Frustrated with Pattaya beach deckchair businesses!

[Bruno123]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

I think you will see market forces, and competition from neighboring countries, play a part in the demise of these rip offs in the future. 

 

 

???? Wishful thinking on your part.

There will always be attempts at dual pricing. 

Thailand still has some USPs over their rivals.

[Leaver]

6 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

 

???? Wishful thinking on your part.

There will always be attempts at dual pricing. 

Thailand still has some USPs over their rivals.

 

We were seeing it pre covid.  The main tourist demographic here were Chinese, and they don't do deck chairs, and many other tradition scams by Thai's.  Infact, they really only do Thai nominee Chinese companies.  ???? 

 

What UPS's does Thailand have?  They are still stuck in their old ways.  The can continue with their dual pricing, scams, rip offs, over charging, bill padding, collusion and mafia tactics all they like, but the victims were dwindling in numbers pre covid, and will decline even future going forward. 

 

What has been built in recent times for the benefit of tourists, or the tourism industry here?  They can't even build a decent side walk here.

 

Meanwhile, just down the road, world record breaking tourism infrastructure is being built in Vietnam.

 

 

 

 

[Bruno123]

15 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

We were seeing it pre covid.  The main tourist demographic here were Chinese, and they don't do deck chairs, and many other tradition scams by Thai's.  Infact, they really only do Thai nominee Chinese companies.  ???? 

 

What UPS's does Thailand have?  They are still stuck in their old ways.  The can continue with their dual pricing, scams, rip offs, over charging, bill padding, collusion and mafia tactics all they like, but the victims were dwindling in numbers pre covid, and will decline even future going forward. 

 

What has been built in recent times for the benefit of tourists, or the tourism industry here?  They can't even build a decent side walk here.

 

Meanwhile, just down the road, world record breaking tourism infrastructure is being built in Vietnam.

 

 

 

 

 

Remind me of the last time you heard anyone praise the sidewalks of any country.

Sorry but I haven't ever travelled anywhere to ride on a cable car. Do that once or twice, then what?

 

People travel to Thailand for the relatively relaxing lifestyle and pragmatism; rather than the stress and a million rules to which to be adhered from which they escape.

 

Now that cannabis has been recognised as beneficial and legalised, that is going to make a difference.

That, together with the existing 'wellness' industry is a USP. Some people travel to Thailand to drink as much as they can thinking that they are having a great time. Others may take the opportunity to de-stress and use natural remedies in order to help them do so. A healthier lifestyle so to speak.

 

Of course you always get the idiots who shout 'drugs!' and that only alcohol is acceptable. That's why they are idiots.

 

So people will travel to Thailand to relax and to improve their health. Not everyone who travels to Thailand is a drunken sex pest.

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Bruno123

[d4dang]

btw the chair resort operators pay rent to the "owners" of the zone plus the BIB plus the Municipal Police. Unlike the massage. manicure, fruit and plastic sellers the chair people can't run away so they try flexible pricing for tourists which is rude and ensures empty chairs. Find a family run honest chair resort with parents and kids and enjoy. Try Jomtien Soi 12.

[Leaver]

53 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Remind me of the last time you heard anyone praise the sidewalks of any country.

 

Remind me of the last time you heard criticism of sidewalks in other countries. 

 

53 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Sorry but I haven't ever travelled anywhere to ride on a cable car. Do that once or twice, then what?

 

Point being, a nearby country, which is supposedly poorer, is building world record breaking tourism infrastructure.  

 

The question again, what has Thailand built in recent years to benefit tourists or their tourism industry?  They can't even build or maintain a sidewalk properly here. 

 

53 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

People travel to Thailand for the relatively relaxing lifestyle and pragmatism; rather than the stress and a million rules to which to be adhered from which they escape.

 

Which describes most countries in South East Asia.

 

53 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Now that cannabis has been recognised as beneficial and legalised, that is going to make a difference.

