is MALE so it cannot be a  woman can it.

 

There are actual biological intersex people.

1 hour ago, Jotnar said:

So you're at the glory hole, sucking away, are you gay, bisexual, or simply happy ?

I guess it's whatever you want it to be.

49 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

The DNA is MALE so it cannot be a  woman can it.

 

The DNA is male, sure, but that's all it really tells you.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

There are actual biological intersex people.

Didnt know that, thank you for the prompt to educate myself.

 

"It is estimated that up to 1.7 percent of the population has an intersex trait and that approximately 0.5 percent of people have clinically identifiable sexual or reproductive variations."

3 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

It's yey they seem to object quite fiercely to the Thai concept of a ladyboy being a woman with a penis.

 

 

Only the woke lot back in the west are trying to get trans included as women, the rest don't like it particularly in sport.

 

On this thread no one cares they are just making the point you can't be banging LBs or getting banged by them and still be straight, simple as that. They may disagree but they are wrong.

 

The other major point is just because we query the logic still being straight it doesn't mean we'll suppressing secret LB feelings.

 

If you could just accept those two things we could move on

 

35 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Only the woke lot back in the west are trying to get trans included as women, the rest don't like it particularly in sport.

 

On this thread no one cares they are just making the point you can't be banging LBs or getting banged by them and still be straight, simple as that. They may disagree but they are wrong.

 

The other major point is just because we query the logic still being straight it doesn't mean we'll suppressing secret LB feelings.

 

If you could just accept those two things we could move on

 

No!!

 

Sex acts are not the same thing as sexual orientation identity.

If it was every straight man or woman in prison who has consensual same sex sex or love would not be straight anymore.

 

No issue with your second point.

 

Stop insisting that everyone needs to agree with you on your first point. Ain't gonna happen.