8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m in the UK.

 

Refer my earlier post on the mess this place is in.

The UK is in the same mess as the World is . 

The mess has been caused by Covid and the Ukraine war .

Boris having a beer at Christmas hasn't caused the World to get into the mess its currently in 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Not quite true  he wants to change some of the rules, rather than to "rip it up".

A problem has arose due to Nationalists getting a majority and thus something need to change 

Yeah, how dare the voters in the missing countries vote against the unionists.

 

How dare they cause the brexiteers problems. 
 

The deal was signed by johnson and he should honour it. 
 

it is those who lost the vote who want change. 
 

Are you seriously arguing that johnson is right in unilaterally trying to rewrite a deal to appease a minority whose support he needs?

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah, how dare the voters in the missing countries vote against the unionists.

 

How dare they cause the brexiteers problems. 
 

The deal was signed by johnson and he should honour it. 
 

it is those who lost the vote who want change. 
 

Are you seriously arguing that johnson is right in unilaterally trying to rewrite a deal to appease a minority whose support he needs?

Have you been following the story ?

Its quite complex, so could you read up on it , as I don't fully understand it myself .

  Something like the Unionists need to form a collation Government with the opposition and the opposition won't agree to something and so something needs to change .

   But read up about the situation before sabre rattling  .

Boris is seeking change with the E.U so that Northern Ireland can form a united Government 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Boris did manage to come to an agreement in regards to the Irish Border

Yeah which the fat lying To$$pot is now trying to wriggle out of, have a look at duplicitous in the oxford English dictionary they've taken out the text and put in a picture of him

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you been following the story ?

Its quite complex, so could you read up on it , as I don't fully understand it myself .

  Something like the Unionists need to form a collation Government with the opposition and the opposition won't agree to something and so something needs to change .

   But read up about the situation before sabre rattling  .

Boris is seeking change with the E.U so that Northern Ireland can form a united Government 

There is nothing to stop a government forming in the ulster counties except the unionist refusing to allow the formation of such unless they get their way.
 

They are holding the counties hostage by exploiting the constitution set up after The Good Friday Agreement and refusing to take part in the formation of a government. 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Weren't  they fully vaccinated and therefore of little risk ?

There were also many other people who didn't fill abide by the lock-down rules 

No they weren't. I was working with criminals and mental health patients overnight in a halfway house, often alone. None of them complied with any Covid regulations or were interested in vaccines. My job was preventing them from killing each other over theft / drug deals.

Do not dare to question my integrity.  

53 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Country was coming out of lock-down measures as the population were being vaccinated , so those fully vaccinated didnt really have to comply with the regulations , as the regulations would soon be eased when all the rabble got vaccinated  

No, the regulations were still in place.

 

And let’s be clear, several Downing Street Parties held over months throughout periods when lockdowns were in place.

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

No they weren't. I was working with criminals and mental health patients overnight in a halfway house, often alone. None of them complied with any Covid regulations or were interested in vaccines. My job was preventing them from killing each other over theft / drug deals.

Do not dare to question my integrity.  

I wasn't questioning your integrity , you misunderstood . I was talking about Boris Johnson and his Government who were fully vaccinated and therefore it wasn't necessary for them to be so stringent with the covid restrictions 

51 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The UK is in the same mess as the World is . 

The mess has been caused by Covid and the Ukraine war .

Boris having a beer at Christmas hasn't caused the World to get into the mess its currently in 

I was in the Netherlands last week, it’s doing far better than the UK, as is most the developed world:

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/04/the-uk-is-once-again-the-sick-man-of-europe

The UK is suffering high inflation and pitifully low growth.

 

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I wasn't questioning your integrity , you misunderstood . I was talking about Boris Johnson and his Government who were fully vaccinated and therefore it wasn't necessary for them to be so stringent with the covid restrictions 

Can you point to the clause in the lockdown regulations to back up your claim.

 

I suggest you send a link to Johnson too, because he hasn’t been able to make that argument, of course he hasn’t, because it’s a claim based on nothing.

 

Just admit it, he broke the law. (Hence the fine).