That, together with the existing 'wellness' industry is a USP. Some people travel to Thailand to drink as much as they can thinking that they are having a great time. Others may take the opportunity to de-stress and use natural remedies in order to help them do so. A healthier lifestyle so to speak.

 

I agree.  Thailand is offering this, but legalizing something isn't a tourism infrastructure project, is it?

 

53 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

So people will travel to Thailand to relax and to improve their health. Not everyone who travels to Thailand is a drunken sex pest.

 

Sure, but will they come to Thailand in the big numbers Thailand is used to?

 

2019 was the quietest high season I had ever seen, and covid had nothing to do with it. 

 

I know it seems like so long ago, due to covid, but things were not so great here for businesses back in 2019, and I don't think cannabis alone is going to turn that around.  

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Leaver

[Bruno123]

57 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Remind me of the last time you heard criticism of sidewalks in other countries. 

 

 

Point being, a nearby country, which is supposedly poorer, is building world record breaking tourism infrastructure.  

 

The question again, what has Thailand built in recent years to benefit tourists or their tourism industry?  They can't even build or maintain a sidewalk properly here. 

 

 

Which describes most countries in South East Asia.

 

 

I agree.  Thailand is offering this, but legalizing something isn't a tourism infrastructure project, is it?

 

 

Sure, but will they come to Thailand in the big numbers Thailand is used to?

 

2019 was the quietest high season I had ever seen, and covid had nothing to do with it. 

 

I know it seems like so long ago, due to covid, but things were not so great here for businesses back in 2019, and I don't think cannabis alone is going to turn that around.  

 

 

It's only you who mentioned "tourism infrastructure project"; I actually wrote USP.

 

They don't need to come in the big numbers as before. They just need to come. It's just another string to the bow.

 

Things change; adapt or die.

[cdemundo]

Just to keep the level of anger going...

I don't think anyone has brought this up but...

 

The OP has stated (IIRC) that language barrier cannot be a problem since the conversations with the vendor were in Thai.

Has the OP considered that he is not as fluent in Thai as he thinks he is?

Maybe he is mangling the Thai language and that is where the animosity comes from?

Just a thought, but it is not unheard of for people to overestimate their language skills in second (or third) languages.

 

[bmanly]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

We were seeing it pre covid.  The main tourist demographic here were Chinese, and they don't do deck chairs, and many other tradition scams by Thai's.  Infact, they really only do Thai nominee Chinese companies.  ???? 

 

What UPS's does Thailand have?  They are still stuck in their old ways.  The can continue with their dual pricing, scams, rip offs, over charging, bill padding, collusion and mafia tactics all they like, but the victims were dwindling in numbers pre covid, and will decline even future going forward. 

 

What has been built in recent times for the benefit of tourists, or the tourism industry here?  They can't even build a decent side walk here.

 

Meanwhile, just down the road, world record breaking tourism infrastructure is being built in Vietnam.

 

 

 

 

Having being to Vietnam I have to disagree. Their restaurants and food are no where near as good as Thailand. The beaches are crowed and mostly only active between 5 am to 8 am, they hate the heat. The bar and go go scene is not as good as Thailand. I really hate sitting low to the ground at a cafe off the street in those tiny chairs. While their might be less mafia situations and better visa conditions I think Thailand is the better option. As for food options, in S/E/Asia Thailand is the best.

[bbko]

10 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

Like I told them when I used to want sit in the beach and told it's 100 baht to rent the chair. 'I don't want to buy the thing" 

So according to you, just to sit in a Pattaya Beach Road chair is 100b? Is that what you're saying?

[Bruno123]

1 hour ago, bbko said:

So according to you, just to sit in a Pattaya Beach Road chair is 100b? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, that is the whole point of the thread. Did you just arrive? We are already on page eight ???? 

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

Like I told them when I used to want sit in the beach and told it's 100 baht to rent the chair. 'I don't want to buy the thing" 

So many years ago, I spent many a day on  a beach just around the corner from The Dusit. Pretty sure it was 30 baht for my deck-chair and small table. The old lady who had the concession made more on the cold drinks and food I ordered during the 3 or 4 hours I was there. She made a great Penang Curry with pork and fried rice, and along with a beer, that set me off for a nap as the sun got low. 

[bbko]

6 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

Yes, that is the whole point of the thread. Did you just arrive? We are already on page eight ???? 

555, I'm far from "just arrive", been living here for almost 15 years.  Not too long ago I sat in a beach road chair....60b.

[The Hammer2021]

I've seen those broke  Cheap Charlie's on beach road - stained cargo shorts and Singha vests- tatty rubber sandals prowling for cheap short time waifs and strays- trying to get 300 baht short time from girls who are broke, addicted or hungry or all three but in fact there's lots of free seating available without them trying to get free  seating from the local businesses. But just imagine what the licensed beach vendors, after two hard years without any business, must be thinking, what they must be saying to each other if some scruffy wanderer, clutching his cheap drink repeatedly approaches your business
several days running, multiple times to argue with them about his right to avail himself  of their services  without paying or buying any food,  or drink and quite possibly driving other customers away. The mind boggles at the tin eared, insensitivity of thankfully, only a minority of entitled foreigners trying to live on the cheap at other people's  expense. It's a bit like when you see white beggars  in Thailand  and India competing with the locals. Its shocking- not just their actions but that THEY CAN'T SEE, CANT UNDERSTAND that what they're doing is shocking. Learn  the local customs, respect  the people, try and engender respect and be prepared to pay for food  drink and seating at beach hut restaurants. It's not actually free just incredibly cheap.

[Leaver]

15 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

 

It's only you who mentioned "tourism infrastructure project"; I actually wrote USP.

 

They don't need to come in the big numbers as before. They just need to come. It's just another string to the bow.

 

Things change; adapt or die.

 

Simple question, really.  What has Thailand built that benefits tourists, and the tourism industry, in recent years? 

 

What are some of the USP's that Thailand has?  Can you name a few? 

 

Obviously, the the size of sex trade is one.  Remember, the "U" stands for Unique.  

[Leaver]

12 hours ago, bmanly said:

Their restaurants and food are no where near as good as Thailand.

 

I disagree.

 

12 hours ago, bmanly said:

The beaches are crowed and mostly only active between 5 am to 8 am, they hate the heat.

 

Which beaches did you go to?

 

12 hours ago, bmanly said:

The bar and go go scene is not as good as Thailand.

 

I agree.

 

12 hours ago, bmanly said:

I really hate sitting low to the ground at a cafe off the street in those tiny chairs.

 

Were you forced to sit in these chairs?

 

12 hours ago, bmanly said:

While their might be less mafia situations

 

Some might be shocked to know the taxis in Vietnam actually use their meter.  ????

 

12 hours ago, bmanly said:

As for food options, in S/E/Asia Thailand is the best.

 

That's a personal choice. 

[GrandPapillon]

On 5/13/2022 at 12:45 AM, BritManToo said:

I always assume people working streets and beaches are criminals waiting for their opportunity to prey on me. So far this assumption has never let me down.

amen to that,

 

it's easy money for lazy people, perfect for petty and retired criminals,

 

that and the bike rental business ????

 

after 2 years of COVID, they are looking for revenge and punish tourists for not coming ????