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I was in the Netherlands last week, it’s doing far better than the UK, as is most the developed world:

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/04/the-uk-is-once-again-the-sick-man-of-europe

The UK is suffering high inflation and pitifully low growth.

 

^ That is the prediction for 2023 , in 18 months time 

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Th answer to your question , what did they want , they wanted to leave the E.U.

  What did the Brexit voters want ?

They wanted to leave the E.U.

That is the question answered  

I guess that is a typical Brexiter answer. Black or white.

Like a divorce: I want a divorce.

So how about your 3 children and the house and the dog?

I told you I want a divorce.

No thought about any details and not even a though that there are details to work out.

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess that is a typical Brexiter answer. Black or white.

Like a divorce: I want a divorce.

So how about your 3 children and the house and the dog?

I told you I want a divorce.

No thought about any details and not even a though that there are details to work out.

Its not up to the public to work the details out ?

Do you really expect me to study European fishing quotas and form an opinion about which fisherman should be able to  catch which fish and how many ? 

  That's down the the E.U and the U.K to decide

7 hours ago, Thunglom said:

There's an irony here

__________ (user name withheld) accuses everybody who accuses Boris of lying, of lying.

what can we deduce from that?

As is said by the pundits in the US "a scandal is not a politician lying, the scandal is when they tell the truth."

An enlightened poster posted "haters gonna hate" and explained that a hater is someone who does not agree with him.  Conclusion: if you accuse someone of lying it is because you hate them.  Quite simple.  Social media thinking, I suppose.

 

In the years following the Woodstock festival, at nearly every such event there would be a guy who positions himself in a prominent place and dances naked.  It was usually a fat guy who appeared to be under the influence.  That's what I see BoJo as.

 

 

Johnson takes responsibility for lockdown-era Number 10 parties – but won't quit

A "humbled" Boris Johnson said he took full responsibility but would not quit after a damning official report on Wednesday detailed a series of illegal lockdown parties at the British leader's Downing Street office.

 

Johnson has faced repeated calls to resign from opposition politicians and some in his own party over the alcohol-fuelled gatherings, after it was revealed that he and officials had broken Covid-19 rules that all but banned people from socialising outside their households.

 

"I ... am humbled and I have learned a lesson," Prime Minister Johnson told parliament, saying he would not quit over the scandal.

 

(more)

 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220525-partygate-report-blames-leadership-for-illegal-parties-at-boris-johnson-s-office

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you really expect me to study ...

No, I certainly do not expect that from you.

12 hours ago, baboon said:

Remind us which Kremlin stooge granted a peerage to the son of a KGB agent against the advice of the security services?

 

Which folk are concentrating on "a couple of beers" other than the Mail and other such right wing rags?

The House of Commons....

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although in the U.K. living in poverty can be families that earn less than 40 000 GBP per year

I think newer days it's those who haven't got a smart phone....????

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No, I certainly do not expect that from you.

OK , so what is your opinion on E.U /UK fishing quoters and who should be allowed to catch which fish and where ?

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And did they want to leave the common market and the custom union?

Did they even know what that is and did they have an idea of the consequences?

Exactly which part/institution/laws from the EU did they want to leave? Or Boris style: They wanted to keep all the good things but they didn't understand that it's a package. You can't just pick the cherries. 

As Jonathan Pie explained ........

Most of the British poor were tired of the way things were and wanted change.

A vote to stay was a vote for everything to remain as it was.

A vote to leave was a vote for something to change.

 

Britain always opted out of any EU laws designed to help the poor.

I would have liked to see Blair and Thatcher tried in an EU court for their war crimes.

I would have liked to have bought a retirement home in France.

Not to mention an EU state pension.

So for me I would have voted to remain ...... if I had a vote which I didn't.

 

I don't feel the current problems are due to Brexit, but due to COVID restrictions.

And wonder what would have happened if the Brit government had just treated COVID as Flu ..................

Let's face it we all caught COVID no matter how many vaccinations we had or what restrictions they imposed.

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It says absolutely nothing about the pandemic and the necessity for lockdowns/isolations and everything about the sense of entitlement of Johnson and his cronies.