 

 

Edited May 21, 2022 by GrandPapillon

[Bruno123]

1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said:

I've seen those broke  Cheap Charlie's on beach road - stained cargo shorts and Singha vests- tatty rubber sandals prowling for cheap short time waifs and strays- trying to get 300 baht short time from girls who are broke, addicted or hungry or all three but in fact there's lots of free seating available without them trying to get free  seating from the local businesses. But just imagine what the licensed beach vendors, after two hard years without any business, must be thinking, what they must be saying to each other if some scruffy wanderer, clutching his cheap drink repeatedly approaches your business
several days running, multiple times to argue with them about his right to avail himself  of their services  without paying or buying any food,  or drink and quite possibly driving other customers away. The mind boggles at the tin eared, insensitivity of thankfully, only a minority of entitled foreigners trying to live on the cheap at other people's  expense. It's a bit like when you see white beggars  in Thailand  and India competing with the locals. Its shocking- not just their actions but that THEY CAN'T SEE, CANT UNDERSTAND that what they're doing is shocking. Learn  the local customs, respect  the people, try and engender respect and be prepared to pay for food  drink and seating at beach hut restaurants. It's not actually free just incredibly cheap.

 

What a load.....

 

I haven't seen any foreigner try to pull anyone on the beach for 300 baht.

You just made that all up. A rather shameful and disgusting ploy.

 

Where are you exactly to have seen and heard this? Standing next to them?

I exercise there on a regular basis and hear the girls quoting their prices. Westerners would not ever suggest 300 baht. Southern Asians might.

 

You really have scraped the barrel with your rather obvious ploy.

[Bruno123]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

Simple question, really.  What has Thailand built that benefits tourists, and the tourism industry, in recent years? 

 

What are some of the USP's that Thailand has?  Can you name a few? 

 

Obviously, the the size of sex trade is one.  Remember, the "U" stands for Unique.  

 

I'm not interested in your 'simple question'. Is this an interview with the Prime Minister?

You have already mentioned another USP, so that is two already.

 

Why would I have to name a few? Isn't two enough for you? How about travel infrastructure? 

Do you think a cable car trumps either of the two we have already covered?

 

Give it a rest my friend. Enjoy your time, rather than looking to criticise ALL of the time. Negativity will do you in.

[Leaver]

24 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

 

I'm not interested in your 'simple question'. Is this an interview with the Prime Minister?

You have already mentioned another USP, so that is two already.

 

Why would I have to name a few? Isn't two enough for you? How about travel infrastructure? 

Do you think a cable car trumps either of the two we have already covered?

 

Give it a rest my friend. Enjoy your time, rather than looking to criticise ALL of the time. Negativity will do you in.

 

I just thought you may be able to back up your comments.  Obviously not.  They are nothing but mere opinions, which is fine, but they shouldn't be pawned off as facts. 

 

Good day to you, Sir. 

[LarrySR]

54 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

 

What a load.....

 

I haven't seen any foreigner try to pull anyone on the beach for 300 baht.

You just made that all up. A rather shameful and disgusting ploy.

My ‘thrifty’ neighbor says he pays 300bt and even deducted 60bt to pay for a razor at 7/11 to trim the nasty bush. 
 
I’ve seen them and to be honest, I think he overpays. 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

My ‘thrifty’ neighbor says he pays 300bt and even deducted 60bt to pay for a razor at 7/11 to trim the nasty bush. 
 
I’ve seen them and to be honest, I think he overpays. 

 

Does he get full sex for that .

[LarrySR]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Does he get full sex for that .

Claims he gets six shots away. 

[simon43]

15 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Just to keep the level of anger going...

I don't think anyone has brought this up but...

 

The OP has stated (IIRC) that language barrier cannot be a problem since the conversations with the vendor were in Thai.

Has the OP considered that he is not as fluent in Thai as he thinks he is?

Maybe he is mangling the Thai language and that is where the animosity comes from?

Just a thought, but it is not unheard of for people to overestimate their language skills in second (or third) languages.

 

I am fairly confident that speaking Thai for almost 20 years (and reading and writing for the same length of time), having learnt it to MA level at Chula (blah blah blah), they understand me perfectly!  Unless of course, they are Burmese, in which case I will speak with them in Burmese, or Lao if they are from Laos, or French (but I highly doubt that they are French!).  My Thai language abilities seem to have worked OK as a teacher of Thai for kids in China and as a police volunteer translator for 12 years.  (I could go on and on, but it's getting boring for both myself and other posters to read about my language abilities!!).

 

Anyway, there is no more frustration.  I simply stopped giving them my business and sit in a bar across the road and drink my fixed price coconut juice/seat ????

[Bruno123]

53 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

My ‘thrifty’ neighbor says he pays 300bt and even deducted 60bt to pay for a razor at 7/11 to trim the nasty bush. 
 
I’ve seen them and to be honest, I think he overpays. 

 

There are some homeless people who ply their trade. The less said about that, the better. 

[Leaver]

33 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

My statement was that they have some USP over their rivals.

Name some?

 

33 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Three have been mentioned thus far.

 

Cannabis, and...................................?

 

34 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Are you suggesting that they are not USP? If so, rebutt.....or just wind your neck in.

 

Yes, I am suggesting that.  Not to mention, neighboring countries have UPS's, a BIG one being casinos, with Thailand nowhere near offering that service to tourists. 

 

See below for a casino in Vietnam.

 

https://thegrandhotram.com/casino/

 

So Vietnam is building world record breaking infrastructure for tourists, and offering gambling which Thailand is nowhere near, and you bang on about Thailand's UPS's, and only name one, cannabis, which appeals to a very small percent of tourists.

 

41 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Is there some other comment that I have posted that you feel I have not backed up with facts?

 

Yes, there is. 

 

What has Thailand build to benefit tourists, or the tourism industry, in recent years?  Surely this is an easy question for you to answer about a country that has so many UPS's.  ????

[Leaver]

57 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I am fairly confident that speaking Thai for almost 20 years (and reading and writing for the same length of time), having learnt it to MA level at Chula (blah blah blah), they understand me perfectly!  Unless of course, they are Burmese, in which case I will speak with them in Burmese, or Lao if they are from Laos, or French (but I highly doubt that they are French!).  My Thai language abilities seem to have worked OK as a teacher of Thai for kids in China and as a police volunteer translator for 12 years.  (I could go on and on, but it's getting boring for both myself and other posters to read about my language abilities!!).

 

Anyway, there is no more frustration.  I simply stopped giving them my business and sit in a bar across the road and drink my fixed price coconut juice/seat ????

 

They only language they are interested in here is money, and you did not speak that language to them very well.  ???? 

[2009]

20 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

They only language they are interested in here is money, and you did not speak that language to them very well.  ???? 

They are bottom feeders

[Leaver]

21 minutes ago, 2009 said:

They are bottom feeders

 

Yes, and do untold damage to the tourism industry all across Thailand, followed by taxis in tourist areas. 

[Bruno123]

47 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Name some?

 

 

Cannabis, and...................................?

 

 

Yes, I am suggesting that.  Not to mention, neighboring countries have UPS's, a BIG one being casinos, with Thailand nowhere near offering that service to tourists. 

 

See below for a casino in Vietnam.

 

https://thegrandhotram.com/casino/

 

So Vietnam is building world record breaking infrastructure for tourists, and offering gambling which Thailand is nowhere near, and you bang on about Thailand's UPS's, and only name one, cannabis, which appeals to a very small percent of tourists.

 

 

Yes, there is. 

 

What has Thailand build to benefit tourists, or the tourism industry, in recent years?  Surely this is an easy question for you to answer about a country that has so many UPS's.  ????

 

Go back to read the posts and you will note that we touched on three.

 

Fortunately I have a real life outside the forum, so I'll be getting on with that.

Your posts are becoming more and more long winded and you don't appear to have the ability to understand what has been written.

I wrote about USPs and we touched on three.  I don't need to repeat them.

I haven't bothered to read anything else you have written, as I can see that you aren't paying attention anyway, but simply carrying on with your intended rant regardless.

So enjoy...but without me.

[2009]

31 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Yes, and do untold damage to the tourism industry all across Thailand, followed by taxis in tourist areas. 

Ironically, that's not a bad thing. Lol