It wasn't just Johnson though was it? Starmer, Sturgeon all broke the rules. The focus on Johnson by the likes of the BBC and the hardcore lefties is political.

 

Why would they all risk breaking these life saving, essential rules (when they thought the cameras were off) when they'd seen the data and knew how "lethal" this thing was? Are they simply pre-disposed to taking unnecessary high risk? Suicidal? Or were the risks exaggerated and the lock down measures unnecessarily harsh?

33 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

OK , so what is your opinion on E.U /UK fishing quoters and who should be allowed to catch which fish and where ?

In real life the fishing rights are about the least important issues. They are good for headlines and people talking a lot but at the end of the day they are not important.

Being part of the custom union and single market are very important issues. And nobody asked the UK public in a referendum about those. Boris and others told everybody there will be only upsides and it will be the easiest trade agreement ever. And then, after years, they came up with what they have now, what Boris called oven ready deal. And of course soon after it was signed he blamed the EU again for sticking to the EU rules.

 

Can we expect from the public to think about all the details? No. Should we expect that they think at least about the most important issues? Absolutely.

And what else must happen before Tory MPs decide to get rid of their incompetent lying PM?

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

In real life the fishing rights are about the least important issues. They are good for headlines and people talking a lot but at the end of the day they are not important.

Being part of the custom union and single market are very important issues. And nobody asked the UK public in a referendum about those. Boris and others told everybody there will be only upsides and it will be the easiest trade agreement ever. And then, after years, they came up with what they have now, what Boris called oven ready deal. And of course soon after it was signed he blamed the EU again for sticking to the EU rules.

 

Can we expect from the public to think about all the details? No. Should we expect that they think at least about the most important issues? Absolutely.

And what else must happen before Tory MPs decide to get rid of their incompetent lying PM?

You're not a Conservative, then...?   ????

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, transam said:

You're not a Conservative, then...?   ????

Does it matter?

Independent from left or right I think we should all expect from any leader to care about the country and the people.

If a PM lies all the time should only the opposition demand his resignation? I think everybody should do their best to get rid of a lying leader. Vote for a competent and honest person. That is beneficial for everybody. 

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Vote for a competent and honest person. That is beneficial for everybody. 

Sadly, none are never offered as candidates.

42 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Being part of the custom union and single market are very important issues.

I would suggest that every country tries to be entirely self-sufficient.

No immigration at all especially not refugees, limited foreign spouse only (and them required to leave on divorce/separation)

 

Then there is no need for custom unions or single markets, where essentially everything is made in the 3rd world, imported and rebadged as local.

7 hours ago, bendejo said:

In the years following the Woodstock festival, at nearly every such event there would be a guy who positions himself in a prominent place and dances naked.  It was usually a fat guy who appeared to be under the influence.  That's what I see BoJo as

Wish i'd had my breakfast before that image was shared ????????????

58 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It wasn't just Johnson though was it? Starmer, Sturgeon all broke the rules. The focus on Johnson by the likes of the BBC and the hardcore lefties is political.

 

Why would they all risk breaking these life saving, essential rules (when they thought the cameras were off) when they'd seen the data and knew how "lethal" this thing was? Are they simply pre-disposed to taking unnecessary high risk? Suicidal? Or were the risks exaggerated and the lock down measures unnecessarily harsh?

Where is the evidence Starmer broke the rules?

29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Does it matter?

Independent from left or right I think we should all expect from any leader to care about the country and the people.

If a PM lies all the time should only the opposition demand his resignation? I think everybody should do their best to get rid of a lying leader. Vote for a competent and honest person. That is beneficial for everybody. 

"Vote for a competent and honest leader", don't make me laugh, now you go through the previous UK leaders list and come back with your "Honest & Competent" leaders.

 

And what about a shadow leader and sidekick supporting terrorist groups,

Corbyn & Co.  ?.........????

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The UK is in the same mess as the World is . 

The mess has been caused by Covid and the Ukraine war .

Boris having a beer at Christmas hasn't caused the World to get into the mess its currently in 

The UK is in the same mess as the World is. But the World is not in the same mess that the UK is.